Jon Stewart on Crossfire
Correspondent:: "fenian d'illudium q-36, Rlari."
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:58:14 -0400
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I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
watch. Link:
http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:48:34 GMT
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fenian d'illudium q-36, Rlari. wrote:
> I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
> it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
> watch. Link:
> http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
The court jester was once the only man allowed to criticize the king.
Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
Date: 16 Oct 2004 22:57:17 GMT
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>fenian d'illudium q-36, Rlari. wrote:
>> I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
>
>> it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
>> watch. Link:
>> http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
>
>The court jester was once the only man allowed to criticize the king.
Nice to see we are still living in the 1500's isn't it.
What? Someone thought it was any other way?
--
"As life's constants become relativized, all the certainties we live by become
frighteningly unpredictable for awhile. The payoff, of course, is insight."
Bernard Barrs, 'In the Theatre of Consciousness'
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:29:53 GMT
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KD et al wrote:
>>fenian d'illudium q-36, Rlari. wrote:
>>> I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
>>
>>> it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
>>> watch. Link:
>>> http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
>>
>>The court jester was once the only man allowed to criticize the king.
>
> Nice to see we are still living in the 1500's isn't it.
>
> What? Someone thought it was any other way?
"The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal
society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has only
established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of
struggle in place of the old ones."
Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 01:04:25 GMT
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>The court jester was once the only man allowed to criticize the king.
>>
>> Nice to see we are still living in the 1500's isn't it.
>>
>> What? Someone thought it was any other way?
>
>"The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal
>society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has only
>established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of
>struggle in place of the old ones."
Nice quote ( who's?). Should have also mentioned that our intelligence en
masse seems not to have increased at all.
--
"As life's constants become relativized, all the certainties we live by become
frighteningly unpredictable for awhile. The payoff, of course, is insight."
Bernard Barrs, 'In the Theatre of Consciousness'
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:46:17 GMT
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KD et al wrote:
> Nice quote ( who's?)
Marx or Engels, dunno which since it's from the Manifesto.
Correspondent:: "Rev. Simion Simian"
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:31:32 +0100
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The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. "fenian
d'illudium q-36, Rlari." sat down and wrote
>I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
>it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
>watch. Link:
>http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
That's just beautiful.
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
Date: 16 Oct 2004 22:54:03 GMT
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>I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
>it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
>watch. Link:
>http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
>
Wonderful link. In the usual complete dissonance that life provides me, I
realize
( as I have often before) that I look to a comedian to actually say anything
worth hearing.
Even sadder were that his targets who actually had NO IDEA what he was saying.
--
"As life's constants become relativized, all the certainties we live by become
frighteningly unpredictable for awhile. The payoff, of course, is insight."
Bernard Barrs, 'In the Theatre of Consciousness'
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:34:56 GMT
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KD et al wrote:
>>I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
>>it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
>>watch. Link:
>>http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
>>
>
> Wonderful link. In the usual complete dissonance that life provides me, I
> realize
> ( as I have often before) that I look to a comedian to actually say anything
> worth hearing.
>
> Even sadder were that his targets who actually had NO IDEA what he was saying.
I think they know goddamn well what he was saying.
That's why Tucker Carlson got even more prissily self-righteous than
usual and Paul Begala looked like he wanted to scream "OH GOD, IT's ALL
TRUE, I'M A HACK!" and run, convulsing with sobs, from the public eye.
Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 00:59:29 GMT
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>KD et al wrote:
>>>I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
>
>>>it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
>>>watch. Link:
>>>http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
>>>
>>
>> Wonderful link. In the usual complete dissonance that life provides me, I
>> realize
>> ( as I have often before) that I look to a comedian to actually say
>anything
>> worth hearing.
>>
>> Even sadder were that his targets who actually had NO IDEA what he was
>saying.
>
>I think they know goddamn well what he was saying.
>
>That's why Tucker Carlson got even more prissily self-righteous than
>usual and Paul Begala looked like he wanted to scream "OH GOD, IT's ALL
>TRUE, I'M A HACK!" and run, convulsing with sobs, from the public eye.
