From: "Blackout" <blackout@404infomagic.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 6:34 PM
Message-ID: <6jPq7.582$N67.527038@news.uswest.net>
"statichiss" wrote
> Let me describe the single, key difference between
every army that has
> ever fought and lost in Afghanistan and what the
U.S. is about to do.
> . .they were attempting a war of conquest. The
U.S. has no intention
> of conquering anyone. . .deposing the illiterate
little shits that run
> that country is not a conquest. . .no one on Earth
recognizes the
> Taliban as a government (oh, and most of them REALLY
CAN'T read or
> write). . .what the hell would we DO with the damn
place even if we
> took it, which we won't, because we can't, because
that'd make our
> situation WORSE. The U.S. will land in Afghanistan.
They will stage
> military operation within that country. They will
eventually get bin
> Laden. Then they will leave and let the U.N. clean
up.
wow. that sounds REALLY GREAT! you have it ALL FIGURED OUT!
but then again you have never been there either so I'm
going to have toc
hange categories from wishful thinking snot nosed american
know it all
and go with grizzled Russian war vet or $500, Alex.
I'm guessing every single time anybody went in there
a bunch of
nincompoops went "yeah but the ________'s that
tried it last time were a
bunch of dumbfucks but not us man, we are gonna KICK
ASS because they
didn't have ________ or the advantage of __________".
and then proceeded to get their asses kicked.
maybe the baseballapplepiechevrolet missles will work
against people
with nothing to lose that will die for their cause that
can pop up out
of nowhere and go back there instantly after they blow
off a bunch of
up-up-down-left-jumpjumpjump nintendo dork's heads/peckers
but it
doesn't seem very likely to anybody that has thought
about it for more
than a 3 minute hate's worth.
"the white man is brave when he's got tanks, he's
brave when he's got
bombs, he's brave when he's got a whole lot of company
along with him.
But you take that little man from Africa or Asia and
turn him loose in
the woods with a blade,,,,,,that's all he needs, all
he needs is a
blade,,,,,,and when the sun goes down and it's dark,
IT'S EVEN STEVEN"
Malcolm X - The Ballot or The Bullet Speech
>
> The Taliban siezed power 6 years ago. To think
that every Afghani is
> supportive of those ignorant fanatics is like saying
every Xtian is a
> potential abortion clinic bomber. Distributing
100,000 shortwave
> radios around that country would be more effective
than any weapon in
> the military. (And instead of Fantomas. . .how
about we let the
> families of some of the MUSLIMS who died in the
WTC tell them what
> they think of bin Laden and his "cause".
The mockery he makes of their
> faith. . .)
on this I agree with you, and it may well be the only
chance they have
of getting out with their pants.
> > >If resolving this issue only revolved
around the history of one war
I
> > >would agree with you. However, Afghanistan
has been chewing armies
up
> > >and spitting out the bloody chunks for
centuries. Can someone
repost
>
> Yeah, go ahead and compare people riding around
on horses with bolt
> action rifles to microband radar that can track
a mortar shell as soon
> as it breaks the horizon and provide targetting
coordinates to high
> altitude bombers before the shell even hits.
you will be comparing them sooner than you think. those
people have been
practicing for this hardcore for 20+ years and you actually
think a
bunch of teenagers are going to go open up a succesful
can off whoopass
on them? they might get it opened but,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> The Soviet opinion has no
> validity either, a.) they are bitter, b.) they
fought a different
> style of war, c.) their technology was 10 years
behind ours 15 years
> ago when they fought the Afghanis, d.) we backed
the Mujahadeen.
what a dumbass. the Soviets fought a "different"
kind of war alright,
including biological and chemical attacks and going
in to villiages and
wiping out the entire male population type terror tactics.
guess what?
they got their asses kicked. they tried every dirty
trick they knew and
then got out of dodge. They made #1 on the world's greatest
committers
of atrocities lists, and then packed up their shit and
said FUCK THIS
NOISE, IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
they had this other soviet vet on tv the other night
and they were
asking him about what they had learned and he said every
conventional
tactic was pretty much useless in Afghanistan. They
asked him what the
soviets had figured out were effective techniques and
he said b-52 type
carpet bombing entire areas was the only thing they
figure out that
would work and once they started the only way to effectively
stop them
from running down the mountain passes and getting away
was by "vigorous
application of Napalm". at which point they cut
away because they were
looking for stuff that sounded more like a spell of
enchantment or a
Vulcan nerve pinch type tactic, not in your face blood
and gore and guts
and veins in your teeth type shit that just depresses
the masses and
makes them buy less of the things they advertise on
such programs.
fuck yes they are bitter, they got their asses kicked
by a bunch of
stone age guys that wipe their butts with rocks (thanks
to
you-know-who).
