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Where's the 'Silent Running' ship and pods?
DOH!
fucking good for nothing trekkies!
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Correspondent:: "ArWeGod" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:20:08 GMT
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> "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
wrote in message news:mDodd.288$JC5.256@trnddc07...
> > "nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
news:4175BFA1.40C1@succeeds.com...
> > http://www.heinola.org/~tsiergis/muuta/starship.gif
> >
> > Where's the 'Silent Running' ship and pods?
>
> DOH!
>
> fucking good for nothing trekkies!
Good one. How about the Space 1999 complex and/or ships.
And shouldn't there have been a dot for The Doctor's call box?!!
Does anyone remember a short-lived series on TV from the late 60's or
early 70's about a space ark? It was many generations later, and no one
knew they were on a spaceship, and a small group of people were trying
to do "something", like get to the control place or whatever. I think
the Ark was going to crash or something. Every episode had a new section
of the ship that they had to get through, and the different cultures
that controlled the section usually prevented them until they came up
with a brilliant new solution to their problem. I lived in Canada at the
time, and no Americans seem to have heard of it. I'd love to see a DVD
of it. I'm sure it would look cheesy now, but I still like old Star
Trek, so...
I wonder how it would scale next to the other ships in the pic...
"ArWeGod" wrote in message
news:Ycpdd.32844$QJ3.7766@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>> "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
> wrote in message news:mDodd.288$JC5.256@trnddc07...
>> > "nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
> news:4175BFA1.40C1@succeeds.com...
>> > http://www.heinola.org/~tsiergis/muuta/starship.gif
>> >
>> > Where's the 'Silent Running' ship and pods?
>>
>> DOH!
>>
>> fucking good for nothing trekkies!
>
> Good one. How about the Space 1999 complex and/or ships.
>
> And shouldn't there have been a dot for The Doctor's call box?!!
>
> Does anyone remember a short-lived series on TV from the late 60's or
> early 70's about a space ark? It was many generations later, and no one
> knew they were on a spaceship, and a small group of people were trying
> to do "something", like get to the control place or whatever. I think
> the Ark was going to crash or something. Every episode had a new section
> of the ship that they had to get through, and the different cultures
> that controlled the section usually prevented them until they came up
> with a brilliant new solution to their problem. I lived in Canada at the
> time, and no Americans seem to have heard of it. I'd love to see a DVD
> of it. I'm sure it would look cheesy now, but I still like old Star
> Trek, so...
> I wonder how it would scale next to the other ships in the pic...
>
> --
> ArWeDrifting
>
>
Correspondent:: "ghost" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:25:46 GMT
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"ArWeGod" wrote:
(snip)
> Does anyone remember a short-lived series on TV from the late 60's or
> early 70's about a space ark? It was many generations later, and no one
> knew they were on a spaceship, and a small group of people were trying
> to do "something", like get to the control place or whatever. I think
> the Ark was going to crash or something. Every episode had a new section
> of the ship that they had to get through, and the different cultures
> that controlled the section usually prevented them until they came up
> with a brilliant new solution to their problem. I lived in Canada at the
> time, and no Americans seem to have heard of it. I'd love to see a DVD
> of it. I'm sure it would look cheesy now, but I still like old Star
> Trek, so...
I believe that was the infamous "The Starlost", written and created by
Cordwainer Bird.
Paraphrased exchange between Starlost teevee exec and creator:
Creator: "Okay, so this space ship is fifty miles long..."
Exec: "We can't build a set fifty miles long!"
Creator: "All we have to do is TELL them (the TV viewers) that it's fifty
miles long."
