Correspondent:: modemac@modemac.com (Modemac)
Date: 5 Oct 2004 05:12:02 -0700
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Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
Starring none other than the President of the United States
himself...Dubya!
The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
Correspondent:: HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:08:36 -0500
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On 5 Oct 2004 05:12:02 -0700, modemac@modemac.com (Modemac) wrote:
>Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
>video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
>Starring none other than the President of the United States
>himself...Dubya!
>
>The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
>get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>
>http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Faith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>
>"His faith will inspire you!"
Niiiice. But wait! They forgot to add the silent tear of martyrdom to
the profile.
Salacia
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:37:23 -0700
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:08:36 -0500, HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer
wrote:
>On 5 Oct 2004 05:12:02 -0700, modemac@modemac.com (Modemac) wrote:
>
>>Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
>>video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
>>Starring none other than the President of the United States
>>himself...Dubya!
>>
>>The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
>>get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>>
>>http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Faith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>>
>>"His faith will inspire you!"
>
>Niiiice. But wait! They forgot to add the silent tear of martyrdom to
>the profile.
>
Maybe after he loses the election he and his staff can all have a
faith-based koolaid party.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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Correspondent:: "Anachron" Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 15:09:43 GMT
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Modemac" wrote in message
news:b71f73eb.0410050412.7da17645@posting.google.com...
> Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
> video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
> Starring none other than the President of the United States
> himself...Dubya!
>
> The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
> get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>
>
http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Faith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>
> "His faith will inspire you!"
If Bush is unemployed after November maybe he can run for Pope.
--
Rev. Anachron
Correspondent:: Max Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 19:14:54 GMT
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In article ,
"Anachron" wrote:
> Modemac" wrote in message
> news:b71f73eb.0410050412.7da17645@posting.google.com...
> > Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
> > video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
> > Starring none other than the President of the United States
> > himself...Dubya!
> >
> > The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
> > get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
> >
> >
> http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Fa
> ith-in-the-White-House.aspx
> >
> > "His faith will inspire you!"
>
> If Bush is unemployed after November maybe he can run for Pope.
Not sure why y'all make so much fuss about it. It's like getting exited
about choosing between two money-grabbing dumb fat ugly identical twins
in a beauty contest...
Max
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:19:53 GMT
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Max wrote:
> In article ,
> "Anachron" wrote:
>
>> Modemac" wrote in message
>> news:b71f73eb.0410050412.7da17645@posting.google.com...
>> > Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
>> > video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
>> > Starring none other than the President of the United States
>> > himself...Dubya!
>> >
>> > The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
>> > get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>> >
>> http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Fa
>> ith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>> >
>> > "His faith will inspire you!"
>>
>> If Bush is unemployed after November maybe he can run for Pope.
>
> Not sure why y'all make so much fuss about it. It's like getting exited
> about choosing between two money-grabbing dumb fat ugly identical twins
> in a beauty contest...
...except that one of the contestants completely fabricated a threat in
Iraq and sent a few of your buddies there to get filled with shrapnel
while their sworn enemy was in Pakistan eating Doritos and playing Xbox,
all for the noble purpose of making a handful of rich people richer,
among other transgressions.
If they really are the same, we may as well go with the one who hasn't
completely clusterfucked us yet.
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The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
Vertigo sat down and wrote
>...except that one of the contestants completely fabricated a threat in
>Iraq and sent a few of your buddies there to get filled with shrapnel
>while their sworn enemy was in Pakistan eating Doritos and playing
>Xbox, all for the noble purpose of making a handful of rich people
>richer, among other transgressions.
>
>If they really are the same, we may as well go with the one who hasn't
>completely clusterfucked us yet.
In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his approach
to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a special
emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the training
and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death squads or
the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing stuff without
too many American boys having to get involved. I think a lot of high up
people would prefer this approach, which is probably a more Rational
approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:42:58 GMT
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Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
> Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>...except that one of the contestants completely fabricated a threat in
>>Iraq and sent a few of your buddies there to get filled with shrapnel
>>while their sworn enemy was in Pakistan eating Doritos and playing
>>Xbox, all for the noble purpose of making a handful of rich people
>>richer, among other transgressions.
>>
>>If they really are the same, we may as well go with the one who hasn't
>>completely clusterfucked us yet.