I disagree, at least in the case of Mr. bow tie. His points and return attacks
were so off track. Maybe you're correct and he was just completely ignoring it
but it seems to me that if he got it he would have at least refuted *on topic*
rather than pissing off on completely unrelated tangents. It was like Stewart
was speaking alien and all bow tie could do was throw out a robotic array of
responses *as if* Stewart were speaking and responding to Bow Ties alternate
version of reality that was not actually happening.
--
"As life's constants become relativized, all the certainties we live by become
frighteningly unpredictable for awhile. The payoff, of course, is insight."
Bernard Barrs, 'In the Theatre of Consciousness'
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:54:10 GMT
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KD et al wrote:
>>That's why Tucker Carlson got even more prissily self-righteous than
>>usual and Paul Begala looked like he wanted to scream "OH GOD, IT's ALL
>>TRUE, I'M A HACK!" and run, convulsing with sobs, from the public eye.
>
> I disagree, at least in the case of Mr. bow tie.
That's Tucker Carlson.
> His points and return attacks
> were so off track.
It's classic strategy. When someone's saying something you DON'T want
people to be hearing, you reframe and you redirect. Reframing requires
preparation, and Carlson was caught totally off guard, so his only
choice was to redirect.
> Maybe you're correct and he was just completely ignoring it
> but it seems to me that if he got it he would have at least refuted *on topic*
> rather than pissing off on completely unrelated tangents.
That's what redirection looks like when it doesn't work: when the person
who's supposed to be being redirected recognizes the attempt and refuses
to go along with it.
> It was like Stewart
> was speaking alien and all bow tie could do was throw out a robotic array of
> responses *as if* Stewart were speaking and responding to Bow Ties alternate
> version of reality that was not actually happening.
Carlson's a proud conservative. That's what they do. He does it well,
which is why many of them respect him.
Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 02:38:27 GMT
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>That's why Tucker Carlson got even more prissily self-righteous than
>>>usual and Paul Begala looked like he wanted to scream "OH GOD, IT's ALL
>>>TRUE, I'M A HACK!" and run, convulsing with sobs, from the public eye.
>>
>> I disagree, at least in the case of Mr. bow tie.
>
>That's Tucker Carlson.
I figured. ; )
>> His points and return attacks
>> were so off track.
>
>It's classic strategy. When someone's saying something you DON'T want
>people to be hearing, you reframe and you redirect. Reframing requires
>preparation, and Carlson was caught totally off guard, so his only
>choice was to redirect.
To me he just looked stupid. Surely THAT can't be a strategy. I saw it more
as his ego was affronted and he didn't have the wherewithall to come out of
himself enough to make a counter-argument.
>> Maybe you're correct and he was just completely ignoring it
>> but it seems to me that if he got it he would have at least refuted *on
>topic*
>> rather than pissing off on completely unrelated tangents.
>
>That's what redirection looks like when it doesn't work: when the person
>who's supposed to be being redirected recognizes the attempt and refuses
>to go along with it.
Who would go along with it? Its like discussing english and someone answering
in japanese.
I'm mostly kidding, I know smarmy talkers can do it well. I just thought as I
watched it that he really couldn't be employing a tactic, because a much better
tactic would have been to refute successfully on topic and make Stewart look
like an ass. Because you wouldn't really have to be RIGHT or telling the
truth- as Stewart said, "its theatre". All he would have had to do would be to
refute in a way that engendered the correct PERCEPTION in the audience.
>> It was like Stewart
>> was speaking alien and all bow tie could do was throw out a robotic array
>of
>> responses *as if* Stewart were speaking and responding to Bow Ties
>alternate
>> version of reality that was not actually happening.
>Carlson's a proud conservative. That's what they do. He does it well,
>which is why many of them respect him.
I thought he looked like an ass. That can't be redirection done well. But its
probably just me. The rest of the world probably looks at that and says "Why
wouldn't that nasty Jon Stewart respond to Bow Tie's questions?" Of course,
this is why I am only two steps away from becoming Nenslo.