Correspondent:: "ArWeGod" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:15:30 GMT
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"ghost" wrote in message
news:uHtdd.14296$OD2.5522@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "ArWeGod" wrote:
>
> (snip)
> > Does anyone remember a short-lived series on TV from the late 60's
or
> > early 70's about a space ark? It was many generations later, and no
one
> > knew they were on a spaceship, and a small group of people were
trying
> > to do "something", like get to the control place or whatever. I
think
> > the Ark was going to crash or something. Every episode had a new
section
> > of the ship that they had to get through, and the different cultures
> > that controlled the section usually prevented them until they came
up
> > with a brilliant new solution to their problem. I lived in Canada at
the
> > time, and no Americans seem to have heard of it. I'd love to see a
DVD
> > of it. I'm sure it would look cheesy now, but I still like old Star
> > Trek, so...
>
> I believe that was the infamous "The Starlost", written and created by
> Cordwainer Bird.
I would LOVE to see a few episodes of that one. I think it's a fantastic
idea for a show, especially if they never even talk about how big the
ship is. It's like Stargate in that you could have endless new
situations, characters, "worlds", etc. And if they started it with a
Doctor Who kind of situation, where the main characters changed out from
time to time it could be even better.
I would like to see a show that killed off a few characters, and swapped
around the sidekicks. Sliders did a little of that, as did Dr. Who. I'd
like seeing the torch passed around a little, as "the mission" gets
converts. Old characters could be following along for good or nefarious
purposes, enemies made who are not totally incompetent and actually kill
a character off, advanced cultures could be found with extraordinary
healing abilities to bring back characters, a transporter could move a
character to a place the others only get to next season, etc, etc.
Let's do lunch.
--
ArWeTVMoguls
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:40:03 -0700
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ArWeGod wrote:
>
> "ghost" worted:
> >
> > "ArWeGod" wrote:
>
> > I believe that was the infamous "The Starlost",
> > written and created by Cordwainer Bird.
>
> I would LOVE to see a few episodes of that one.
> I think it's a fantastic idea for a show,
> especially if they never even talk about how
> big the ship is. It's like Stargate in that you
> could have endless new situations, characters,
> "worlds", etc. And if they started it with a
> Doctor Who kind of situation, where the main
> characters changed out from time to time it
> could be even better.
The original "The Starlost" was a disaster.
They later took the only two-part episode, which
sucked anyway, and spliced it together into an
unsatisfying "movie" that they didn't do anything
with anyway. I have the "movie". It still sucks.
I watched the show, and even as a kid I saw a bunch
of things in the production that just made me wince,
knowing that they had bollixed it up. They had
several really good story points that were ignored
and it degenerated into a $500-an-episode effort
in front of a blue screen, with no editing and shot
to video look.
I never liked the "Garth" character, and "Rachel"
looked downright feeble-minded. Keir Dullea wasn't
half bad, when he was on his own. Interestingly
enough, several of his early scenes were very
similar in concept to some of his scenes in "2001:
A Space Odyssey", obviously ripped off.
(When the hunted down Dullea for a cameo in "2010"
they finally found him driving a taxi in Paris.)
"The Starlost premiered on television loosely based
on a concept created by Harlan Ellison.
Meticulously and lovingly devised by the brilliance
of Harlan Ellison and thought out to perfection by
Scientific Advisor Ben Bova, the series promised to
be a monumental step for SF television. Ellison
had contracted great SF writers such as A.E. Van
Vogt, Frank Herbert, Joanna Russ, Thomas M. Disch,
Alexei Panshin, Phillip K. Dick, and Ursula K. Le
Guin to write storylines that would be scripted by
the best Canadian writers available. Douglas
Trumbull would be Executive Producer and create the
special effects via the Magicam system.
It looked good. It sounded good. It fell apart.
The Starlost regressed into a low-budget, syndicated
show with all the SFX being accomplished ineffectively
through chroma-key, the method used in TV newscasts to
put pictures behind the commentators. Trumbull left
before production began as did Ellison, who used his
pen name as series creator and writer of episode one.
Only Ursula K. Le Guin's storyline made it into
production. The end product was a dismal reflection
of the glories promised. After only 16 episodes,
The Starlost vanished into the void..."
--
"A stupid movie WILL NOT make you turn
down a blowjob. Simple as that."