>
> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his approach
> to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a special
> emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the training
> and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death squads or
> the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing stuff without
> too many American boys having to get involved. I think a lot of high up
> people would prefer this approach, which is probably a more Rational
> approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 17:02:05 -0700
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:42:58 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
>
>> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
>> Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>>...except that one of the contestants completely fabricated a threat in
>>>Iraq and sent a few of your buddies there to get filled with shrapnel
>>>while their sworn enemy was in Pakistan eating Doritos and playing
>>>Xbox, all for the noble purpose of making a handful of rich people
>>>richer, among other transgressions.
>>>
>>>If they really are the same, we may as well go with the one who hasn't
>>>completely clusterfucked us yet.
>>
>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his approach
>> to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a special
>> emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the training
>> and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death squads or
>> the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing stuff without
>> too many American boys having to get involved. I think a lot of high up
>> people would prefer this approach, which is probably a more Rational
>> approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>
>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
Somebody should talk to the green beanies themselves about all that.
Increasingly they are being called on to act as a kind of little
mini-army of Supermans, which is not what they are or were ever
intended to be ... or ever could be. For training and leading
indiginous guerillas or all the various commando-style behind the
lines type of operations they are in their element, but increasingly
politicos who don't have a clue about what ground combat is or isn't
have been trying to deploy them in force on force actions, which is a
horrid waste, and they don't "count as 1000 men each" or whatever the
fuck the politicos expect of them.
Not that increasing dependance on special ops is a bad idea, it's a
very good idea, but if the plan is kinda "we'll just pull all the
troops out, pull out the tanks and hummers and helicopters and jets,
and replace them with green beanies, and bullets will just bounce off
them and RPG's will always miss and every time they pull the trigger,
3 Iraqis will die" ... then it's not a very good one.
Anyway if that's his plan for how to occupy Iraq, his head is up his
ass.
Still, it's better than Bush's plan for Iraq:
"PRAY MORE"
It makes me very nervous to see Kerry dereferncing Reagan that way.
If his point is "a good idea is a good idea, regardless of whether it
came from 'us' or 'them' ", then I applaud that ... and I know Kerry
has made that a point, subtly, in what I have read from him so far.
But I start to wonder how much of an alternative he intends to be.
Somebody tell me, once and for all, unambiguously; is Kerry going to
get us the hell out of Iraq if he gets elected? Has he made that
point clearly one way or the other?
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
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Peddle that flabby blather in the hinterlands, Grendel
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Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 01:07:11 GMT
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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:42:58 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
>>Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
>>
>>> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
>>> Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>>>...except that one of the contestants completely fabricated a threat in
>>>>Iraq and sent a few of your buddies there to get filled with shrapnel
>>>>while their sworn enemy was in Pakistan eating Doritos and playing
>>>>Xbox, all for the noble purpose of making a handful of rich people
>>>>richer, among other transgressions.
>>>>
>>>>If they really are the same, we may as well go with the one who hasn't
>>>>completely clusterfucked us yet.
>>>
>>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his approach
>>> to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a special
>>> emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the training
>>> and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death squads or
>>> the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing stuff without
>>> too many American boys having to get involved. I think a lot of high up
>>> people would prefer this approach, which is probably a more Rational
>>> approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>>
>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>
> Somebody should talk to the green beanies themselves about all that.
>
> Increasingly they are being called on to act as a kind of little
> mini-army of Supermans, which is not what they are or were ever
> intended to be ... or ever could be. For training and leading
> indiginous guerillas or all the various commando-style behind the
> lines type of operations they are in their element, but increasingly
> politicos who don't have a clue about what ground combat is or isn't
> have been trying to deploy them in force on force actions, which is a
> horrid waste, and they don't "count as 1000 men each" or whatever the
> fuck the politicos expect of them.
>
> Not that increasing dependance on special ops is a bad idea, it's a
> very good idea, but if the plan is kinda "we'll just pull all the
> troops out, pull out the tanks and hummers and helicopters and jets,
> and replace them with green beanies, and bullets will just bounce off
> them and RPG's will always miss and every time they pull the trigger,
> 3 Iraqis will die" ... then it's not a very good one.
>
> Anyway if that's his plan for how to occupy Iraq, his head is up his
> ass.
>
> Still, it's better than Bush's plan for Iraq:
>
> "PRAY MORE"
>
>
>
> It makes me very nervous to see Kerry dereferncing Reagan that way.
> If his point is "a good idea is a good idea, regardless of whether it
> came from 'us' or 'them' ", then I applaud that ... and I know Kerry
> has made that a point, subtly, in what I have read from him so far.
>
> But I start to wonder how much of an alternative he intends to be.
