Re: Attn: Dr. Legume (Crossdressers Sex Question cont.)

From: "Rev. Edward Strange" <strange@enter.net>

nu-monet wrote:
>
> This letter just bespoke to me of Dr. Legume.
> Followed by several pages bdout a transvestite and his cats that nobody here cares about.

?!?!?!?!
I never cease to understand the insistance to refer to male
transvestites as "she". These same people tend to be very long-winded,
repetitive and overly sensitive. These are just the sort of people who
will have their backs to the wall when the revolution comes.
The concept of any behavior being OK based on the personal feelings of
the participants has become the central idea of a whole new generation
of whiners. This philosophy ignores how those outside this sphere of
self-delusion may react to their behavior and leaves them unprepared for
the "grim meathook realities" that lurk behind the face of every
stranger.
Wheather it's cross-dressing or wearing 100 spoons on their heads,
these people seem surprised when people like me call them a fucking
idiot to their face. Just because up like to dress up like a girl
doesn't make you one. I can not and will not think of you as such. Nor
should anyone else with a free mind. The free thinking thing to do is to
address the reality of all things and not mollycoddle the personal
insecurities of others at the expense of being honest with ourselves.
Sory but this type of shit pisses me off.
This goes for all of those slugs who trully believed that the saucers
would show up. Don't be upset that the world didn't end, BECAUSE FOR YOU
IT DID!! I saw your faces and heard your lame attempts to explain away
the non-event as a spiritual happening. You put your faith in a pipe
dream and had it crushed by full frontal reality. You were all little
boys wearing skirts pretending to be girls. Sooner or later you catch
yourself peeing while standing up and have to wrap yourself in another
layer of self denial.
The only people amongst you who have managed to gain my respect are
those who didn't spend my time trying to convince me that they were
something they weren't. Unfortunately, it's a very short list. Those
luck enough to be on it have a friend in the grim three dimentional
world of cold reality. The rest of you can piss on each other and tell
yourselves it's raining in your one dimensional storefront western
cutout town.

Rev. Edward Strange Esq.
Voodoo Priest of Reality

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From: "Rev. Edward Strange" <strange@enter.net>

>
> Your reality is ugly and dogmatic,lets all work
> together and build a new one.

Bingo, only thing is, it's not MY reality. It's the fact that people
THINK they can build their own reality that I find incredibly naive.
There is a whole big world out there that you have to deal with sooner
or later. This is not dogmatic, this is nature. It exists to be enjoyed.
Enjoyed through pleasure, pain, love, hurt, harmony and conflict.

Dogma is an invention of week men who can not come to terms with the
world they live in. The idea that we should all work together at
anything is repugnant to me. What could be more boring. Let me guess, in
this new reality you want to build everyone loves everyone else, there
is no more war and disease and shit no longer stinks.

Life is very hard, and it is very real. I'm very sorry you feel you have
to hide from it by inventing your own realities.

Yeah well, you're all hopelessly doomed.

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From: twgs@whatsthepoint.net (Jahweh Lynch)

>In article <35BB705F.528C@enter.net>,
> "Rev. Edward Strange" <strange@enter.net> wrote:

>> Whether it's cross-dressing or wearing 100 spoons on their heads,
>> these people seem surprised when people like me call them a fucking
>> idiot to their face.

You never called me a fucking idiot to my face. You waited until two weeks
later in a Usenet post I didn't even bother to read to call me a fucking
idiot. I find that kind of funny.

I also find it funny for a SubGenius to take so much interest in the way
other conduct their lives. Somebody wants to live as a chick, what harm
does it do you? If I didn't know better, I'd think your SEXUALITY was
being threatened, Ed. I mean, let me get this straight. You're a fucking
idiot for living as a woman, but believing flying saucers are going to
arrive and take us all off into space is perfectly sane. Believing that if
you get indignant and angry enough you will forge a new world in your image
is perfectly sane. Holding a "Battle of Armageddon" that lasts half an
hour that is centered around a skinny middle-aged guy covered in bubble
wrap is utterly rational. This goes BEYOND a glass house situation.

