Thread About Hate, Man and Nature

Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.slack.sputum
From: poserunderground@hotmail.com (Dr.Legume)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999

"bobprts.gif" below by Fred C. Dobbs

In article <7sreej$sjq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, HellPope Huey <Hueykins@troi.csw.net> wrote:

> Now THAT'd be a MASSIVE fuck of a note, me and Legume in agreement on the
>FINAL Final Solution. I'll end up helpin' Hitler paint roses on the walls of
>Hell yet. Ellison Wonderland, yee "Bob!"

Boy, Huey, are YOU behind the times! Haven't you heard? I've renounced my
former Homocaustal ways, those guys have issues...as well as Rough-boy Nazi
fetishes that I just can't relate to. Sure, I was caught up in the blood-vibe
of my Volsung forefathers...but that's WAAAY different from these "lets dress
as stormtroopers and spank each other" weirdness that Pee-Joe Mama and his
Heinie-boys were into.

I'm a NEW MAN, Huey, a kinder, gentler Legume, a man who's discoved the value
of being on the good side of the faction that holds all of the true power; I'm
speaking, of course, of the WOMEN.

As for the Final Solution...well Huey, after closely examining the
incredibly complex behavioral patterns of the naked apes, I've come to the
realization that the End they have created for themselves is FAR more
insidious than any I've contemplated. Why waste a bullet on a man who's about
to take a 100 story swan dive into a wood chipper anyway?

And therein lies the SLACK. To watch your enemies die by their own hand is
MUCH more entertaining than doing it yourself. After all, you only have two
hands? Do you REALLY think it's worth putting down your left-hand beer and
right-hand fropstick just to give some SHAVED CHIMP a death that's more
merciful than they deserve?

Shit, man, why buck the wheel of Karma? As Mr.Mojo Risin once said, "let it
roll, baby, roll...all night long!".

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Dr. K. "Cortez" Legume

Looking for the New World
and the Palace in the Sun

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From: Kÿfffff6 <xenuxenuNOxeSPAM@netzero.com.invalid>

In article <7sreej$sjq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, HellPope Huey
<Hueykins@troi.csw.net> wrote:
> In article
> <254d6108.fcc5475f@usw-ex0108-060.remarq.com>,
> Kÿfffff6 <xenuxenuNOxeSPAM@netzero.com.invalid>
> wrote:

> Well, I think Papa Joe has an answer for that tidy
> conundrum! Besides, in
> Texas, they'd shoot the shit out of a whole MESS of
> 'em, just for the
> practice. I'm still kinda proud to be a native Texian;
> its the only damned
> state with the proper BALLS to run Death Row fux
> through the chute like it
> was a 7-11 checkout line.
> I mean, DAMN, when some guy is caught with his
> daughter's panties in his
> shirt pocket and his wife's intestines in a bucket in
> the trunk, how much
> snap do you need to see what the Right Thing To Do
> might be? And we pay
> between $14k and $50k a year to HOUSE these monsters!
> C'mon, ain't nobody seen how cheap shotgun shells
> are at F-Mart these
> days?! "Bob" help me, I AM becoming a Holocaustal!
> Guess its time to send
> Papa Joe some bucks in addition to my Church $30. I
> may be going crazier
> than ANY of us might have dreamed possible...!
> Now THAT'd be a MASSIVE fuck of a note, me and
> Legume in agreement on the
> FINAL Final Solution. I'll end up helpin' Hitler
> paint roses on the walls of
> Hell yet. Ellison Wonderland, yee "Bob!"
> HellPope Huey, Look OUT, He's Got A BRAIN!!! Sort of.
> "Not every gift is a blessing." - "The Sixth Sense"

Yesterday, I had a bit of conversation with a woman
who has seemed to have become some kind of fundie.
She's all wound up about the proposed microchip implant
thing, claiming that it was all predicted in Revelations
and you can't do business with out the mark of the beast.
I reckon it ain't no different than tagging cattle.
What will likely happen is that there will be areas
that will require chips, and those that don't.