>
> Somebody tell me, once and for all, unambiguously; is Kerry going to
> get us the hell out of Iraq if he gets elected? Has he made that
> point clearly one way or the other?
The campaign has three pretty decent pages on the issue at:
Executive summary: We're getting out ASAP but not before the country
gets fixed, with three pages explaining the nuts and bolts of the
fixing. Emphasis on internationalization and reconstruction.
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:53:02 GMT
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Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
> Zapanaz wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:42:58 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
>>>
>>>> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
>>>> Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>>>>...except that one of the contestants completely fabricated a threat in
>>>>>Iraq and sent a few of your buddies there to get filled with shrapnel
>>>>>while their sworn enemy was in Pakistan eating Doritos and playing
>>>>>Xbox, all for the noble purpose of making a handful of rich people
>>>>>richer, among other transgressions.
>>>>>
>>>>>If they really are the same, we may as well go with the one who hasn't
>>>>>completely clusterfucked us yet.
>>>>
>>>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his approach
>>>> to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a special
>>>> emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the training
>>>> and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death squads or
>>>> the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing stuff without
>>>> too many American boys having to get involved. I think a lot of high up
>>>> people would prefer this approach, which is probably a more Rational
>>>> approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>>>
>>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>>
>> Somebody should talk to the green beanies themselves about all that.
>>
>> Increasingly they are being called on to act as a kind of little
>> mini-army of Supermans, which is not what they are or were ever
>> intended to be ... or ever could be. For training and leading
>> indiginous guerillas or all the various commando-style behind the
>> lines type of operations they are in their element, but increasingly
>> politicos who don't have a clue about what ground combat is or isn't
>> have been trying to deploy them in force on force actions, which is a
>> horrid waste, and they don't "count as 1000 men each" or whatever the
>> fuck the politicos expect of them.
>>
>> Not that increasing dependance on special ops is a bad idea, it's a
>> very good idea, but if the plan is kinda "we'll just pull all the
>> troops out, pull out the tanks and hummers and helicopters and jets,
>> and replace them with green beanies, and bullets will just bounce off
>> them and RPG's will always miss and every time they pull the trigger,
>> 3 Iraqis will die" ... then it's not a very good one.
>>
>> Anyway if that's his plan for how to occupy Iraq, his head is up his
>> ass.
>>
>> Still, it's better than Bush's plan for Iraq:
>>
>> "PRAY MORE"
>>
>>
>>
>> It makes me very nervous to see Kerry dereferncing Reagan that way.
>> If his point is "a good idea is a good idea, regardless of whether it
>> came from 'us' or 'them' ", then I applaud that ... and I know Kerry
>> has made that a point, subtly, in what I have read from him so far.
>>
>> But I start to wonder how much of an alternative he intends to be.
>>
>> Somebody tell me, once and for all, unambiguously; is Kerry going to
>> get us the hell out of Iraq if he gets elected? Has he made that
>> point clearly one way or the other?
>
> The campaign has three pretty decent pages on the issue at:
>
> http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/iraq.html
>
> Executive summary: We're getting out ASAP but not before the country
> gets fixed, with three pages explaining the nuts and bolts of the
> fixing. Emphasis on internationalization and reconstruction.
Oh, shit, you said "unambiguously."
UNAMBIGUITY? In 21ST CENTURY AMERICAN ELECTORAL POLITICS?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:16:54 -0700
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:53:02 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>Oh, shit, you said "unambiguously."
yeah, sorry, I don't know what came over me. Temporary madness. The
dizzy spirit of the debates got to me I guess.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
" Indians are from India, so it was ok for us to run them off, they
had no business being here in a white country anyway"
- SOMEONE A LOT LIKE YOU, NOT SO LONG AGO
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 07 Oct 2004 22:32:16 GMT
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>Executive summary: We're getting out ASAP but not before the country
>gets fixed, with three pages explaining the nuts and bolts of the
>fixing. Emphasis on internationalization and reconstruction.
>
Specaking of that, just read a thing on the web saying 60% or so off all the
Revonstruction Money has been spent on "overhead" and "management"
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 07 Oct 2004 22:30:57 GMT
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>Increasingly they are being called on to act as a kind of little
>mini-army of Supermans, which is not what they are or were ever
>intended to be ... or ever could be. For training and leading
>indiginous guerillas or all the various commando-style behind the
>lines type of operations they are in their element, but increasingly
>politicos who don't have a clue about what ground combat is or isn't
>have been trying to deploy them in force on force actions, which is a
>horrid waste, and they don't "count as 1000 men each" or whatever the
>fuck the politicos expect of them.