Thought you were right on about Begala.
--
"As life's constants become relativized, all the certainties we live by become
frighteningly unpredictable for awhile. The payoff, of course, is insight."
Bernard Barrs, 'In the Theatre of Consciousness'
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:30:58 GMT
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KD et al wrote:
>>That's why Tucker Carlson got even more prissily self-righteous than
>>>>usual and Paul Begala looked like he wanted to scream "OH GOD, IT's ALL
>>>>TRUE, I'M A HACK!" and run, convulsing with sobs, from the public eye.
>>>
>>> I disagree, at least in the case of Mr. bow tie.
>>
>>That's Tucker Carlson.
>
> I figured. ; )
>
>>> His points and return attacks
>>> were so off track.
>>
>>It's classic strategy. When someone's saying something you DON'T want
>>people to be hearing, you reframe and you redirect. Reframing requires
>>preparation, and Carlson was caught totally off guard, so his only
>>choice was to redirect.
>
> To me he just looked stupid.
It's a show for normal people, and you're not normal.
>>> Maybe you're correct and he was just completely ignoring it
>>> but it seems to me that if he got it he would have at least refuted *on
>>topic*
>>> rather than pissing off on completely unrelated tangents.
>>
>>That's what redirection looks like when it doesn't work: when the person
>>who's supposed to be being redirected recognizes the attempt and refuses
>>to go along with it.
>
> Who would go along with it?
When it's done well, it's FAR more subtle. Boom, next question... which
just so happens to be on an entirely different topic.
In a broadcast interview setting, most "guests" assume the interviewer
has a certain number of questions they want to get through during their
time limit, so they go along with it because they have a guest mentality
- they want to respect the hospitality of their host. Done right, it's
so silky smooth that neither the interviewee nor the audience ever
notices or thinks about it.
Stewart's played the interview game enough that he knows he doesn't have
to be led around by question after irrelevant question. That's all.
> I'm mostly kidding, I know smarmy talkers can do it well.
Any two-bit hack can do it well.
> I just thought as I
> watched it that he really couldn't be employing a tactic, because a much better
> tactic would have been to refute successfully on topic and make Stewart look
> like an ass.
Carlson was ambushed. He had no idea how to respond, and couldn't think
of a thing. Why not? He was panicked; he know Stewart couldn't be more
right. I LOVED it.
>>> It was like Stewart
>>> was speaking alien and all bow tie could do was throw out a robotic array
>>of
>>> responses *as if* Stewart were speaking and responding to Bow Ties
>>alternate
>>> version of reality that was not actually happening.
>
>>Carlson's a proud conservative. That's what they do. He does it well,
>>which is why many of them respect him.
>
> I thought he looked like an ass. That can't be redirection done well. But its
> probably just me.
It isn't. I should have said "He usually does it well..."
> The rest of the world probably looks at that and says "Why
> wouldn't that nasty Jon Stewart respond to Bow Tie's questions?" Of course,
> this is why I am only two steps away from becoming Nenslo.
>
> Thought you were right on about Begala.
Awesome. Wanna fuck?
Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 17:00:56 GMT
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Vertigo wrote:
>> Thought you were right on about Begala.
>
>Awesome. Wanna fuck?
You're just too suave for me.
--
'The favorable action of earthworms is often mocked."
'The Secret Life of
Plants'
Correspondent:: "Anachron"
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 05:01:37 GMT
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"KD et al" wrote in message
news:20041016223827.01852.00002102@mb-m13.aol.com...
> >That's why Tucker Carlson got even more prissily self-righteous than
> >>>usual and Paul Begala looked like he wanted to scream "OH GOD, IT's ALL
> >>>TRUE, I'M A HACK!" and run, convulsing with sobs, from the public eye.
> >Carlson's a proud conservative. That's what they do. He does it well,
> >which is why many of them respect him.
>
> I thought he looked like an ass. That can't be redirection done well.
But its
> probably just me. The rest of the world probably looks at that and says
"Why
> wouldn't that nasty Jon Stewart respond to Bow Tie's questions?" Of
course,
> this is why I am only two steps away from becoming Nenslo.
