Subject: Re: ATTN: Subgenius Jan Michael Vincent fans!

From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack

In article <3D81ACF5.7040701@yahoo.com>, El Queso
<the_cheese_23@yahoo.com> wrote:
> nenslo wrote:
> > El Queso wrote:
> >
> >>You can hear The El Queso Allstars new tribute song: "Jan Michael
> >>Wifebeater" at http://www.indielaunch.com/crotchless - it is a loving
> >>tribute to our favorite fallen fuck. You can also hear our loving ode to
> >>Willie Aames - "Willie jerks it".
> >
> > Are these wrestling guys or something?
>
> We wrestle meat and baggage only, and strictly as amateurs. We wear no
> masks or trunks. We are not affiliated with any league or organisation.
> So the answer is no - we are not wrestlers, we are or musicoids
> something. We will write a deathmetal anthem just for your nipples, Nenslo.
> Qieso

I think Nenslo might have been asking if Jan Michael Vincent and Willie
Aames are wresters. Probably he's only a spotty reader of tabloid
headlines and a nonwatcher of shows about shows and is sorely in need
of modern pop star gossip education. Gossip tabloids are about the only
newspapers I read at all lately so I knew Jan Michael Vincent was an
actor or a singer. I never heard of Willie Aames myself though. People
have been telling me that a Dobbshead appears on an MTV rock video with
Jennifer Love Hewitt (sp?), and my wife had to explain to me that she
was a TV star who also sings.

If you don't work in an office, and don't drive a lot listening to
commercial radio, you get like me -- pretty clueless regarding modern
day pop stars. In an ivory tower of decrepit crumbling bulldada.
However, one retains the useless knowledge of Olden Day pop stars and
badfilm actors and so on. I'd wager that there are certain areas of
badfilm and shitpop history where the Assassinated Nenmaster Nenslo
could teach a college course, not that that's anything to be proud of.

If I could erase all the high res scans of old Famous Monsters
magazines and crappy acid rock tunes from my brain to make way for new,
classy memories, or to turn it into RAM, man, I'd be, like, smart
again.

Regardless of their song topics, which I understand only about half the
time. I am a fan of The El Queso All Star's lilting music and lovely
melodies, and the spazzy yet comprehensible singing style of the
elusive Queso Marteen himself. The new Dobbssongs albums and Hours of
Slack are littered with their original contributions. Their songs about
Scientology are very funny. Their romantic song about a mustache is
featured on the "Love Theme" Hour of Slack in progress if I ever turn
off this fucking newsreader and get on with my life.

I would be excited by the prospect of a Nenslo-El Queso artistic
collaboration or steel cage death match, either one.

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Subject: Re: ATTN: Subgenius Jan Michael Vincent fans!
From: El Queso <the_cheese_23@yahoo.com>

Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench wrote:
> In article <130920021423103789%stang@subgenius.com>, Rev. Ivan Stang
> <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:
> >
>>I never heard of Willie Aames myself though.
>>
> The guy with the blonde afro on "Eight Is Enough," now making his money
> as the legendary BIBLEMAN!!! Dude, you should've read that magazine I
> auctioned off at X-Day. Bummer.

Thanks you for understanding who Willie Aames is. In the song "Willie
jerks it" - we list all of his different names - including his real one
- William Upton.
For those of you unfamiliar with Jan Michael Vincent - he was the guy
on Airwolf who wasn't Ernest Borgnine. He was in lots of loser-trucker
movies with guys like Chris Kristofferson.