>
>Not that increasing dependance on special ops is a bad idea, it's a
>very good idea, but if the plan is kinda "we'll just pull all the
>troops out, pull out the tanks and hummers and helicopters and jets,
>and replace them with green beanies, and bullets will just bounce off
>them and RPG's will always miss and every time they pull the trigger,
>3 Iraqis will die" ... then it's not a very good one.
>
>Anyway if that's his plan for how to occupy Iraq, his head is up his
>ass.
>
>Still, it's better than Bush's plan for Iraq:
>
>"PRAY MORE"
>
>
>
>It makes me very nervous to see Kerry dereferncing Reagan that way.
>If his point is "a good idea is a good idea, regardless of whether it
>came from 'us' or 'them' ", then I applaud that ... and I know Kerry
>has made that a point, subtly, in what I have read from him so far.
>
>But I start to wonder how much of an alternative he intends to be.
I think they are thinking more of Rangers then Green Berets.
But also Light "Leg" infantry can also be an asset ther as well. Too bad Bushie
did not take up the offers from Argentina, Austria, and Germany of Mountain
Troops to assist after 9/11.
--------
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
Vertigo sat down and wrote
>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his
>>approach to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a
>>special emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the
>>training and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death
>>squads or the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing
>>stuff without too many American boys having to get involved. I think
>>a lot of high up people would prefer this approach, which is probably
>>a more Rational approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>
>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces are
about.
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: rander3127 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:26:02 -0400
--------
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:50:11 +0100, "Rev. Simion Simian"
wrote:
>The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
>Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his
>>>approach to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a
>>>special emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the
>>>training and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death
>>>squads or the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing
>>>stuff without too many American boys having to get involved. I think
>>>a lot of high up people would prefer this approach, which is probably
>>>a more Rational approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>>
>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>
>Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces are
>about.
Wars of attrition and guerilla wars are a waste of time.
Better to face weasel forces with the full force of
a real army, not a group of "special forces" or "seals."
Didn't Vietnam teach you anything?
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:17:56 -0700
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On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:26:02 -0400, rander3127
wrote:
>On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:50:11 +0100, "Rev. Simion Simian"
> wrote:
>
>>The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
>>Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his
>>>>approach to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a
>>>>special emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the
>>>>training and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death
>>>>squads or the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing
>>>>stuff without too many American boys having to get involved. I think
>>>>a lot of high up people would prefer this approach, which is probably
>>>>a more Rational approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>>>
>>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>>
>>Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces are
>>about.
>
>Wars of attrition and guerilla wars are a waste of time.
>Better to face weasel forces with the full force of
>a real army, not a group of "special forces" or "seals."
>Didn't Vietnam teach you anything?
rotfl
So, Vietnam taught -you- that guerilla warfare doesn't work?
BWAHAHAHAHA
Thanks I needed a laugh today.
YEAH SOMEBODY BETTER CALL THE VIET CONG UP AND TELL THEM THEY LOST,
HUH?
MURgatroid. You just won some kind of award. FUNNIEST "IT SOUNDED
LIKE IT MADE SENSE WHEN I SAID IT" POST OF THE MONTH AWARD
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"You laugh at ME because I'm different. I laugh at YOU because YOU'RE ALL
THE SAME."
Correspondent:: trotsky Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:10:01 GMT
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in article trl6m0ddde9efe36jjqlaknk5cij7na669@4ax.com, rander3127 at
rander3127@rogers.com wrote on 10/5/04 9:26 PM:
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:50:11 +0100, "Rev. Simion Simian"
> wrote:
>
>> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
>> Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his
>>>> approach to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a
>>>> special emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the
>>>> training and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death
>>>> squads or the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing
>>>> stuff without too many American boys having to get involved. I think
>>>> a lot of high up people would prefer this approach, which is probably
>>>> a more Rational approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>>>
>>> Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>> doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>> SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>> been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>>
>> Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces are
>> about.
>
> Wars of attrition and guerilla wars are a waste of time.
> Better to face weasel forces with the full force of
> a real army, not a group of "special forces" or "seals."
> Didn't Vietnam teach you anything?
I agree. The military action in Iraq was botched from day one.
Correspondent:: shrbw@abertay.ac.uk (Barry Worthington)
Date: 6 Oct 2004 03:28:40 -0700
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rander3127 wrote in message news:...