We have two important mottos in this Church. One is, of course, "Fuck 'em
if they can't take a joke". Two is "Pull the wool over your own eyes."
YOUR OWN eyes, Ed. Your wool doesn't fit over my eyes- the spoons get in
the way.

I appreciate your valuation of physical reality. It's important to me,
too. Too many people in this world go around acting as if we didn't have
bodies. I don't think Lil is one of those people. IMO, you're going
beyond acknowledgment of physical reality. Your apparent belief that we
are defined by our bodies is one thing, but the corrolary that those bodies
are themselves immutable goes against everything this Church stands for. A
man is more than a penis, a woman more than a vagina. Quite frankly, I
find Lil to be more female than many humans who happen to have cunts. If
all you can do is stare and point at genital organs, I'd say you have a lot
to learn about sex.

--
"Marry a rat or a dog late in life. Avoid monkeys."
- My Chinese Fortune (oh by the way remove whats to email)
JIGGY WEEK: http://www.thepoint.net/~twgs/jiggy/jiggy.htm

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From: "Rev. Edward Strange" <strange@enter.net>

Steve Slack wrote:
>
> In article <35BB705F.528C@enter.net>,
> "Rev. Edward Strange" <strange@enter.net> wrote:
>
> > > The concept of any behavior being OK based on the personal feelings of
> > > the participants has become the central idea of a whole new generation
> > > of whiners. This philosophy ignores how those outside this sphere of
> > > self-delusion may react to their behavior and leaves them unprepared for
> > > the "grim meathook realities" that lurk behind the face of every
> > > stranger.
> > > Wheather it's cross-dressing or wearing 100 spoons on their heads,
> > > these people seem surprised when people like me call them a fucking
> > > idiot to their face.
>
> I know a whole bunch of guys who actually believe they are musicians!
> They can't sing, have no rhythm, and it's painful to watch them
> perform! Yet they have a 'support group' of equally pathetic
> slacker dweebs who think that these whack-offs are being true
> to the 'alternative' aesthetic, and get them booked at coffee-
> houses and art galleries. Every time I'd post a flyer looking for
> bandmates these clowns would show up panting at my door.
>
> When pretentions self-delusion becomes the modus operandi of
> waves upon waves of people, it makes me wonder where we're headed.
>
> terrygibson@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > Your reality is ugly and dogmatic,lets all work
> > together and build a new one.
>
> Yeah, let's write a song about it! A real rousing Springsteen/
> Melloncamp number that will sing ear candy and tell people what
> they desparately want to hear and give them unrealistic hopes.
> Then we'll take their money and build a paradise for ourselves.
>
> It's amazing how some people can still take in oxygen when
> their heads are permanently affixed in the sand.

Bravo, someone gets it. And if you don't get it, you'll never have it.

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From: p-lil@ZubJenius.com (Popess Lilith von Fraumench)

On the eve of Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:54:09 GMT, in the Temple of
<35ce5299.11356238@news.newsguy.com>, twgs@whatsthepoint.net bellowed forth
across the wasteland:
>
>I totally agree with your stance here. What I disagree with is your
>judgment that Lil is somehow failing to do this.

Thanks for defending me, Dave, but Edward never mentioned me by name. If he has
a problem with me I'll expect him to address the problem up-front, honestly,
directly, and with a little courage. As long as he prefers to troll, I'll let
him do so--he needs the practice.

P.Lil

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From: "Dr.Legume" <drlegume@bellatlantic.net>

Goddammit, since my name is for some reason attached to this thread, I'm
gonna chuck in my two cents worth.

If P-lil can be a girl and still have a dick (or be a boy with a pussy)
then I damn well can climb on the bandwagon.

For years, I always felt different from the other guys. I especially
felt really wierd taking showers with guys in gym class. Today I
realized why.