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Subject: Re: Why I am so iggerunt
From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sun, Sep 15, 2002 12:14 AM
Message-ID: <3D84092E.6FBFF7B1@yahooX.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>
> In article <3D82E625.6990B113@yahooX.com>, nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>
> wrote:
> > > Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench wrote:
> > > In article <130920021423103789%stang@subgenius.com>, Rev. Ivan Stang
> > > <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I never heard of Willie Aames myself though.
> > >
> > > The guy with the blonde afro on "Eight Is Enough," now making his money
> > > as the legendary BIBLEMAN!!! Dude, you should've read that magazine I
> > > auctioned off at X-Day. Bummer.
> >
> > Okay, Eight is Enough I know is like the previous version of Seventh
> > Heaven or something and some wretched people get all excited when they
> > see somebody that was on it. I just never even MET anyone who watched it.
> >
> > Lemme tell ya a little story. I don't care if you heard it before.
> > See I knew this guy once, pretty nice guy a few years older than me,
> > and we were just talking, see. And I make some kind of witty in-jokey
> > reference to some TV show or some guy that was one some TV show, and
> > it goes right past him. I just figured everybody knew that, you know.
> > So I explain to him it was a subtle pop culture reference to this TV
> > show that used to be on the TV, right? And he says, "Oh, that must
> > have been during the time I was living in a cave in India for eight
> > years." And that's the moment I first realized that to make hip
> > injokes about old TV shows may not be the optimum use of one's life.
>
> That's funny -- the way I heard this story, from another SubGenius, you
> were the one who hadn't seen the show in question because you had been
> in a cave in _____(Nensloland), and you BAWLED OUT the witty-in-joker
> for asuming you would know of his stupid show. (The show was Twin
> Peaks, I think.) Maybe that is ANOTHER story, preseumably dated after
> your epiphany re: old TV shows.

Actually, your recollection is slightly colored by time and
intervening events. THAT story was that I spent an hour or so having
lunch with people who talked about nothing but a particular television
show. Since I had never seen that television show I could not
contribute to the conversation and did not understand a single thing
they were saying. When I confessed that I was entirely ignorant of
the topic, they began insisting that I must think they were EXTREMELY
STUPID for being so into a television show, and I was confused and
amazed at their assumption. Repeated insistence that I was doing
nothing more than avowing my own lack of knowledge on a topic which
clearly must have some value since they were so avid in discussing it
failed to dissuade them from the assumption that I, the ignorant one,
somehow felt superior to them, the knowledgable ones. I am STILL
baffled by that.

I think that an encyclopedic knowledge of any aspect of culture can be
a fascinating pastime, but topical culture (like songs or jokes about
celebrities) remains valid for only a very short time, and requires
the audience to have a certain knowledge base. Since I want my work
to remain of interest and effective for more than just a few months or
years I strive for universality and to delete most topical references
which could be confusing or detrimental to the audience of any future
date.

The fact that I am unaware of the meaning of references in certain
forms of topical culture does not indicate that I disregard its use or
validity. Topical culture is valid and useful, just like a paper cup.
I know a good online source for sheet music of songs written for the
presidential campaign of James G. Blaine.

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Subject: CORRECTION! was Re: Why I am so iggerunt
From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>

>nenslo wrote:
>> "Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> >
> > That's funny -- the way I heard this story, from another SubGenius, you
> > were the one who hadn't seen the show in question because you had been
> > in a cave in _____(Nensloland), and you BAWLED OUT the witty-in-joker
> > for asuming you would know of his stupid show. (The show was Twin
> > Peaks, I think.) Maybe that is ANOTHER story, preseumably dated after
> > your epiphany re: old TV shows.
>
> Actually, your recollection is slightly colored by time and
> intervening events.

Excuse me. I mis-thought. You were not recalling it incorrectly, I
am sure, but you were told the story by one of the persons referred to
below.

> THAT story was that I spent an hour or so having
> lunch with people who talked about nothing but a particular television
> show. Since I had never seen that television show I could not
> contribute to the conversation and did not understand a single thing
> they were saying. When I confessed that I was entirely ignorant of
> the topic, they began insisting that I must think they were EXTREMELY
> STUPID for being so into a television show, and I was confused and
> amazed at their assumption. Repeated insistence that I was doing
> nothing more than avowing my own lack of knowledge on a topic which
> clearly must have some value since they were so avid in discussing it
> failed to dissuade them from the assumption that I, the ignorant one,
> somehow felt superior to them, the knowledgable ones. I am STILL
> baffled by that.

I stand by this version as factual. This is not the only time that my
serious statement that I knew nothing about a topic of interest to
others, or that I had somehow failed in my earnest efforts to
understand and appreciate a subject of great interest to many other
people, was treated as sarcasm and derision and a proclamation of
personal superiority to the subject in question and to other people in
general, to my sincere astonishment.

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Subject: Re: Why I am so iggerunt Re: ATTN: Subgenius Jan Michael Vincent fans!
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

I've never seen a single minute of Seinfeld either.

Oh. That wasn't your point.

Well, I look forward to the time when everybody else is like me.

But YOU can't be, because I HAVE seen Mork and Mindy.

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