HOUR OF SLACK is heard Sunday nights at 9 on WCSB, Cleveland, 89.3 fm, and
will BE HEARD ALL OVER THE INTERNET via realtime audio ANY WEEK NOW, along
with THE Rev. Mike Cole's show, Einstein's Secret Orchestra with Lonesome
Cowboy Dave, and all the other great stuff on WCSB.
Rev. Kole says WCSB is already wired up for it and is only waiting for the
server machine to be delivered.
WCSB has a website; check it for details starting a week or two from now.
http://wcsb.org/~wcsb
You can download the realtime audio player for Mac or PC (or Unix) at:
http://www.realaudio.com/
I just did so and am gonna try it out. I understand that it works quite
well with SOME stations even on a 14.4 modem. We'll see.
The Stangostomy Bag
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From: i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang)
Subject: Re: Hour of Slack on Web in realtime soon
Date: 17 Sep 1995 22:46:49 GMT
Well I'll be damned, it works. It's a GIMMICK, but it works. I don't know
if WCSB and the other SubG-worthy stations are gonna be using this
PARTICULAR gimmick, but... it works. Pretty sort of.
I downloaded the RealAudio Player from www.realaudio.com/, fiddled around
with it for about an hour, and then used Netscape to go back to the
RealAudio site, which links to every web site now using the RealAudio
SERVER (the SERVER sales must be where they make the money). The list so
far is not very big. A Dallas (!) talk station, KLIF, seemed to be just
about the only station pumping their signal out over the Net 24 hours a
day, although there were many other stations online at select times, and
many more which serve, not the real-time "broadcast," but PLAYBACKS of
hour-long shows, collections of music, etc.
But it does work. Can't say as how it works real WELL, but Will O'Dobbs
and I DID INDEED sit here listening to KLIF talk radio, LIVE, AS
BROADCAST, through my Power Mac. It was football commentators, and they
sounded like they were gargling, but by gobbs you'd be able to follow the
game just fine. We checked another RealAudio-bearing website, PLAN NINE
FROM OUTER SPACE, and clicked on "HEAR THE ENTIRE SOUNDTRACK!", and sure
enough, a gargly sounding recording of the beginning of the movie started
right up. The music was awful but Criswell's intro came through quite
clearly. We also tried a few canned dixie dance band recordings and Voice
of America. Music is crappy sounding but voice is okay. THE HOUR OF SLACK
would probably be unbearable in places but COOLY WEIRD sounding in others.
The way it works is that the original digital signal, a wav or au file or
whatnot, is compressed SO MUCH that if you have a 14.4 modem and enough
RAM, you can listen to it AS IT'S DOWNLOADING. It's being pumped in,
decoded and decompressed faster than it can be played. A great deal of
quality is sacrificed, and this is NOT the way to self-publish music. But
it IS LIVE INTERNET RADIO and doesn't require a zillion bucks worth of
modem and connection.
My question now is, CAN WE DUMP RealAudio files at the SubSITE and have
them spew out correctly? Does Sunsite have to have a RealAudio server (a
few grand) or is that just a trick? Is this completely different from the
system used by the MAVEN program?
'Cause if we CAN spew sound in real time from Sunsite, that means that all
those impossible gimmicks I wrote in to the original Sub Web Plan, ARE NOW
NOT ONLY POSSIBLE BUT EASY AS HELL TO DO!!!
THREE STATIONS that play Hour of Slack have been talking about going
online in real time. Is this through the RealAudio system, or something
else?
LET DOBBS REVEAL THESE TRUTHS SOON!!!
The Prophet Stang
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From: mtownsend@interramp.com (Michael Townsend)
Subject: Re: Hour of Slack on Web in realtime soon
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 12:09:41 -0400
I wrote:
-> Are you sure KLIF and these other stations were "live?" I was under the
-> impression RealAudio was always pre-recorded.
That's what I get for not CHECKING the RealAudio site for a few weeks.
New goddamn developments all the time. Impossible to keep up with that
Stang fellow -- he's always on top of the latest thing, ain't he?
I listened to KLIF -- kinda dug that gargling effect, too. But even
though I already registered a username and password with ABC a while ago,
they wouldn't let me connect to their daily live coverage of the OJ
trial. Too bad since I'm sure I'd enjoy THAT coming through the garble
filter.