It's because I am a Steamboat. Toot! Toot!
And don't you fucking DARE say I'm NOT.
--
Dr."Cortez" Legume

Looking for the New World
and the Palace of the Sun

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From: "Rev. Edward Strange" <strange@enter.net>

Jahweh Lynch wrote:
>

>
> You never called me a fucking idiot to my face. You waited until two weeks
> later in a Usenet post I didn't even bother to read to call me a fucking
> idiot. I find that kind of funny.
>

To clarify, It was G. Gordon Gordon who hit you with a hillarious "What
the fuck are you supposed to be" speech. It was in front of my tent, you
came walking down the road, Gordon gave you both barrels while myself
and the Rabbi rolled on the ground laughing at your clueless slackjawed
response. Sorry I couldn't get around to admonishing everyone
personally, but I had a very busy weekend.

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From: "Rev. Edward Strange" <strange@enter.net>

Jahweh Lynch wrote:

> I also find it funny for a SubGenius to take so much interest in the way
> other conduct their lives. Somebody wants to live as a chick, what harm
> does it do you? If I didn't know better, I'd think your SEXUALITY was
> being threatened, Ed. I mean, let me get this straight. You're a fucking
> idiot for living as a woman, but believing flying saucers are going to
> arrive and take us all off into space is perfectly sane. Believing that if
> you get indignant and angry enough you will forge a new world in your image
> is perfectly sane. Holding a "Battle of Armageddon" that lasts half an
> hour that is centered around a skinny middle-aged guy covered in bubble
> wrap is utterly rational. This goes BEYOND a glass house situation.
>

Try solid titanium. Since when was touchy feely PC doctrine a part of
this church. People with extreme gender confusion are stupid. People who
truly thought UFOs would save them are stupid. Thinking you can bully
the world into behaving the way you see fit is stupid. And if you
thought that 'The Battle of Armagrddon'tm was biblical prophesy come
true and not just a bunch of folk having themselves an old fashoned
throwdown for shits and giggles is a true dumbass.

I just call them as I see them. If I comment on the stupidity around me,
it's not because I feel threatened in any way, it because the stupidity
of others is humorous to me. The monkeys make me laugh. As far as naming
names goes, I choose not to do it in a public forum. That would be
making it personal. I'm not interested in that. Not only am not that
sort of a malicious person, but I don't care enough about what you may
think about me to take it to that level.

If my observations happen to apply to you, yeah well.

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From: gggor@io.com (G. G. Gordon)

On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:49:58 -0400, "Rev. Edward Strange"
<strange@enter.net> wrote:

>To clarify, It was G. Gordon Gordon who hit you with a hillarious "What
>the fuck are you supposed to be" speech. It was in front of my tent, you
>came walking down the road, Gordon gave you both barrels while myself
>and the Rabbi rolled on the ground laughing at your clueless slackjawed
>response. Sorry I couldn't get around to admonishing everyone
>personally, but I had a very busy weekend.

Hey I never called him a fucking idiot, I merely asked what the fuck
was wrong with him for wearing that hat...I was only funning the lad,
I thought he took it well for someone with spoons all over their
head...but he certainly didn'y offend me and despite my less than
subtly altered mental state I don't think I was too mean!!!
and how the fuck did i get into this thread, p-lil gimme some
ammo!!!
Grab life by the lapels and scream in its face if you want to get anywhere!

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From: twgs@whatsthepoint.net (Jahweh Lynch)

Thus spake Dr.Legume:

>You dumbass, that whole Battle thing was MY idea, not Strange's. And it
>wasnt "centered around a skinny middle-aged guy covered in bubble
>wrap", it was centered around a whole bunch of folks having FUN.