When accused of being a political hack Carlson's strategy was to compare his
'hard news' show to a comedy show which Stewart appropriately pointed out
with the 'we follow puppets making crank calls' reference but the boy wonder
was unable to comprehend the point or at least pretended he didn't.
Carlson also was upset because Stewart was asking actual hard questions of
the hosts of the 'hard news' show instead of bringing the funny. Maybe
someone beside Jon Stewart should provide this guy with a job description.
--
Rev. Anachron
Correspondent:: "Rev. Simion Simian"
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:04:58 +0100
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The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. KD et al
sat down and wrote
>But its probably just me. The rest of the world probably looks at that
>and says "Why wouldn't that nasty Jon Stewart respond to Bow Tie's
>questions?"
Well if you listened to the audience reaction, they were with Stewart
every step of the way. I think they understood exactly what was going
on.
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 14:22:21 GMT
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Rev. Simeon Simian wrote:
>But its probably just me. The rest of the world probably looks at that
>>and says "Why wouldn't that nasty Jon Stewart respond to Bow Tie's
>>questions?"
>
>Well if you listened to the audience reaction, they were with Stewart
>every step of the way. I think they understood exactly what was going
>on.
I did.
I just know better than to expect that of middle america.
--
"As life's constants become relativized, all the certainties we live by become
frighteningly unpredictable for awhile. The payoff, of course, is insight."
Bernard Barrs, 'In the Theatre of Consciousness'
Correspondent:: "Rev. Simion Simian"
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:01:03 +0100
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The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. KD et al
sat down and wrote
>>Well if you listened to the audience reaction, they were with Stewart
>>every step of the way. I think they understood exactly what was going
>>on.
>
>I did.
>
>I just know better than to expect that of middle america.
I was thinking the audience at a recording of 'Crossfire' would be sort
of middle americaish. You must excuse me I am ignorant foreigner.
We have a 'middle england' here, which seems a fairly similar concept. I
don't meet it much, but when I did half a teacher training course a few
years ago I was thrust into that void. It was impossible to have a
conversation that required any thought.
Can't really blame that for having fifteen seven-year-old kids rioting
behind your back and not even noticing though.
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:29:38 -0700
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On 17 Oct 2004 14:22:21 GMT, kdetal@aol.com (KD et al) wrote:
>Rev. Simeon Simian wrote:
>
>>But its probably just me. The rest of the world probably looks at that
>>>and says "Why wouldn't that nasty Jon Stewart respond to Bow Tie's
>>>questions?"
>>
>>Well if you listened to the audience reaction, they were with Stewart
>>every step of the way. I think they understood exactly what was going
>>on.
>
>I did.
>
>I just know better than to expect that of middle america.
The strange thing is, people as indifiduals are often less stupid then
people en masse.
I am starting to learn that people as individuals are stupider than I
gave them credit for, but even so.
People as a group are not more intelligent than the sum of it's parts,
they are vastly less. The group dynamic seems to throw the social
level of the people in it back in time, back to earlier levels of
evolution. A city council meeting can start to exhibit
characteristics like an old west lynch mob or something out of the
middle ages. A national election will often show characteristics that
are like prehistoric man, like the statistics that say that the taller
candidate always gets elected.
Maybe it's simply that the relatively sophisticated, forebrain
characteristics of people tend to vary more, and so they tend to
cancel each other out in the group statistics. And so it 'peels away'
layers of evolution into the past.
But then some people are more aware of what they do than others.
There's always a tendency to go with the flow of the group, and in
doing so sacrifice your own individual mind to that of the group.
There's a JOY to that for many people.
I think that's why we need politicians, we need an individual who
articulates our views TO the rest of the group. The problem is, as
Stewart was trying to get accross, partisan hacks, who gain their own
power and wealth from the political process, learn to subvert that.
They learn to field candidates who appeal to the regressive instinct
in people, and there are enough "go with the group flow" people out
there that this tends to win elections. Did you see Fahrenheit 9/11?
