Subject: Satanism

From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@home.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2001 10:15 AM
Message-ID: <hAQe7.94800$oh1.35745160@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>

What's the deal with Satanism anyway? I mean, some carnival barker gets
filthy rich of this club he starts based on these books he writes about
Satan. These books are all like, "Oh, Satan's been misunderstood, he's not
really evil, he just wants humans to be strong and have a lot of pleasure."
Well, that's like saying "Ok, we were wrong about Mickey Mouse all these
years! In fact, he is not a short, round cartoon mouse with big ears..... in
fact, he is... FABIO!! Yes! And he doesn't trot around a cartoon world
looking for fun, he really hangs around cruise ships looking to seduce
middle-aged heiresses!"

Satan is a character in books that are four thousand years old. He is the
ultimate evil, he is that-which-is-not-God, the enemy of God, the seducer
and accuser of humanity. There's a character like that in almost every
religion.

There's a biological reason we think up such characters -- our brains are
split into Left and Right hemispheres, with differing thought processes in
each. Our minds are constantly presented with two different views of the
world. As we grew into more refined ways of thinking, we assumed that this
was part of Natural Law -- "there are two sides to everything", as the kids
say.

Anyway, there are NOT two sides to every thing. Each thing is the only one
of itself, and if there are any similarities that seem to balance things
into a two-part pattern, it's just our imaginations! But we keep putting
two-sided patterns into everything we write and make.

People will never agree on definitions of the abstractions "Good" and
"Evil", but when someone does something mean that hurts someone else, it is
obvious to everyone involved in the event that what happened wasn't right.
They experience an instant emotional response that can be measured in
changes in heartbeat and breathing. How do we know that wasn't right? We
don't know, so we say "God wouldn't have done that. God wouldn't like it
that you did that." God is our shorthand for that-which-never-hurts-anyone.

Since we thought up the Ultimate Good, the idea of something that never does
mean things, we had to come up with its opposite, in order to make the
pattern work for our limited two-brained minds. So that's where Satan comes
from, and that's what he is -- the opposite of Good.

If something is the opposite of good, you don't want it.
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Subject: Re: Satanism
From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Thu, Aug 16, 2001 1:30 PM
Message-ID: <3B7C034C.7100@succeeds.com>

Rev. Magdalen wrote:
>
> What's the deal with Satanism anyway?

You never commented on what I said the last time you
brought that up.

It was the bit about god using up all his energy to
make the universe in his image, thus leaving satan to
eventually become powerful enough to overthrow god,
destroy the universe and re-make it in his image.

Now the evil universe has pretty much the same rules
at the good universe, so eventually it evolves into
thinking that good is evil and satan is actually god.

But all this time, god, who the evil people call satan,
has been gathering his energy to overthrow the real
satan and destroy the evil universe, that he plan to
then replace with a good universe in his own image.

In either case the people, be they the good people in
the good universe, or the evil people in the evil
universe, are pawns and get boned.

--
"There is no nu-monet. There is only Zuul."
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Subject: Re: Satanism
From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)

Well, that's all a good argument in favor of Satanism.

Our brains do split things into 'OK' and 'Not OK' and we fail to
recognize that it's just our culture talking.

So Christians decide 'sex is bad. fun is bad.' and say 'and GOD told
me so'. So as far as that goes, 'worshipping Satan' is a way of
breaking out of those rules. And 'the ultimate good' sometimes does
mean things like burning witches or gassing Jews or crusades or
spanish inquisitions or bombing abortion clinics.

But I think most Satanists, not all but most, in practice tend to be
kind of tiresome. In fact it's funny you bring this up because I am
in the middle of a long and completely pointless debate with a truly
annoying Satanist in another newsgroup and he's a blithering idiot and
I wrote a very long email about this exact subject two days ago.

Satanism can be a tool for reprogramming your mind and breaking free
from conditioning. But it's all based on rebellion. That's good, but
then eventually you run out of things to rebel against.

It's like a Satanist ... and this is especially true if he does a lot
of acid ... has succesfully removed any hesitation or internal
resistance to doing what he wants immediately. When you run out of
things to rebel -against- though what do you get? Every impulse is
immediately expressed in word or action. So the person becomes this
jerking puppet of self-indulgence. Rather than any thought muddying
up their poor little heads, they are completely free-associative.
What they say is just the immediate reaction to whatever their current
emotional impulse is, and often makes no sense at all when you really
sit and look at it.

If you ever knew a real, burn-out ex-acidhead some of them turn out
that way.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

Nobody notices a chicken skulking off in the shadows, chuckling
evilly.

Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/
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Subject: Re: Satanism
From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)

>
>In either case the people, be they the good people in
>the good universe, or the evil people in the evil
>universe, are pawns and get boned.

How about this one.

What people call 'God' obviously isn't. One quick look around the
world should be enough to convince you of that.

In fact there were hundreds of gods. The real god is invisible and in
a dimension far far from this one. One of the lesser gods was flawed
though, and partially blind. He couldn't see the other ones. So
living alone in space, he went a little crazy.

So he set aside a little rift of time-space and made our world in it.
Since he was blind and crazy, he told all the people "I am the only
god!"

But because he was crazy his world was really a prison, and all the
people he made were trapped in malfunctioning meat-bodies.

The real gods want to help us, but the blind god makes us worship him
and ignore them.

So the real Evil God is actually the blind god. And the first step in
getting free is rejecting him.

</gnosticism 101>

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

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Subject: Re: Satanism
From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>
>

Well, I read this sci-fi golden age story that the gods
were really pissed off at the one of their number who
created life. Seems that this mad scientist-type god's
creation, life, was like a plague that infected planet
after planet and totally ruined them.

So the other gods banded together and forced the other
galaxies away from the Milky Way, to protect them from
infection. And that is why the universe seems to be
expanding.

The one twist to this was intelligent life, mankind,
that had discovered nuclear power and thus were poised
to infect the rest of the universe with spaceships.

So the gods sent a "Bob"-like character to Earth, a
simulcrum, "More perfect than perfect, like the face
on a billboard", to strip away man's knowledge of
things nuclear.

Why he related this story to a scientist was a
necessary plot device, but it was obvious that he
really didn't need to. Except that, in departing, he
left them with the impression that the gods thought of
Earth as a "farm", full of tasty domesticated animals.

--
"There is no nu-monet. There is only Zuul."

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