> . . .and bin Laden barely has a friend left in
the world, even the
> Taliban is split. . .
OBL is dead meat, make no mistake about it. even if
he didn't do it,
which is where my money is still riding.
> Deacon Nekkid
have you enlisted yet? if it's going to be such a cakewalk
you sure
wouldn't want to miss out on any of the glory, right?
let us know how it
turns out, we need brave gullible men like you on the
front. NO? WHY
NOT? GET YOUR COWARDLY ASS DOWN THERE AND BUCK UP FOR
JESUS YOU PUSSY.
tough talk is CHEAP when it's someone else's teenagers
you plan on
stoking the fires of righteousness with.
think - REVENGE
think - JUSTICE
think - AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE
think - BE ALL YOU CAN BE
because otherwise, you'll start thinking about actual
brains and
eyeballs on the end of bayonets which is a real drag.
ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE YOURS.
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Subject: Re: as the war machine keeps turning
From: friday@fridayjones.com (Friday Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.friday
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 7:32 PM
Message-ID: <friday-ya02408000R2109011932040001@news.us.inter.net>
In article <6jPq7.582$N67.527038@news.uswest.net>,
"Blackout"
<blackout@404infomagic.com> wrote:
>"the white man is brave when he's got tanks,
he's brave when he's got
>bombs, he's brave when he's got a whole lot of company
along with him.
>But you take that little man from Africa or Asia
and turn him loose in
>the woods with a blade,,,,,,that's all he needs,
all he needs is a
>blade,,,,,,and when the sun goes down and it's dark,
IT'S EVEN STEVEN"
>Malcolm X - The Ballot or The Bullet Speech
HARDLY.
You can SEE the WHITE GUY a lot better in the DARK.
--
"Bunch together a group of people deliberately
chosen for strong
religious feelings, and you have a practical guarantee
of dark
morbidities expressed in crime, perversion, and insanity."
--HP Lovecraft, letter to Robert E. Howard 10/4/30
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Subject: Re: as the war machine keeps turning
From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 8:32 PM
Message-ID: <3babd932.42626370@News.CIS.DFN.DE>
"Blackout" <blackout@404infomagic.com>
hunched over a computer, typing
feverishly;
thunder crashed, "Blackout" <blackout@404infomagic.com>
laughed madly,
then wrote:
>"statichiss" wrote
>
>> Let me describe the single, key difference
between every army that has
>> ever fought and lost in Afghanistan and what
the U.S. is about to do.
>> . .they were attempting a war of conquest.
The U.S. has no intention
>> of conquering anyone. . .deposing the illiterate
little shits that run
>> that country is not a conquest. . .no one on
Earth recognizes the
>> Taliban as a government (oh, and most of them
REALLY CAN'T read or
>> write). . .what the hell would we DO with the
damn place even if we
>> took it, which we won't, because we can't,
because that'd make our
>> situation WORSE. The U.S. will land in Afghanistan.
They will stage
>> military operation within that country. They
will eventually get bin
>> Laden. Then they will leave and let the U.N.
clean up.
>
>wow. that sounds REALLY GREAT! you have it ALL FIGURED
OUT!
>
>but then again you have never been there either
so I'm going to have toc
>hange categories from wishful thinking snot nosed
american know it all
>and go with grizzled Russian war vet or $500, Alex.
>
>I'm guessing every single time anybody went in there
a bunch of
>nincompoops went "yeah but the ________'s that
tried it last time were a
>bunch of dumbfucks but not us man, we are gonna
KICK ASS because they
>didn't have ________ or the advantage of __________".
Partly I think he has a point.
When the Soviets went in, they had 'seized power' (as
far as grabbing
the airports, snuffing the government, and the usual
stff you would do
in a nation-state type invasion) within a few hours
with Spetznatz.
It's trying to -hold- a place like that which is impossible.
Similar with the British.
***
But personally, I don't think it makes a rat's ass of
difference. I
think going in their to kill or be killed in order to
show how badass
we are is just basically fucking dumb, but maybe necessary,
I don't
know.
But it really misses the big picture. What is GENUINELY
FUCKING
IMPORTANT is that we now HAVE some real convincing looking
support
from large parts of the Muslim world.
This in itself could be one of the greatest pieces in
making a better
future (OK yes that sounds like bullshit, but really)
that has ever
happened. I mean if -we- work with -Muslim Arabs- in
a joint venture,
regardless of what that venture is, that would dramatically
transform
the politics of the middle east in a very good way.
Countries that go
to war together tend to become butt buddies. It's a
guy thing.
So if we don't get STUPID and FUCK ALL THAT UP then
the terrorist
faction has actually -completely defeated themselves-
by their act of
mass murder. If we DO fuck it all up, then the terrorists
have gotten
exactly what they wanted. The muslim world aligned
absolutely against
the western world in a battle to the death.