I have seen parts of Philadelphia, Washington, LA,
Detroit, Chicago, etc., that look like war zones.
I miss frontier justice: if you catch a horsethief,
hang 'em. No muss, no fuss. New Orleans passed a law
in response to carjackings, if someone touches your
car with you in it, you can shoot them. Sure cuts
down on the squeegie guys.

The punishment ought to fit the crime. They could
sell tickets to defray the cost of executions.

Immigration could just set-up big bug zapper
along the border to discourage wetbacks. One guy
said that if the Mexicans like being in America so
much, we ought to annex everything to the Panama Canal
and save them the trip.

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From: Peter Hipwell <petehip@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>

Sister Decadence wrote:
>

> In saving these people, we are screwing with what Nature would
> ordinarily do, which is HAVE THEM DIE. This is something that
> disurbs me. Perhaps it's why the planet keeps coming up with
> mutating virii, so that it can try to continue the natural balance
> of these that we keep interfering with!
>

If something is "natural", that does not mean it is "good". Black holes
are "natural". Having the entire planet sucked into a black
hole would be perfectly "natural". This may be a bad example, as
some wizened misanthropes might regard that scenario as "good". However,
we may safely ignore them, as they are idiots.

The fact that "these people" are "saved" is all Gnature's fault for
letting us evolve these big brains that (hopefully) let us do stuff
that makes life less fucking miserable. If instead of that big brain
I had only a tiny brain, I would agree with you. Except that I'd
probably be too busy whimpering and scavenging for rotting berries.

The planet doesn't "do" anything. Organisms mutate. Organisms evolve.
There is no conscious agency behind it. There is no invisible hand
that enforces some kind of "natural balance" (a phrase which makes me
think of commercials for high-fibre breakfast cereal made out of
celery).

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From: revjack <revjack@radix.net>
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.slack.sputum

Sister Decadence explains it all:

: No, no, I didn't mean it as such. The "invisible hand" IS nature. I
:think we took nature and warped it.

PEOPLE are NATURAL.

ARGH

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On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:31:21 GMT, decadence@subgenius.com (Sister
Decadence) wrote:

>On 29 Sep 1999 16:49:36 GMT, revjack <revjack@radix.net> wrote:
>
>>Sister Decadence explains it all:
>>
>>: No, no, I didn't mean it as such. The "invisible hand" IS nature. I
>>:think we took nature and warped it.
>>
>>PEOPLE are NATURAL.
>
> Big DUH to that. Read what I said above...that's what this is about.
>
>

Uhnless you think about it pretty carefully, popular culture since the
Romantic poets at least tends to make you think of "Nature" as something
"good" over here, and "manmade/technological" as something "bad" over
there, but people are NATURAL ORGANISMS and it looks to me like people
produce technological stuff as naturally as blue-green algae produce
oxygen or termites produce mounds.

NATURAL ("Good") UNNATURAL ("Bad")

Birds People
Flowers Billboard Advertising
Trees High tension power lines
Bunnies Horrible Little Yappy Dogs
Bird Nests Big Buildings with Air Conditioning
Badger Sets Airports
Prairie Dog Towns Suburbia
Termite Mounds Slash & Burn Agriculture
Stromatolites Solid Waste Landfills
Algae Blooms Wine
Red Tide Bread
Black Plague Cheese
Salmonella Prozac
e. coli Corn (maize)
Typhus Wheat
Leprosy Beer
Great White Sharks RottWeilers

--
Jim the Dead Guy

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From: nospamum@radix.net

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:20:48 GMT, jimvan@gate.net (Jim Vandewalker)
wrote:

>Uhnless you think about it pretty carefully, popular culture since the
>Romantic poets at least tends to make you think of "Nature" as something
>"good" over here, and "manmade/technological" as something "bad" over
>there, but people are NATURAL ORGANISMS and it looks to me like people
>produce technological stuff as naturally as blue-green algae produce
>oxygen or termites produce mounds.

Yah. I once had a "friend" who trained a bear to shit in my house.
Claimed it was "natural." I said "NOT IF HE'S WEARING FUCKING GOLF
SHOES, YOU IDIOT."

