Subject: The US Reaction

From: revjim@strangegames.com (Reverend Jim)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Sep 13, 2001 6:23 AM
Message-ID: <e028aced.0109130223.47b33782@posting.google.com>

I'm an American who loves a lot of what America is and everything
about what America is supposed to be; and I won't say here how the
whole thing made me feel because I'm sure you all feel it too. I
wonder, though, what happens next.

One thing is clear: The US can put all the money into missile defence,
spy networks, and wiretaps that it wants; it's never going to be
enough to stop 50 determined people with *knives*. Please, let no one
say that the States deserved this or had it coming or brought it on
itself -- that would simply be bullshit. But if we don't want a repeat
of what just happened, then the only practical measure we can take is
to kearn that even a superpower cannot act with impunity, and that
driving entire peoples to such a degree of desperation is going to
produce these kinds of horrific consequences.

But will the US act that way? Unlikely. Our reaction to previous
tragedies is not encouraging. When the right-wing zealot McVeigh
bombed Oklahoma City, did we ask ourselves what kind of factors could
produce such a person, or did we give in to our own right-wing
zealotry and execute him? How many Americans, do you think, noticed
the irony that we did exactly what he wanted us to do? After the
Columbine shooting, did we consider what pressures could drive a kid
like that, or did we ban trenchcoats and video games and enact "zero
tolerance" laws?

On the other hand, the magnitude of this disaster is so much beyond
anything that's gone before, that there could be literally ANY
reaction -- even an intelligent one. It might, for example, wake
Americans up and get them to notice that the oceans are a lot smaller
than they used to be. It might even make us wonder, after the initial
shock that people could hate us so much, about why they hate us so
much. There are, after all, pretty large parts of the world
population that the US does not expect anything from but to die; did
we think they were going to cheerfully accept that?

I just wish someone else was president right now. Gore wouldn't be
half as bad in this situation; even the elder Bush would have been
better. As it is, it's too easy to imagine a few "healing" cruise
missiles lobbed at some poor bastards nowhere near the real culprits
-- much like the Sudanese pharmaceutical plant we heroically bombed,
and never apologised for. What I see on the American news doesn't
give me much optimism. Why do they have to show that one old
Palestinian cow going la-la-la at the camera 50 times a day? If one
of our missles landed in Tahrir Square, would Americans be sombre and
regretful, or would we be singing and cracking beer cans for the
cameras? I'm guessing that the average Palestinian is at home now,
wondering what new retaliation they're going to have to suffer for the
acts of a few nutzos.

Islam, historically, is among the world's most peaceful and
enlightened religions. Several hundred years of oppression later, and
the Middle East -- both Jewish and Arab -- is so mercilessly violent
that even Medieval times look gentle in comparison. Trying to remove
the threat from that quarter without addressing the deeper issues of
oppression and inhumanity would be like, say, trying to remove the
threat of American inner cities by increasing jail terms without
dealing with the poverty and disempowerment. Which is of course
exactly what the US has done.

I do not know what is going to happen over the next months. No one
does. Nothing like this has ever happened in the States before. But
I do know that at this time the United States needs all the Slack it
can possibly get.

Your Reverand Jim
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Subject: Re: The US Reaction
From: kconvery@ioma.com (The Bishop)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Sep 13, 2001 6:25 PM
Message-ID: <f9a02c0.0109131425.7a226d89@posting.google.com>

revjim@strangegames.com (Reverend Jim) wrote in message news:<e028aced.0109130223.47b33782@posting.google.com>...
> I'm an American who loves a lot of what America is and everything
> about what America is supposed to be;

Love what it IS, or get the FUCK out.

and I won't say here how the
> whole thing made me feel because I'm sure you all feel it too. I
> wonder, though, what happens next.
>
> One thing is clear: The US can put all the money into missile defence,
> spy networks, and wiretaps that it wants; it's never going to be
> enough to stop 50 determined people with *knives*. Please, let no one
> say that the States deserved this or had it coming or brought it on
> itself -- that would simply be bullshit. But if we don't want a repeat
> of what just happened, then the only practical measure we can take is
> to kearn that even a superpower cannot act with impunity, and that
> driving entire peoples to such a degree of desperation is going to
> produce these kinds of horrific consequences.

Listen very carefully, you fuckwit: NOTHING this country has ever
done can even try to excuse or explain what these rabid animals did.
They have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are sub-human
scum, not even deserving of the contempt shown a Pink. The only reason
they did this is because we are strong and rich and they are poor and
jealous. Being a friend of the richest country on Earth wasn't good
enough for them; they had to be the one who beat up the biggest kid on
the block, and they are going to find out in short order that getting
in the first punch doesn't mean you are going to win the war.

>
> But will the US act that way? Unlikely. Our reaction to previous
> tragedies is not encouraging. When the right-wing zealot McVeigh
> bombed Oklahoma City, did we ask ourselves what kind of factors could
> produce such a person, or did we give in to our own right-wing
> zealotry and execute him? How many Americans, do you think, noticed
> the irony that we did exactly what he wanted us to do?

You DICK! He didn't want us to kill him; he wanted to get AWAY with
it, or he would have turned himself in. What he did was take what he
KNEW we would do, and say he WANTED it; thus, he seemed to the
simple-minded to be controlling the government. It is plain to me that
McVeigh was, rather, controlled by the government more than anyone
else, every moment of his worthless life. He allowed it to obsess him
to the point where he couldn't even act rationally. He was an
emotional retard who couldn't channel his rage. Anyone who has
sympathy for him, or thinks he somehow manipulated the U.S into making
him look good, is part of the problem, has the same skewed view that
killed McVeigh, and should please go jump off a high cliff.