-- nu-monet
Correspondent:: "ghost" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:42:39 GMT
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> The original "The Starlost" was a disaster.
>
> They later took the only two-part episode, which
> sucked anyway, and spliced it together into an
> unsatisfying "movie" that they didn't do anything
> with anyway. I have the "movie". It still sucks.
>
> I watched the show, and even as a kid I saw a bunch
> of things in the production that just made me wince,
> knowing that they had bollixed it up. They had
> several really good story points that were ignored
> and it degenerated into a $500-an-episode effort
> in front of a blue screen, with no editing and shot
> to video look.
>
> I never liked the "Garth" character, and "Rachel"
> looked downright feeble-minded. Keir Dullea wasn't
> half bad, when he was on his own. Interestingly
> enough, several of his early scenes were very
> similar in concept to some of his scenes in "2001:
> A Space Odyssey", obviously ripped off.
>
> (When the hunted down Dullea for a cameo in "2010"
> they finally found him driving a taxi in Paris.)
>
> http://www.snowcrest.net/fox/star.html
>
> "The Starlost premiered on television loosely based
> on a concept created by Harlan Ellison.
> Meticulously and lovingly devised by the brilliance
> of Harlan Ellison and thought out to perfection by
> Scientific Advisor Ben Bova, the series promised to
> be a monumental step for SF television. Ellison
> had contracted great SF writers such as A.E. Van
> Vogt, Frank Herbert, Joanna Russ, Thomas M. Disch,
> Alexei Panshin, Phillip K. Dick, and Ursula K. Le
> Guin to write storylines that would be scripted by
> the best Canadian writers available. Douglas
> Trumbull would be Executive Producer and create the
> special effects via the Magicam system.
>
> It looked good. It sounded good. It fell apart.
>
> The Starlost regressed into a low-budget, syndicated
> show with all the SFX being accomplished ineffectively
> through chroma-key, the method used in TV newscasts to
> put pictures behind the commentators. Trumbull left
> before production began as did Ellison, who used his
> pen name as series creator and writer of episode one.
> Only Ursula K. Le Guin's storyline made it into
> production. The end product was a dismal reflection
> of the glories promised. After only 16 episodes,
> The Starlost vanished into the void..."
One of the things Ellison talked about in "Ellison Wonderland" was how the
producers tried to get him to SCAB write for the series after Silverberg
declined due to a Writers' Guild strike.
Say what you will about Ellison being screechy and preachy... at least he's
no SCAB.
There's pigfuckers... there's snakefuckers... there are even dirtfuckers.
And then there are SCABS.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:25:27 -0700
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:42:39 GMT, "ghost" wrote:
>One of the things Ellison talked about in "Ellison Wonderland" was how the
>producers tried to get him to SCAB write for the series after Silverberg
>declined due to a Writers' Guild strike.
>
>Say what you will about Ellison being screechy and preachy... at least he's
>no SCAB.
>
>There's pigfuckers... there's snakefuckers... there are even dirtfuckers.
>And then there are SCABS.
I like to make fun of Ellison sometimes but he did some pretty good
writing. I would have loved for Starlost to get made, the way he saw
making it, I think it could have been great. Just the thought of a
prime-time sci-fi show with Phillip Dick as a regular contributer
gives me visions of something as good as Twilight Zone.
I loathe television but you get those rare, golden shining moments
when somebody recognizes and rises above the inherent shlock force
field that TV production exudes and does something really good, like
Twilight Zone or the first season of Twin Peaks.
I saw a couple episodes of The Outer Limits that Ellison wrote, "Demon
with a glass hand" and "Soldier", and they really are very good for
television.