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From: HellPope Huey <Hueykins@troi.csw.net>

Frop GOOD, snorting DMT crystals at the beginning of a long bus trip BAD!
Also, trying to piss into a gagsome shithole bus bathroom at 4 a.m. while
its rockin' down a 2-lane backwater at 60 BAD. REAL bad.

While I DO prefer indoor toilets to open-ditch latrines in mid-summer, the
main prob with technology is that a) its run by IDIOTS and b) its all too
often used to piss on Nature.

And pundits wonder why we're headin' into the terlet at Mach 12.... I'd
rather try to impregnate an elephant with a sperm-soaked mop as a turkey
baster.

HellPope Huey
Good, Bad, Fuggit; I Still Have To Do Dishes
Or Eat From Foil Gravy Boats For A Week

Brought to you by Uncle "Bob's" Breakfast Bazooties!
The sausage treat made OF humans, BY humans, FOR humans!

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From: Peter Hipwell <petehip@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>
>
> >Sister Decadence wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> No, no, I didn't mean it as such. The "invisible hand" IS nature.
> >> I think we took nature and warped it.
> >>
> >
> >Please elaborate, I'm interested. How did we warp it? What effects
> >does warping it have?
>
> As I mentioned previously. About not letting nature take it's
> course and creating more and more "cures" for things that would
> ordinarily KILL people, and then, not quitting the breeding process
> so we overcrowd. That sort of thing.
>

How does that warp nature? I don't understand.

Are you advocating more of a sort of medieval agrarian "whoops here
comes another bout of black death kind oh well" kind of existence or
a kind of "Logan's Run" sort of dome-life or something? If so, it
might be natural, but I don't think it's very nice.

I like having my grandparents around, thankyouverymuch.

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From: nospamum@radix.net

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:47:39 GMT, decadence@subgenius.com (Sister
Decadence) wrote:

>>I like having my grandparents around, thankyouverymuch.
>
> I liked having mine around too, but if one was dying of something,
>to keep them around in some sort of half-existence is abhorrent to me.
>(My grandmother chose death over machines and medicine, so it was
>abhorrent to her as well.)

Yeah, well, sure. That's the other side of the coin that lets little
hemophilliacs live long enough to breed and the other side that lets
little epileptics hold still with blinky things in their BRAINS and
the other side that lets old farts live long enough to run down little
children at a bus stop and the other side that lets old farts live
long enough to RAISE their grandchildren so that some OTHER old fart
will be rested enough to push them out of the way of the oncoming
Cadillac. Like that.

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From: nospamum@radix.net

On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:23:57 GMT, Matthew Rhodes
<reveriecomics@home.com> wrote:

>Actually, the medicine used to allow hemophiliacs long enough to breed
>(truthfully, though, hemophiliacs did live regular life-spans before this
>medication was provided, they'd just be crippled and in pain constantly)
>killed them by infecting them with HIV and Hepatitus B & C, making it
>pretty much impossible to breed. Also, like baldness, hemophilia and
>other sex-linked genetic defects can be carried by women but only passed
>down to men (women are born with hemophilia only when both the mother is a
>carrier and the father is a hemophiliac and there's still only a 50/50
>chance I think). So even if people with various birth defects stopped
>breeding the diseases would still exist.

Golly. Do YOU know the origin of "FUCK"?

>Gene therapy would be the only
>true solution to solving birth defects, which could only be accomplished
>by advanced technology. People are going to live longer and they're going
>to continue breeding like rats. And I don't think there's a single
>organism in nature that doesn't take full advantage of it's maximum
>potential. It'd be pointless to stop now.

BAH. People who ARE living longer are NOT breeding like rats. I don't
think it's been adequately explained, either. I mean, where maternal
mortality is down to almost nothing, living women are STILL wising up
and figuring out that more babies means more death. Or
somethinglikethat.

Wait. You were talking about how all those BROWN PEOPLE won't have
enough sense to quit squirting babies out during their sixties,
werentcha? RACIST.