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:50:11 +0100, "Rev. Simion Simian"
> wrote:
>
> >The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
> >Vertigo sat down and wrote
> >>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his
> >>>approach to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a
> >>>special emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the
> >>>training and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death
> >>>squads or the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing
> >>>stuff without too many American boys having to get involved. I think
> >>>a lot of high up people would prefer this approach, which is probably
> >>>a more Rational approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
> >>
> >>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
> >>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
> >>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
> >>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
> >
> >Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces are
> >about.
>
> Wars of attrition and guerilla wars are a waste of time.
> Better to face weasel forces with the full force of
> a real army, not a group of "special forces" or "seals."
> Didn't Vietnam teach you anything?
Not to fight pointless wars that you can't win?
Dr. Barry Worthington
Correspondent:: trotsky Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:15:06 GMT
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in article 7979e864.0410060228.50521855@posting.google.com, Barry
Worthington at shrbw@abertay.ac.uk wrote on 10/6/04 5:28 AM:
> rander3127 wrote in message
> news:...
>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:50:11 +0100, "Rev. Simion Simian"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
>>> Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>>>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his
>>>>> approach to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a
>>>>> special emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the
>>>>> training and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death
>>>>> squads or the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing
>>>>> stuff without too many American boys having to get involved. I think
>>>>> a lot of high up people would prefer this approach, which is probably
>>>>> a more Rational approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>>>>
>>>> Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>>> doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>>> SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>>> been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>>>
>>> Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces are
>>> about.
>>
>> Wars of attrition and guerilla wars are a waste of time.
>> Better to face weasel forces with the full force of
>> a real army, not a group of "special forces" or "seals."
>> Didn't Vietnam teach you anything?
>
> Not to fight pointless wars that you can't win?
Rich does that with his own brain every day.
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 6 Oct 2004 08:24:47 -0700
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rander3127 wrote in message news:...
>>> Didn't Vietnam teach you anything?
Yes. It taught me that Our Leaders are full of oom galla-galla
because they did not change the same tactics that got the British and
the French before them handed their asses. Worse yet, these
blunt-trauma assholes have used the same old WWII-think process in
Iraq, ignoring history from several angles, which is part of why
everyone involved is being made to snack on Crap Toasties and why I
have a pencil holder that resembles GeeDubya melded with a jackass.
Hell, if that chimpanzee-faced showing he made in the debates doesn't
get him booted, we deserve to have NIXON back and he's DEAD.
--
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That's what you get when
your mama smokes during gestation
and then weans you on limes.
I loathe people who keep dogs.
They are cowards who haven't got the guts
to bite people themselves.
- August Strindberg
"And God said:
You are not serving me, you're serving something else
Cause I don't need to be pleased, just get over yourself
You can't suck up to me, I know you all too well
But I don't dwell upon you, so get over yourself
Cause you're not praying to me, you're praying to yourself
And you're not worshipping me you're worshipping yourself
And you will kill in my name and heaven knows what else
When you can't prove I exist so get over yourself."
- Todd Rundgren, "God Said"
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 07 Oct 2004 22:34:36 GMT
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>Wars of attrition and guerilla wars are a waste of time.
>Better to face weasel forces with the full force of
>a real army, not a group of "special forces" or "seals."
>Didn't Vietnam teach you anything?
>
Yea, don;t start a war withour understanding what your getting into.
Don't just think you Sec of DEF that you know more then all thse Generals who
spent 20+ years in the Military.
Don;t start a war based on lie and deciete
Act Like a Dumbshit and they Treat you like an Equal.
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:01:37 GMT
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Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
> Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his
>>>approach to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a
>>>special emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the
>>>training and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death
>>>squads or the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing
>>>stuff without too many American boys having to get involved. I think
>>>a lot of high up people would prefer this approach, which is probably
>>>a more Rational approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>>
>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>
> Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces are
> about.
I wish I had shittons of money and a crappy book so I could send free
copies of it to posters who I think GET IT, as if I were Bill O fuckin'
Reilly.
Actually, now that I think about it, I don't wish that.
Why do talk show hosts send free copies of their books to callers who
they think GET IT? All GETTING IT means is that you think they see the
world in the same way you do.
These people have probably read every word the host ever scribbled
already anyway. They're such fucking fanatical fans, they'll spend
hours on hold for a chance to ask one question or make one quick point.