In any event, Hour Of Slack would still be prerecorded. And the cool
thing about that is that you can jump to any point in the recording with a
little slide control thingie. So if you can't stand the way that Rudy
Schwartz tune is sounding, you can just skip to the part where Papa Joe
Mama is ranting...
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From: dynasor@news.infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)
Rev. Ivan Stang (i.stang@metronet.com) wrote:
: Well I'll be damned, it works. It's a GIMMICK, but it works. I don't know
: if WCSB and the other SubG-worthy stations are gonna be using this
: PARTICULAR gimmick, but... it works. Pretty sort of.
Got the software. I'll install it on the Pentium in the lab since it has a
sound card. (I yanked out the speaker in my machine LONG ago dammit.)
But being direct connect (king.runet.edu) I don't suppose I'll have the
14.4k sound problem. So don't believe that Dad guy when he tells you to
diddle the sound to make it ALL gargly. Jam it through the processors and
expanders and all that good shit.
But... what will this do to the Foundation's income for subscriptions from
stations?
A correction to the original post, the Unix version is delayed and will
probably not be complete for some months. At least that's what the web site
said.
--
dynasor@infi.net The Doctor is on.
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From: mtownsend@interramp.com (Michael Townsend)
i.stang@metronet.com (Rev. Ivan Stang) wrote:
-> A Dallas (!) talk station, KLIF, seemed to be just
-> about the only station pumping their signal out over the Net 24 hours a
-> day, although there were many other stations online at select times, and
-> many more which serve, not the real-time "broadcast," but PLAYBACKS of
-> hour-long shows, collections of music, etc.
Are you sure KLIF and these other stations were "live?" I was under the
impression RealAudio was always pre-recorded.
-> and I DID INDEED sit here listening to KLIF talk radio, LIVE, AS
-> BROADCAST, through my Power Mac
Did you tune in the radio to check if it was simulcasting?
-> THE HOUR OF SLACK
-> would probably be unbearable in places but COOLY WEIRD sounding in others.
Oh now you'll have to produce a special internet version...you know,, make
it unbearable THROUGHOUT.
-> My question now is, CAN WE DUMP RealAudio files at the SubSITE and have
-> them spew out correctly? Does Sunsite have to have a RealAudio server (a
-> few grand) or is that just a trick?
I think they have to have the server. This is how the RealAudio people
intend to make money. I suppose you could call it a trick.
-> Is this completely different from the
-> system used by the MAVEN program?
yes
-> 'Cause if we CAN spew sound in real time from Sunsite, that means that all
-> those impossible gimmicks I wrote in to the original Sub Web Plan, ARE NOW
-> NOT ONLY POSSIBLE BUT EASY AS HELL TO DO!!!
if it can be done, it shall be done!
-> LET DOBBS REVEAL THESE TRUTHS SOON!!!
Subgenius internet for your ears. Yay, I win!
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From: mtownsend@interramp.com (Michael Townsend)
Subject: Re: Voice On the Net Digest
I just subscribed to this list...based on our recent interchange. Here's
ANOTHER technology on the way...don't see nothin' about a Mac application
though...
>From: Jeff Pulver <jeff@pulver.com>
>Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 07:39:24 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: [VON]: Internet Wave from VocalTec
>
>Below is a press release from VocalTec announcing their new product,
>Internet Wave.
>
>Anybody have any ideas when/if the folks behind CU-SeeMe will be offering
>an audio only version of their product? How about Tribal doing a
>real-time audio broadcasting server? The fun may will really begin whenever
>Microsoft decides to enter the marketplace....
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Jeff Pulver
>Publisher, NetWatch
>http://www.pulver.com/netwatch
>
>###############################################################################
>
>"Vocaltec Introduces Internet Wave for High-Quality Music and Voice
>Broadcasting over the Internet"
>
>Available For Free Download, IWave Sets the Standard for Internet
>Broadcasting By Enabling Organizations, Individuals to Broadcast Shows,
>Lectures, Discussions, Music and More in Outstanding Audio Quality to
>Internet Users Worldwide
>
>NORTHVALE, N.J., September 22, 1995 -- VocalTec Inc. today introduced the
>Internet Wave, or IWave, a voice communications tool that sets a new
>quality standard for broadcasting over the Internet. Available free for
>download from the Internet (http://www.vocaltec.com), IWave gives radio
>stations, entertainment companies, universities and even individuals a way
>to broadcast shows, lectures, music and more in a high-quality audio format
>to Internet users worldwide and all Internet users a way to receive such
>broadcasts.