TV production is a creativity-killing machine though. I got Twin
Peaks on DVD and watched the episodes with director's commentary
(Lynch only directed 7 episodes altogether). Some of the directors
seemed OK but most of them ... you could just hear them, as they
described making the episode, casting it in terms of all the fucking
cliches that make TV a wasteland, and struggling to impose those
cliches on the show. Like trying to "get" Cooper ... in other words,
trying to extract those caricature signature cliches that could be
used to make Cooper a typical, cutesy, catch-phrase TV cutout. I sit
there listening to these bozos DOING it, TV-izing Twin Peaks, it just
makes me fucking wince.
Characters in TV series do quickly become exaggerated parodies of
themselves. Like Fonzie in Happy Days. As I recall, the very early
episodes of the show he was kind of a genuinely interesting character,
but then he quickly becomes this cartoon character. That's TV. It's
easier to write that way, just make Fonzie say "ayyyy" at the
appropriate moments and have Richie do some Richie cliche at the
appropriate moments ... and HEY, the shows write themselves! NEAT!
So listening to these TV directors trying to figure out how to
"Fonzie-ize" Cooper ... god the bastards should all be shot.
I can understand somewhat, the time pressure of TV writing has to be
terrible, coming up with a new show every week.
But if the result is a rolling cliche-generating machine, personally I
think it gets to the point where a thing not better done is better
just not done at all. Or something.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
I'm PRO-ACCORDIAN and I VOTE
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:35:05 -0700
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:15:30 GMT, "ArWeGod"
wrote:
>I would like to see a show that killed off a few characters, and swapped
>around the sidekicks. Sliders did a little of that, as did Dr. Who. I'd
>like seeing the torch passed around a little, as "the mission" gets
>converts. Old characters could be following along for good or nefarious
>purposes, enemies made who are not totally incompetent and actually kill
>a character off, advanced cultures could be found with extraordinary
>healing abilities to bring back characters, a transporter could move a
>character to a place the others only get to next season, etc, etc.
When I was a lot younger I used to fantasize about writing a TV show
like that, where the main characters were all "rolling".
Something like a cross between something like "Twilight Zone", where
there's a totally different story every week, and a typical show where
there is just one long-running story. A character and the whole story
might last a few months, but if it made more sense to the plot for the
character to die, they would die. Story lines would shift as old
characters died and new ones came in.
I thought in terms of something like the world of the Conan stories at
the time, very violent, sword fighting and stuff. The characters
would all be adventurer types, with more realistic motivations than
swords and sorcery type stories ... no quests for "The Orb of Evil
Power" or whatever. A story line might, for instance, be based
completely on one character trying to get rich, trying to rob a church
or whatever. None of the typical moral division, the sweet Good
heroes versus the loathsome hateful Evil villians. Characters would
vary and be ambiguous, realism would be at a premium. Some characters
would just be plain bad people, but some of the bad people would be
interesting and sympathetic and the good ones could be unsympathetic
etc.
I figured few characters would last more than a year, probably a few
months typically. People just get killed. Grim and gritty.
It could have been kind of cool IMO.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Religion isn't the opiate of the masses. When
properly used, religion is the methamphetamine
of the masses." - nu-monet v6.0 in alt.slack
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 20 Oct 2004 08:18:44 -0700
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Missing: Fireball XL5, the saucer from "Forbidden Planet" and John
Denver's ultralight.
--
HellPope Huey
Job #1: trying to get past the lowest common denominator.
"Under democracy one party always devotes
its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party
is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed and are right...
The United States has never developed
an aristocracy really disinterested
or an intelligentsia really intelligent.
Its history is simply a record of vacillations
between two gangs of frauds."
- H. L. Mencken
"Here's a little number that'll set fire to your trashcan!"
- "The Simpsons"
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Not to mention DUH saucer from
"DUH day DUH Earth Stood Still"
being missing and all.
"David Langlois --- Ball serves Baal" wrote in
message news:20041020075644.04552.00003758@mb-m27.aol.com...
> If you like that you'll love "Starship Dimensions" at
> www.merzo.net/index.html
> (not sure whether the Silent Running ship is in there).