Fuck. But I think we're going to fuck it all up. That's
how it's
looking now. I think Colin Powell is the only one over
there with a
lick of sense. In fact it wasn't until I read how he's
trying to
handle this coalition that I realized what the long
term good could
be. Powell clearly 'gets it'.
The Taliban have neutralized bin Laden, at least contained
him. And
they are -grovelling-. They -want- to help.
So, gather and present evidence. Let them save a little
fucking face
in this whole thing.
Why oh why oh why do we have to have Guuber in office for this?
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
"I'm from Venus. Can you spare a lemon?"
Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/
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Subject: Re: as the war machine keeps turning
From: Artemia Salina <y2k@sheayright.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Sep 21, 2001 9:42 PM
Message-ID: <3BABEC7E.81510CEC@sheayright.com>
We're seeing what appears to be unity of cause in Afghanistan
in
news reports lately, but I have severe doubts about
their resolve
in waging a holy war against us. For example, one report
tonight,
while showing a group of Pakistani's engaged in a riot,
the reporter
said that a shop keeper had been lynched because he
had refused to
close his shop in protest of America. These countries
are by no
means democracies where it is safe to go against GroupThink,
especially
if that group is violent. I certainly wouldn't assume
that Pakistan
and Afghanistan are unified against America based on
news reports of
riots. The rioters must be rioting against SOMEONE.
I also remember the Gulf War and all of the bluster
being spouted
by Iraq of how they would rather die than be beaten
by us. That was
BEFORE we started bombing them. Once they had actually
TASTED our
might, the white flags started to pop up like crocuses
after a
spring rain.
I think that those who are ALLOWED to speak in Afghanistan
are very
good at talking the talk of infinite resolve and hatred,
but when
our F-16's start buzzing them at super sonic speeds
100 feet above
the roofs of their huts day in and day out, they'll
change their
tune in short order.
The real problem will be to put an accurate face on
the enemy; they
don't wear badges. This, I think, will be a much more
difficult problem
than geography or logistics or the resolve of ignorant
lunatics (oops!).
In order to preserve the sympathy of other countries
(and that WILL be
necessary) we have to avoid 'bad press'. I just KNOW
that for every person
we kill there will be claims of foul play from Taliban
controlled Afghanistan,
and if that continues long enough I fear that other
countries will start
calling for proof of involvement for every casualty
we inflict.
--
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Subject: Re: as the war machine keeps turning
From: speaker616@hotmail.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos
Israel)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2001 8:34 PM
Message-ID: <b3372e53.0109221634.6040cc7f@posting.google.com>
OK, a scenario:
Imagine some southeast Asian radical splinter group
managed to crash
planes into the Kremlin and the Hermitage. Russia was
ramping up to
send desantniki & Spetznaz into Vietnam.
Wouldn't we expect Ivan to take our 'Nam vets seriously?
--
Chaos.
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Subject: Re: as the war machine keeps turning
From: Eden Smallwood <zeppenwolf@geocities.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sun, Sep 23, 2001 12:28 AM
Message-ID: <220920012128274920%zeppenwolf@geocities.com>
In article <b3372e53.0109221634.6040cc7f@posting.google.com>, speaker616@hotmail.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel) wrote:
* OK, a scenario:
*
* Imagine some southeast Asian radical splinter group
managed to crash
* planes into the Kremlin and the Hermitage. Russia
was ramping up to
* send desantniki & Spetznaz into Vietnam.
*
* Wouldn't we expect Ivan to take our 'Nam vets seriously?
Quite. However, I don't think we got our butts
kicked in Nam
because Ivan was supplying the opposition with Stingers
et alia.
Also, going in and grabbing/killing a select few
individuals
is probably easier than trying to take over the whole
damn place.
Also, while Afghan is clearly an unfun place to
fight, I
think that Ivan's stuff & doctrine are almost perfectly
inappropriate
for it.
Lastly, I think our techno is noticeably and relevantly superior.
I think we are taking Ivan vets experience seriously,
but it's
not one hundred percent relevant. Well, that's my understanding...
Eden
* --
* Chaos.
--
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Subject: Re: as the war machine keeps turning
From: arbane@home.com (Arbane the Terrible)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Sep 24, 2001 12:25 AM
Message-ID: <3baeb40f.12902258@news>
On Sat, 22 Sep 2001 21:28:27 -0700, Eden Smallwood
<zeppenwolf@geocities.com> wrote:
> Also, going in and grabbing/killing a select
few individuals
>is probably easier than trying to take over the
whole damn place.
I have to wonder.
Remember, the plural of 'moron' is 'focus group'.
-- James A. Wolf
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