There's a scene where Bush is talking to a group of the wealthiest
people in the world and he says "You're my BASE!" To me that was the
most chilling scene in the movie.
And that's why we need people like Jon Stewart who have the balls to
speak out. He isn't telling many people what they don't already know,
but by expressing it to the group he stimulates the group to act at a
more intelligent level.
The thing is, it's all about the news media. They control the
process. One thing is very clear, Jon Stewart will never be asked
back on Crossfire.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
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- The Definite Maybe
Correspondent:: "ghost"
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:05 GMT
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"Zapanaz" wrote:
(snip)
> The problem is, as Stewart was trying to get accross, partisan hacks, who
gain their own power and wealth from the political process, learn to subvert
that. They learn to field candidates who appeal to the regressive instinct
in people, and there are enough "go with the group flow" people out
there that this tends to win elections.<
I got a different message from Stewart's attack on Crossfire.
It seems to me that Stewart was saying that by playing up the relentlessly
partisan DRAMA of a Crossfire-type show the caricaturish participants
immediately exclude any potential for real DEBATE. He hit those guys at
where they were most vulnerable... at their stance as "journalists" (sorry,
really needed them quotes)... even making the comparison that their program
is to real debate as professional wrestling is to competition sports.
Whatisname the weenie and bow-tie boy are Republicrat/Demican partisans
before any of the questions they're going to ask. That's the set-up. They
are the classic protagonist/antagonist duality of cheap drama. It just
depends what "side" you're on. And they CAN'T ask any really meaningful
questions of their guests because their pre-assigned roles preclude them
from doing so.
One of my favorite bits from the show was when Carlson (sp?) whined that he
thought Stewart was going to be funny. Stewart was hilarious... playing
those two off against the audience. The audience got it... WE got it.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:21:05 -0700
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:06:05 GMT, "ghost" wrote:
>
>"Zapanaz" wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> The problem is, as Stewart was trying to get accross, partisan hacks, who
>gain their own power and wealth from the political process, learn to subvert
>that. They learn to field candidates who appeal to the regressive instinct
>in people, and there are enough "go with the group flow" people out
>there that this tends to win elections.<
>
>I got a different message from Stewart's attack on Crossfire.
>
>It seems to me that Stewart was saying that by playing up the relentlessly
>partisan DRAMA of a Crossfire-type show the caricaturish participants
>immediately exclude any potential for real DEBATE. He hit those guys at
>where they were most vulnerable... at their stance as "journalists" (sorry,
>really needed them quotes)... even making the comparison that their program
>is to real debate as professional wrestling is to competition sports.
>
>Whatisname the weenie and bow-tie boy are Republicrat/Demican partisans
>before any of the questions they're going to ask. That's the set-up. They
>are the classic protagonist/antagonist duality of cheap drama. It just
>depends what "side" you're on. And they CAN'T ask any really meaningful
>questions of their guests because their pre-assigned roles preclude them
>from doing so.
>
I agree completely. I think most of the unsolvable problems facing
the world -are- solvable, or can at least be dealt with in a far more
ideal way than what the american government does, because people like
them have a vested interest in exacerbating party division, and in
presenting issues purely in terms of us versus them.
>One of my favorite bits from the show was when Carlson (sp?) whined that he
>thought Stewart was going to be funny. Stewart was hilarious... playing
>those two off against the audience. The audience got it... WE got it.
>
The part that really got me, and I wish Stewart had jumped on it (but
they were basically SHOUTING him down so he didn't get much in at all
after the very beginning) first necktie boy is trying to attack
Stewart for being "too soft" and asking wimpy questions of Kerry ...
and then in the next breath he is whining because Stewart is being too
HARD.
I loved the irony of that.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
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Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 17:07:39 -0700
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Zapanaz wrote in message news:<8rc5n0hlr084npeo7nb0hi3485phm5fpn5@4ax.com>...
> I am starting to learn that people as individuals are stupider than I
> gave them credit for, but even so.