After the
> Columbine shooting, did we consider what pressures could drive a kid
> like that, or did we ban trenchcoats and video games and enact "zero
> tolerance" laws?

Um, you know any towns where trenchcoats are banned? I don't. Know
even ONE video game that was banned because of Columbine? I don't
either. And your point was...?

>
> On the other hand, the magnitude of this disaster is so much beyond
> anything that's gone before, that there could be literally ANY
> reaction -- even an intelligent one. It might, for example, wake
> Americans up and get them to notice that the oceans are a lot smaller
> than they used to be. It might even make us wonder, after the initial
> shock that people could hate us so much, about why they hate us so
> much. There are, after all, pretty large parts of the world
> population that the US does not expect anything from but to die; did
> we think they were going to cheerfully accept that?
>

Man, you need to be put up against a wall and taken out of OUR
misery. The existence of pitiful little apologists for evil are a BIG
part of why these sons of whores could do what they did.

> I just wish someone else was president right now. Gore wouldn't be
> half as bad in this situation; even the elder Bush would have been
> better. As it is, it's too easy to imagine a few "healing" cruise
> missiles lobbed at some poor bastards nowhere near the real culprits
> -- much like the Sudanese pharmaceutical plant we heroically bombed,
> and never apologised for.

Translation: That bomb chemical factory we destroyed as a legitimate
and necessary step to thwart terrorism. Let's look at the "victims,"
shall we? In Sudan, there is legalized SLAVERY; women have their CLITS
cut off with broken glass so they don't have "sinful" thoughts; in
this country's courts, a man's testimony is equal to the testimony of
TWO women; any religion but Islam (that pitiful joke of a faith) is
prohibited; there is no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, no
redress of grievance whatsoever; 95% of the population live in
poverty; and this regime has the broad support of its people, because
it keeps out "evil" influences like open thought and expression,
freedom, dignity and some semblance of equality for women. Conclusion?
These people are uncivilized savages without whom the world would be
better off. If no one else will say it, I will: The only apologies we
should give is to our allies, for not killing MORE of them.

What I see on the American news doesn't
> give me much optimism. Why do they have to show that one old
> Palestinian cow going la-la-la at the camera 50 times a day?
\

DIE, propagandist scum, DIE!! ONE old Palestinian cow? I saw dozens
and dozens of towel-heads of all ages and genders, laughing and
passing out sweets to their little rock-throwing mongrels. ONE
American is more valuable than their whole collection of hovels they
call a town. You LIE like a pile of dogshit steaming in the sun.

If one
> of our missles landed in Tahrir Square, would Americans be sombre and
> regretful, or would we be singing and cracking beer cans for the
> cameras?

Probably somewhere in between, but since we bomb people to protect
individual liberty, and they bomb people to try and detroy lierty the
world over, how the HELL can you compare the two? You must be as evil
as bin Laden.

I'm guessing that the average Palestinian is at home now,
> wondering what new retaliation they're going to have to suffer for the
> acts of a few nutzos.

These poor "innocents" TRAIN their babies to become suicide bombers.
After the smoke clears, PLO officials show up at the parents' house,
with money and food and congratulations on the job their boy did.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT PALESTINIAN. THEY MUST ALL DIE.

>
> Islam, historically, is among the world's most peaceful and
> enlightened religions.

BULLSHIT. Jihad is written into their ersatz scriptures. the
non-violent ones try to explain it away, but there it is.

> Several hundred years of oppression later,

Translation: As soon as we civilized them enough for them to stop
fucking camels, goats, and their little brothers and learn to shoot a
gun or wire some Semtec.

and
> the Middle East -- both Jewish and Arab

LIES, LIES, LIES. How much is Arafat paying you, lowlife? The State
of Israel has shown the patience of Job in putting up with their
violent neighbors. They call AHEAD for God's sake, to make sure they
blow up buildings and not people. And to "retaliate" for something
they themselves started, the Palestinians blow up women and children
as they eat lunch. NO FUCKING COMPARISON to anyone with a brain in
their head and a conscience somewhere in their chest.

-- is so mercilessly violent
> that even Medieval times look gentle in comparison. Trying to remove
> the threat from that quarter without addressing the deeper issues of
> oppression and inhumanity would be like, say, trying to remove the
> threat of American inner cities by increasing jail terms without
> dealing with the poverty and disempowerment. Which is of course
> exactly what the US has done.

Do you live in the U.S.? Get the fuck out, traitor.
>
> I do not know what is going to happen over the next months. No one
> does.

We're going to find bin Laden and hang, draw, and quarter him.

> Nothing like this has ever happened in the States before.

It was called Pearl Harbor. You're REALLy stupid, aren't you? You'd
have to be, to hold the spurious opinions you've shared.

But
> I do know that at this time the United States needs all the Slack it
> can possibly get.

Right. So GET THE FUCK OUT, TRAITOR.

>
> Your Reverand Jim
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Subject: Re: The US Reaction
From: speaker616@hotmail.com (C. Woolard)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Sep 13, 2001 10:03 PM
Message-ID: <b3372e53.0109131803.61683d85@posting.google.com>

kconvery@ioma.com (The Bishop) wrote in message news:<f9a02c0.0109131425.7a226d89@posting.google.com>...

> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN INNOCENT PALESTINIAN. THEY MUST ALL DIE.

So. The war begins.

Like the lady said, been nice knowing you all.

--
C.

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