>
>
> David
> aka
> the Rebi "Slash" Foreskin
> (R/4)
Correspondent:: "NeuroManson" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:07:51 GMT
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What? No Space Cruiser Yamato? What of Captain Harlock's Arcadia? What of
Macross' SDF-1?
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
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> http://www.heinola.org/~tsiergis/muuta/starship.gif
>
> --
> "Slaughter the Infidels!"
> --Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
> "laughter the Infidels!"
> --"Bob"
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 20 Oct 2004 14:26:31 -0700
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"NeuroManson" wrote in message news:...
>>> What? No Space Cruiser Yamato? What of Captain Harlock's Arcadia?
What of
> Macross' SDF-1?
What, no Dobbs Hyperdrive 8 Flying Saucer with the nifty tail fins,
Buick grill, Bobbiehyde seats and sinister wet bar? No Nensletic Space
Bike with Basket of Death and rotating anal probe?
--
HellPope Huey
Job #1: trying to get past the lowest common denominator.
"Under democracy one party always devotes
its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party
is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed and are right...
The United States has never developed
an aristocracy really disinterested
or an intelligentsia really intelligent.
Its history is simply a record of vacillations
between two gangs of frauds."
- H. L. Mencken
"Here's a little number that'll set fire to your trashcan!"
- "The Simpsons"
"HellPopeHuey" wrote in message
news:8cc8cffc.0410201326.375f61b7@posting.google.com...
> What, no Dobbs Hyperdrive 8 Flying Saucer with the nifty tail fins,
> Buick grill, Bobbiehyde seats and sinister wet bar? No Nensletic Space
> Bike with Basket of Death and rotating anal probe?
>
> --
RAIN MAKES APPLESAUCE!
Correspondent:: chaos_israel@antisocial.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel)
Date: 24 Oct 2004 15:19:46 -0700
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hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey) wrote in message news:<8cc8cffc.0410201326.375f61b7@posting.google.com>...
> "NeuroManson" wrote in message news:...
>
> >>> What? No Space Cruiser Yamato? What of Captain Harlock's Arcadia?
> What of
> > Macross' SDF-1?
>
> What, no Dobbs Hyperdrive 8 Flying Saucer with the nifty tail fins,
> Buick grill, Bobbiehyde seats and sinister wet bar? No Nensletic Space
> Bike with Basket of Death and rotating anal probe?
>
> --
>
That thing in the upper-left corner of the Borg Cube, that looks like
a splotch of honeydew melon preserve?
That's what's left of the E.V. Tacticalbuddha.
I blame Matt.
--
C.
> HellPope Huey
> Job #1: trying to get past the lowest common denominator.
>
> "Under democracy one party always devotes
> its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party
> is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed and are right...
> The United States has never developed
> an aristocracy really disinterested
> or an intelligentsia really intelligent.
> Its history is simply a record of vacillations
> between two gangs of frauds."
> - H. L. Mencken
>
> "Here's a little number that'll set fire to your trashcan!"
> - "The Simpsons"
Correspondent:: humanoid Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:13:37 GMT
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:07:51 +0000, NeuroManson wrote:
> What? No Space Cruiser Yamato? What of Captain Harlock's Arcadia? What of
> Macross' SDF-1?
>
As of late I've had a recurring daydream about a ship big enough to allow
several thousand SDF-1 class ships to dock in its internal hangar. I
wonder if it is a sign or Xist interference with my brain.
Correspondent:: asscoassc@aol.com (AssCo Assc)
Date: 21 Oct 2004 08:00:33 GMT
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The Galactic Empire Executor Class is
almost as big as my penis.
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 21 Oct 2004 07:32:04 -0700
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asscoassc@aol.com (AssCo Assc) wrote in message news:<20041021040033.28581.00001960@mb-m20.aol.com>...
> The Galactic Empire Executor Class is
> almost as big as my penis.
On the screen or in real life? We can't make proper fun of you
without knowing the true size of your manhood. ITS ALL ABOUT DICK.
--
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and I approve this message.
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for those who want it."
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