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From: Kÿfffff6 <xenuxenuNOxeSPAM@netzero.com.invalid>

In article <37F3D870.57AC9DDF@home.com>, Matthew Rhodes
<reveriecomics@home.com> wrote:

> >
> Well, there's been cases where women have given birth well into
> their sixties
> (but the one I have in mind involved fertility drugs, I think).

Women will give birth to practically anything!

I dunno how many tabloid headlines I've seen:

"Woman Gives Birth to ___________!"

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From: Peter Hipwell <petehip@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>

Sister Decadence wrote:
>
> On Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:47:22 +0100, Peter Hipwell
> <petehip@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>

> >
> > Are you advocating more of a sort of medieval agrarian "whoops
> > here comes another bout of black death kind oh well" kind of
> > existence or a kind of "Logan's Run" sort of dome-life or
> > something? If so, it might be natural, but I don't think it's
> > very nice.
>
> Perhaps it's not nice. Nothing is a perfect solution, yes?
>

OK, so we've established that you're not nice. But which were
you advocating? Or was there a Blairite "Third Way" to mass
extirpation of troubling crumblies, those toothless eidolons
of mortality in their little electric golf cart thingummies?

> >
> >I like having my grandparents around, thankyouverymuch.
>
> I liked having mine around too, but if one was dying of
> something, to keep them around in some sort of half-existence is
> abhorrent to me. (My grandmother chose death over machines and
> medicine, so it was abhorrent to her as well.)
>

Well, everyone should have their choice, that's what I think.

I don't want a "natural" Stone Age life expectancy.

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From: nospamum@radix.net

We just oughta feel BAD about being US. It's only natural.

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From: nospamum@radix.net

On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:29:46 +0100, Peter Hipwell
<petehip@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>If something is "natural", that does not mean it is "good". Black holes
>are "natural". Having the entire planet sucked into a black
>hole would be perfectly "natural". This may be a bad example, as
>some wizened misanthropes might regard that scenario as "good". However,
>we may safely ignore them, as they are idiots.
>
>The fact that "these people" are "saved" is all Gnature's fault for
>letting us evolve these big brains that (hopefully) let us do stuff
>that makes life less fucking miserable. If instead of that big brain
>I had only a tiny brain, I would agree with you. Except that I'd
>probably be too busy whimpering and scavenging for rotting berries.
>
>The planet doesn't "do" anything. Organisms mutate. Organisms evolve.
>There is no conscious agency behind it. There is no invisible hand
>that enforces some kind of "natural balance" (a phrase which makes me
>think of commercials for high-fibre breakfast cereal made out of
>celery).

Yah. Nature doesn't have to TRY anything. It just IS. I would like to
try to be more like nature, but that would be DUM and not tenable
either, WHICH pisses me off unnaturally to know that I gotta get DEAD
to get natural. Dammit.

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From: Peter Hipwell <petehip@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>

Hey, hey, someone once told me that smoking dope was natural too!!!
And you can make ROPES and PAPER out of it, so it must be good. And
it's natural, just like huffing lines of coke from a mirrored surface
is NATURAL and better still COOL and STYLISH!!! It shows you can
AFFORD to! Some fucking hippie jack-offs told me that SHROOMS were
the best because they are NATURAL!!! They make you want to puke, but
they do it NATURALLY! SHROOMS are a good vibe, and LSD is a CHEMICAL,
which is BAD and does not CONNECT YOU TO THE EARTH! So GET NATURAL!

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From: Peter Hipwell <petehip@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>

Jim Vandewalker wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:58:09 GMT, nospamum@radix.net wrote:
>
> >
> > Shityeah! That's why I'd never want to poison myself with
> > anything less natural than asbestos or cyanide. I SHUN everything
> > else.
> >
> > Have a tomato!
> >

No way, I'm too scared of ptomaine poisoning! Everything is WAY
FAR MILES TOO DANGEROUS!!!!

> I poison myself with EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE CHEMICALS made by
> HEARTLESS MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS who earn GROTESQUE PROFITS
> from the illnesses of INNOCENT LIBERALS such as myself.
>
> The GOVament ought to DO something.
>

Make it compulsory for everyone?

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