It takes gall to send someone a copy of your book and use it as a reward
for a Good Call. It's as if you're saying, "here, mortal, you have
shown a glimmer of the wisdom necessary to comprehend my genius."
Anyway, if I could and did send books, you'd get one. For what that's
worth.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:18:09 -0700
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:01:37 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>Why do talk show hosts send free copies of their books to callers who
>they think GET IT?
Did you ever see "State and Main"?
For the same reason movie producers give their secretaries "Associate
Producer" credits.
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Correspondent:: elrous0@pop.uky.edu (Eric R.)
Date: 6 Oct 2004 13:49:32 -0700
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Cardinal Vertigo wrote in message news:...
> Why do talk show hosts send free copies of their books to callers who
> they think GET IT? All GETTING IT means is that you think they see the
> world in the same way you do.
It's their way of encouraging callers to remind them of their own
greatness.
"I'll send you a book telling you how brilliant I am if you'll tell me
on air just how brilliant I am."
The funny thing is, if surveys are to be believed, O'Reilly's audience
is significantly more stupid than the average population. Makes sense
to me.
-Eric
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:11:35 GMT
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Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
> Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>> In the debate thing the other day Kerry said he would model his
>>>approach to the war on terriers on that of Kennedy and Reagan, with a
>>>special emphasis on 'special forces'. I can only think that means the
>>>training and support of paramilitary groups like the Guatemalan death
>>>squads or the Contras in the 80s, who'll do all the nasty killing
>>>stuff without too many American boys having to get involved. I think
>>>a lot of high up people would prefer this approach, which is probably
>>>a more Rational approach to the maintenance of Imperial power.
>>
>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>
> Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces are
> about.
Dirty war? Show me a clean war, for fuck's sake. And proxy war is CIA,
not SOCOM.
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The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
Vertigo sat down and wrote
>>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week
>>>about doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green
>>>Berets, the SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a
>>>good one) has been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>> Yup, absolutely - dirty war and proxy war are what Special Forces
>>are about.
>Dirty war? Show me a clean war, for fuck's sake. And proxy war is CIA,
>not SOCOM.
It's Special Forces who do most of the training for proxy wars, for
instance in Colombia at the moment. I should have put inverted commas
around the term "dirty war" - which I understand to mean assassinations,
torture, and other forms of 'deniable' action.
Kerry supported the Nicaraguan contras, one of the most vile terrorist
groups that ever existed. I dunno - from this side of the Atlantic I
really don't know which of the two candidates I'd prefer not to lose.
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: Ronald Cole Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:56:18 -0700
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Cardinal Vertigo writes:
> Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
> doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
> SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one)
> has been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
Did you watch the same debate that I did? Were you paying close
attention? Kerry spoke out of both sides of his mouth the whole time.
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Correspondent:: "ArWeGod" Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:00:05 GMT
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"Ronald Cole" wrote in message
news:m3ekkcs83h.fsf@yakisoba.forte-intl.com...
> Cardinal Vertigo writes:
> > Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week
about
> > doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
> > SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one)
> > has been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>
> Did you watch the same debate that I did? Were you paying close
> attention? Kerry spoke out of both sides of his mouth the whole time.
>
And Bush spoke out his ass. What's your point?
--
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Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:09:05 -0700
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On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:00:05 GMT, "ArWeGod"
wrote:
>"Ronald Cole" wrote in message
>news:m3ekkcs83h.fsf@yakisoba.forte-intl.com...
>> Cardinal Vertigo writes:
>> > Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week
>about
>> > doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>> > SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one)
>> > has been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>>
>> Did you watch the same debate that I did? Were you paying close
>> attention? Kerry spoke out of both sides of his mouth the whole time.
>>
>
>And Bush spoke out his ass. What's your point?
If you watch closely, Cheney speaks out of his nostrils. There's just
something unnatural about that.
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something nobody in this bar has ever seen before?" The kangaroo says
"I'm waiting for a genie." A monkey gets close to the kangaroo and says
"Give me a hundred bucks and I'll pull down your pants."
So the kangaroo says "Paint my house."
Correspondent:: "ArWeGod" Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:17:57 GMT
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"Zapanaz" wrote in message
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> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:00:05 GMT, "ArWeGod"
> wrote:
>
> >"Ronald Cole" wrote in message
> >news:m3ekkcs83h.fsf@yakisoba.forte-intl.com...
> >> Cardinal Vertigo writes:
> >> > Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week
> >about
> >> > doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets,
the
> >> > SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good
one)
> >> > has been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
> >>
> >> Did you watch the same debate that I did? Were you paying close
> >> attention? Kerry spoke out of both sides of his mouth the whole
time.