There's no such word as "stupider." If you start saying "nook-u-lar,"
I'm gonna CREAM you, as you are one of the precious few left on here
who regularly use proper, cromulent terms.
--
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This church is like watching a 450-pound black waitress
breakdance nude in a wading pool filled with Crisco.
"Kerry works a crowd the same way
Frankenstein's monster worked villagers."
- Nick Gillespie
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Correspondent:: Rev DJ Epoch
Date: 19 Oct 2004 13:21:30 GMT
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hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey) wrote in
news:8cc8cffc.0410171607.2ceef609@posting.google.com:
> Zapanaz wrote in message
> news:<8rc5n0hlr084npeo7nb0hi3485phm5fpn5@4ax.com>...
>
>> I am starting to learn that people as individuals are stupider than I
>> gave them credit for, but even so.
>
> There's no such word as "stupider." If you start saying "nook-u-lar,"
> I'm gonna CREAM you, as you are one of the precious few left on here
> who regularly use proper, cromulent terms.
>
I totally agree with your most flabulent post.
--
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Gotta love it when Texans come to their senses...
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Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:55:42 -0400
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:21:30 +0000, Rev DJ Epoch wrote:
> I totally agree with your most flabulent post.
It's CATCHING!
Correspondent:: rlan538885@aol.comnobozos (RLan538885)
Date: 20 Oct 2004 02:31:17 GMT
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>It's CATCHING!
We're in agreeance.
"100,000 lemmings can't be wrong."
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 16 Oct 2004 20:53:35 -0700
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kdetal@aol.com (KD et al) wrote in message news:<20041016185403.19078.00002699@mb-m29.aol.com>...
> Wonderful link. In the usual complete dissonance that life provides me, I
> realize (as I have often before) that I look to a comedian to actually say anything
> worth hearing.
> > Even sadder were that his targets who actually had NO IDEA what he was saying.
If a candidate were to stand up and speak as John did, he could be
elected EMPEROR, but its pretty much impossible when you have a big
corporate prong in yer mouth. "Liberal media" is a goddamned MYTH,
because you won't have to step more than two positions in any
direction and you'll find some conservative bastard watching the
bottom line as defined by the people who are kept or CHOOSE to remain
ignorant. If they offend the illiterati, they'll buy less PRODUCT out
of self-righteousness; if you INFORM them truthfully, they'll veer off
in disgust. Stupidity = cash.
Therefore, tell them they are the salt of the earth & the guardians
of All That Is Right, that your products will fend off both celibacy
and the odds of spina bifida in their no-neck kids, that their
imagined opponents wear panties and hate Jesus and you've closed the
loop. Fuck the King. Fuck ALL kings. Even Elvis.
IMO, Tucker Carlson got the shit kicked out of him on the schoolyard
for being a yammering Casper and that bow tie is part of his actual
NECK. During the last debate, I watched a tape of "Another Thin Man."
Tempus fidgit.
--
HellPope Huey
Southeastern distributor of Weltshmertz Cola,
for those who prefer their bitterness straight-up
with no lemon twist
Never does the human soul appear so strong and noble
as when it foregoes revenge
and dares to forgive an injury.
- E. H. Chapin
When the dog eats the leftover pizza you're screwed.
When there's a nuclear war you're F**KED.
- Saint Joe Cosby
The Old Guard boots Bush
http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Columns/Editorial/editorial39.htm
Correspondent:: "ghost"
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 23:29:30 GMT
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"fenian d'illudium q-36, Rlari." wrote in message
news:HXfcd.161$XE3.149594@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely
missed
> it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
> watch. Link:
> http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
>
Sig line!
"I'm not going to be your monkey."
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:47:56 -0700
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:58:14 -0400, "fenian d'illudium q-36, Rlari."
wrote:
>I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
>it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
>watch. Link:
>http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
>
BWA
He freaked those poor necktie fuckers out with a little honesty.
And it rolled off their back. Sad but I like his nerve.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"What time is it?"
"I don't know, it keeps changing."