I have ceased to understand this thread. I mean to say, I am not no HIPPIE
or pot-smoker or anything, I shave EVERY DAY and I have THREE DIFFERENT
KINDS OF DEODORANT in my bathroom, but people who come up to lecture me
about my lecturing them about their lectures about what IS and IS NOT SEX
and by the way we don't take kindly to the way you DRESS, plus also do you
have change for a dollar for the copy machine? makes significantly less
sense to me than some guy coming up to me on the bus and telling me how the
Orientals are behind it all and how President Nixon ought to throw them out
on their butts. In German. I understand that you are saying vaguely
derogatory things about me or that you are telling me that you are so much
better than me because of a long list 50 items long that starts with
1) I have sex with a beautiful woman I love every day
2) I like my penis
3) I do not now nor have I ever believed in flying saucers, Senator
4) I own a gun and know how to use it
....
and goes all the way down to
50) and I don't wear any of those damn stupid hats, neither!
but then I SAY
1) Yeah but how did you score on the NEGATIVLAND SEX TEST
2) I do not know much about penises or sex and maybe I am some sort of
pervert or something but I do not know why it is so much better to put your
tongue in some girls mouth than to put it in some girls ear because for
example (e.g.) have you ever heard of someone having bad EAR BREATH or
taking ear mints? All you have to worry about with ears is ear wax and I
used to eat my ear wax when I was a kid and it didn't really taste all that
bad, and I don't know why putting your penis in some girls cunt 3x a day is
so much better than dressing up in a french maid outfit and sitting in her
lap for five hours while you watch "Dr Who" or walking around naked on
stilts in a rainstorm and I am GLAD you like your penis but things are a
little bit different for me.
3) Is it better to believe that Mad Max was a documentary or that Space is
the Place is a documentary? I think that is a silly question.
4) Guns do not make me happy because if I had one I would shoot myself in
the head one day because I am self-obsessed and also an introvert, and
maybe you would like that but I wouldn't, and maybe you think that this
also proves that you are a better person than me and maybe you are going to
add a 51) to your list right now, and that would make me confused again
because I am not really sure what is wrong with having weaknesses and
knowing about them.
....
and all the way down to
50) No response. I do not know what it is with you and the hat. You win.
You are better than me because I wear a funny hat.
..so but apart from that you are as alien to me as the lady who came up to
me and screamed bloody murder because she had a LATE FEE of SEVEN DOLLARS
for books totalling probably $500 that she got to read FREE and why didn't
we send her NOTICES IN THE MAIL and CALL HER WITH VIGOR AND VIM my god can
you imagine if the ARMY was run this way they'd be in JAIL and I pay your
SALARY, BUDDY! And since they would OFFICIALLY or unofficially REPRIMAND
me if I said "You know, I do not understand why you are so angry about
this. The funding for this library was appropriated in 1899. You have had
100 years to figure out that there is a fine on books returned late. We
put these nice little blue cards in each and every book to remind you when
to return them. Are you a) suffering from a false sense of entitlement, b)
transferring your anger at yourself for having "failed" in your societal
responsibilities to the person responsible for informing you of the
consequences or c) merely delusional?" and since, in a refreshing change
from most of the past jobs I have worked, I am not paid to take abuse, I
merely repeated the mantra "Would you like to talk to my supervisor?" I
would have put on a fake smile, too, but I don't really know how to do
those, and when she left took a 15-minute break and meditated (52. Actually
believes in meditation).

Actually, never mind, because now I think I understand her, but I am not
going to delete that paragraph because I rather liked it, and even though
it doesn't have a damned thing to do with the rest of this post the rest of
this post doesn't have a damned thing to do with very much at all, so it
can stay where it is. The point is, I completely fail to understand why
most people are the way they are, and no, I do not particularly understand
why somebody with a penis would want to be a woman, either, not really, but
I do not let it bother me. I find it a lot easier understanding that than
understanding why people think Tom Hanks is such a great actor. Every time
I see Tom Hanks on TV or in pictures, I think, "Oh, there's Tom Hanks". If
he was really a good actor, I wouldn't think that. Well, maybe you know a
lot more about other people than I do and thus can afford to get bothered
when people do things you don't understand.

Either I am extremely Slackful, or extremely stupid. I'd leave it for
y'all to decide, but it looks like you folks already have, one way or the
other.

--
"Marry a rat or a dog late in life. Avoid monkeys."
- My Chinese Fortune (oh by the way remove whats to email)
JIGGY WEEK: http://www.thepoint.net/~twgs/jiggy/jiggy.htm

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