> >>
> >
> >And Bush spoke out his ass. What's your point?
>
> If you watch closely, Cheney speaks out of his nostrils. There's just
> something unnatural about that.
Those aren't nostrils! Those are the tendrils of the NHGH that pierce
into his "brain" to control the fate of the World. You have to look
closely.
--
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Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:07:04 GMT
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Ronald Cole wrote:
> Did you watch the same debate that I did? Were you paying close
> attention? Kerry spoke out of both sides of his mouth the whole time.
>
You fucking idiot.
Kerry: "I also intend to double the number of special forces so that we
can do the job we need to do with respect fighting the terrorists around
the world."
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 07 Oct 2004 22:27:59 GMT
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>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
In the last few years of the Soviets was in Afghanistan, thier Special Forces
had lots of Success against the Muljaden. The only proble was the Stinger
Missle supplied by the US made it hard to provide CAS when teh Soviets had the
Mujhadin cornered.
Also made it hard to extract them. The Stinger won that war. Lets hope they
cannot buy any more Stingers or the newer Soviet/Chinese equialents on the open
market.
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 02:29:06 GMT
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Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>
> In the last few years of the Soviets was in Afghanistan, thier Special Forces
> had lots of Success against the Muljaden. The only proble was the Stinger
> Missle supplied by the US made it hard to provide CAS when teh Soviets had the
> Mujhadin cornered.
>
> Also made it hard to extract them. The Stinger won that war. Lets hope they
> cannot buy any more Stingers or the newer Soviet/Chinese equialents on the open
> market.
RPGs may prove to be enough.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:56:38 -0700
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 02:29:06 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>>Or maybe Kerry means what he referred to in the debate last week about
>>>doubling the capacity of the Special Forces -- the Green Berets, the
>>>SEALs, and Force Recon. The campaign promise (and it's a good one) has
>>>been on www.johnkerry.com for I don't know how long.
>>
>> In the last few years of the Soviets was in Afghanistan, thier Special Forces
>> had lots of Success against the Muljaden. The only proble was the Stinger
>> Missle supplied by the US made it hard to provide CAS when teh Soviets had the
>> Mujhadin cornered.
>>
>> Also made it hard to extract them. The Stinger won that war. Lets hope they
>> cannot buy any more Stingers or the newer Soviet/Chinese equialents on the open
>> market.
>
>RPGs may prove to be enough.
like dungeons and dragons?
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Correspondent:: elrous0@pop.uky.edu (Eric R.)
Date: 8 Oct 2004 05:56:11 -0700
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Zapanaz wrote in message news:<2d0cm0p3t89650ev8ld44980mfukpqbec3@4ax.com>...
> >RPGs may prove to be enough.
>
> like dungeons and dragons?
That might work too.
-Eric
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 09 Oct 2004 01:26:05 GMT
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>RPGs may prove to be enough.
Yes. They have alrady gotten afew CH-47's with RPG's.
The modifications developed in Afghanistan in the 1980's to allow a RPG round
to explode on contact (as apposed to slight delay built into them for ant-tank
purposes) were passed on to Islmaic fighters all over the world. To include
Somolia.
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:07:00 GMT
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Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>RPGs may prove to be enough.
>
> Yes. They have alrady gotten afew CH-47's with RPG's.
>
> The modifications developed in Afghanistan in the 1980's to allow a RPG round
> to explode on contact (as apposed to slight delay built into them for ant-tank
> purposes) were passed on to Islmaic fighters all over the world. To include
> Somolia.
The RPG is one of the finest weapons systems to come out of the Cold War
because it's so versatile. More than once, desperate and starving
people with crappy training and worse funding have held off
zillion-dollar war machines using only secondhand RPGs and AK-47s.
I hadn't heard about any warhead mods but I knew there was a bit of a
technique to using an RPG as a SAM, which the mujahadeen also spread
throughout the Islamic world.
You have to dig a trench behind you to channel the round's exhaust away,
and since the round doesn't have much guidance to speak of, there's a
certain knack to leading your target correctly. It's still simple
enough that, with five minutes' training, even an undereducated and
malnourished teenage kid can do it. (That's also what makes the AK-47 a
great weapon: it's cheap, it's braindead simple, and it handles abuse well.)
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:00:38 -0700
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On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:07:00 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>>RPGs may prove to be enough.