>
>"IWave's technology is adding another dimension to the Internet -- high
>quality sound. Now, anyone who wants to be represented on the Internet
>will have the 'voice' to be heard. VocalTec has set a quality standard for
>real-time voice. Expect all aspects of the Internet to be enriched," said
>Martin Schoffstall, senior vice president and chief technical officer for
>PSINet, the leading Internet service provider. "The Internet is evolving
>into a full sensory experience and IWave will effect the way the world
>communicates. VocalTec has developed the compression algorithms to provide
>sound for even dial-up connections. PSINet, as a pure Internet network,
>can readily take advantage of these capabilities. We have seen the
>explosive demand for multimedia on the Internet and have the network
>technology ready to support IWave."
>
> "VocalTec has achieved a level of audio quality that enables radio
>stations to go 'on-air' online with both speech and music," said Tony
>Gatto, managing editor, WCBS Radio New York. "IWave opens doors for radio
>stations around the world to expand their reach to new audiences anywhere,
>any time and any place with broadcast quality digital audio."
>
> "With IWave, every Internet user can be an information and content
>provider directly from their home PC. It is an amazing concept when you
>consider that there are more than 25 million users now on the Internet and
>a new node added every 20 minutes," said Elon Ganor, president and chief
>executive officer of VocalTec, developer of the revolutionary Internet
>Phone software, the de facto standard for real-time, voice communications
>over the Internet. "As an Internet-friendly company, VocalTec is dedicated
>to providing Internet users with the best possible tools for expanding
>their ability to communicate via audio over the Internet. IWave is just
>another example of this."
>
>VocalTec's IWave, currently being considered by Viacom, Virgin Interactive
>Entertainment Inc. and Sony Music Entertainment Inc., has two main
>components -- a server package that includes an encoder and works in
>conjunction with standard web servers and the IWave Windows-compatible
>helper application. Both are available free of charge at VocalTec's Web
>site at http://www.vocaltec.com.
>
>The encoder compresses data from Windows .WAV and UNIX .AU files using
>high-quality compression algorithms similar to those developed by VocalTec
>for the Internet Phone. The compressed data is then stored on a Web server
>for retrieval. An encoder for live audio source compression is also
>available for a charge.
>
>IWave's helper application supports any Web browser, including Netscape and
>Spyglass, and can be downloaded from a Web site by end users for easy
>installation on PCs. Once installed, IWave automatically recognizes and
>plays back audio stored at Web sites by an IWave encoder. To support IWave,
>end users must have Windows 3.1 or higher, a SLIP or PPP connection and a
>modem that runs at 9.6 Kbps or faster. Those with 14.4 Kbps modems will
>experience audio with quality similar to that of AM radio broadcasts while
>those with 28.8 Kbps modems will hear audio of almost-FM quality.
>Individuals who call into Web sites with IWave will be able to choose
>randomly what sections of saved audio clips they'd like to hear. An
>advanced graphical user interface that's easy to implement and fun to use
>simplifies navigation to and within the server.
>
>Audience size for an IWave broadcast is limited only by a server's
>connection bandwidth, for IWave acts like any other Web activity. In
>addition, Web site providers can set passwords to limit access to IWave
>sites or recordings or to sell the service.
>
>Founded in 1991, VocalTec, Inc. is an international developer and marketer
>of voice communications and messaging solutions for multimedia and
>workgroup computing. Its products are at the forefront of computer audio
>conferencing and are designed to improve productivity, reduce
>communications costs and maximize business investments in network
>technology. VocalTec's Internet Phone software, unveiled in February,
>brings to users a whole new way to communicate -- by enabling real-time
>conversations over the Internet simply by dialing into the network and
>taking advantage of the multimedia capabilities built into today's PCs.
>VocalTec is based at 157 Veterans Drive, Northvale, N.J. 07647, with
>research and development facilities in Israel. Its Web address is
>http://www.vocaltec.com.
>************************************
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