Correspondent:: dblspace@aol.complex-sex (David Langlois --- Ball serves Baal)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 13:38:09 GMT
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Stewart ripped 'em a new one, alright, but they looked as if they couldn't
comprehend what had just happened to them. He was completely over their heads
(not very far to go). This just shows you can influence public opinion without
selling out to the Pink Boy Conspiracy (tm).
David
aka
the Rebi "Slash" Foreskin
(R/4)
Fathom the pain of Being
"I don't need the aggravation, I'm a lazy slob - hang fire!"
America like the cheese that bears its name leaves much to be desired
Conservatives would do well to remember Satan's favorite form of government is
theocracy
Correspondent:: ridetheory@gmail.com (ignatz topo)
Date: 17 Oct 2004 12:35:13 -0700
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"fenian d'illudium q-36, Rlari." wrote in message news:...
> I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
> it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
> watch. Link:
> http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
Thank you so much for posting this. It's official now: I think Jon
Stewart is DREAMY!
iggy
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:10:04 GMT
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ignatz topo wrote:
> "fenian d'illudium q-36, Rlari." wrote in message news:...
>> I'm amazed I haven't seen this posted yet - apologies if I've merely missed
>> it. Jon Stewart ripped the idiots on Crossfire a new one. Sweet as hell to
>> watch. Link:
>> http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831
>
> Thank you so much for posting this. It's official now: I think Jon
> Stewart is DREAMY!
Yes, it's official: all of America is now lined up to lick sensuously at
Jon Stewart's anus.
BY THE WAY, he happens to have a new book out! "America (The Book): A
Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction," available in hardcover and audio
CD, published by Warner Books.
Viacom and Time Warner are laughing their way to the bank right now:
"Yes, Jon, corporate journalism IS a farce! SO WHAT? WHAT IS ANYONE
EVER GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? THEY'RE ALL TOO BUSY DEVOTING EVERY INSTANT
OF THEIR EXISTENCES TO THE PURSUIT OF CONSUMPTION! BWAHAHAHAHA! HERE,
JON, HAVE SOME MORE FAME, CASH, DRUGS, CARS, AND PUSSY! YOU'VE EARNED
IT AND YOU DESERVE IT! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Correspondent:: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
Date: 20 Oct 2004 12:53:00 -0700
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(pardon the awkward, but I'm cross-posting this to a McLuhan blog)
I watched that ‘Jon Stewart On Crossfire'………
I thought it was "funny" that the droids deflected his ‘trying to be
serious and/or political' point by trying to be comedians. (maybe
that's all they always do, I wouldn't know) But "funny" isn't my only
reaction to this kind of instant reversal.
On TV it seems the ground, the rule, the one constant, is
interruption, whether by commercials, credits, or co-hosts. No one
can ‘hold their ground' for longer than a second... and those who can
(be interrupted without being ‘thrown off') exude ‘charisma'. Jon
Stewart held his ground just fine, and got in some nice "live"
insights on what the droids were trying to do with his point. But he
took the final ‘cut-off' just like everyone else does (silently)……… if
anything, his futile attempt to communicate might ring with this
theme: that it all really is theatre, and a bland bland bland theatre
at that.
Facts: they hardly let him say anything, they didn't respond to what
he did say, and they didn't even seem concerned like it might be a
real issue. If a point was made, it was privately in viewer's heads,
and not at all acknowledged. That's not exactly likely to change. I
re-present my conclusions from the Presidential debate experiment:
people who watched the debate on TV, heard it on radio, or monitored
it on the internet were all much more likely to think there was an
actual debate, and to begin to "discuss" (instinctively replay) the
content, than those who ignored it, such as myself. And so: if the
barely-there ‘Jon Stewart on Crossfire' was the most "real" thing on
TV lately, the most "interesting" interruption of the GlowBallTheatre
by "reality", then TURN IT (THE HELL) OFF ALREADY!!!! The excuse:
"it's what people are watching, so I want to know what's being seen"
is wearing thin, and cold winds are blowing…… the TV itself is
completely indifferent to how bitingly critical the viewer is of its
content. As long as you're watching and eating…………