>>
>> Yes. They have alrady gotten afew CH-47's with RPG's.
>>
>> The modifications developed in Afghanistan in the 1980's to allow a RPG round
>> to explode on contact (as apposed to slight delay built into them for ant-tank
>> purposes) were passed on to Islmaic fighters all over the world. To include
>> Somolia.
>
>The RPG is one of the finest weapons systems to come out of the Cold War
>because it's so versatile. More than once, desperate and starving
>people with crappy training and worse funding have held off
>zillion-dollar war machines using only secondhand RPGs and AK-47s.
>
>I hadn't heard about any warhead mods but I knew there was a bit of a
>technique to using an RPG as a SAM, which the mujahadeen also spread
>throughout the Islamic world.
>
>You have to dig a trench behind you to channel the round's exhaust away,
>and since the round doesn't have much guidance to speak of, there's a
>certain knack to leading your target correctly. It's still simple
>enough that, with five minutes' training, even an undereducated and
>malnourished teenage kid can do it. (That's also what makes the AK-47 a
>great weapon: it's cheap, it's braindead simple, and it handles abuse well.)
Well for hitting helicopters, anyway.
The thing about helicopters though is that, although the Army loves
them, they are really death traps. As long as you aren't using them
somewhere that there is good ground to air fire they are loads of fun
for deploying troops and blowing stuff up, but if there is any kind of
effective return fire you can pretty well kiss your butt goodbye.
They're big, slow targets and they're easy to break.
The RPG is really not at all an accurate weapon. It's accurate
enough, for what it does, but if you can hit a helicopter with one,
then you could hit a helicopter with anything that could hit the broad
side of a barn.
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Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:41:17 GMT
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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:07:00 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
>
>>Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>>>RPGs may prove to be enough.
>>>
>>> Yes. They have alrady gotten afew CH-47's with RPG's.
>>>
>>> The modifications developed in Afghanistan in the 1980's to allow a RPG round
>>> to explode on contact (as apposed to slight delay built into them for ant-tank
>>> purposes) were passed on to Islmaic fighters all over the world. To include
>>> Somolia.
>>
>>The RPG is one of the finest weapons systems to come out of the Cold War
>>because it's so versatile. More than once, desperate and starving
>>people with crappy training and worse funding have held off
>>zillion-dollar war machines using only secondhand RPGs and AK-47s.
>>
>>I hadn't heard about any warhead mods but I knew there was a bit of a
>>technique to using an RPG as a SAM, which the mujahadeen also spread
>>throughout the Islamic world.
>>
>>You have to dig a trench behind you to channel the round's exhaust away,
>>and since the round doesn't have much guidance to speak of, there's a
>>certain knack to leading your target correctly. It's still simple
>>enough that, with five minutes' training, even an undereducated and
>>malnourished teenage kid can do it. (That's also what makes the AK-47 a
>>great weapon: it's cheap, it's braindead simple, and it handles abuse well.)
>
> Well for hitting helicopters, anyway.
Nah, you can do all kinds of damage to all kinds of expensive hardware
using an RPG or two. From the point of view of the guy with the RPG,
that's the whole point of your war: make it too expensive for your enemy
to continue. Your philosophy is therefore to destroy as much expensive
hardware and/or kill as many of their soldiers as cheaply as possible.
RPGs are the perfect tool for the first job. The second job is where
the AK-47 comes in, but I'm digressing horribly.
The RPG was designed as an anti-tank missile, after all. Any unarmored
or lightly armored vehicle will be toast in one shot. A good shot with
good intel on the weak points of the armor on that particular type of
tank can even kill a modern battle tank with one round. You just have
to know which spot to aim for.
The Soviets played around with a reactive armor system to defend their
tanks against anti-tank missiles, and the Pentagon is doing the same
thing now, but even the best reactive armor system can be easily
defeated by a team of two RPG gunners. The rebels or terrorists or
freedom fighters (or whatever we're calling them now) in Chechnya were
doing it to the Russian army's reactive-armored tanks years ago.
> The thing about helicopters though is that, although the Army loves
> them, they are really death traps. As long as you aren't using them
> somewhere that there is good ground to air fire they are loads of fun
> for deploying troops and blowing stuff up, but if there is any kind of
> effective return fire you can pretty well kiss your butt goodbye.
>
> They're big, slow targets and they're easy to break.
>
> The RPG is really not at all an accurate weapon. It's accurate
> enough, for what it does, but if you can hit a helicopter with one,
> then you could hit a helicopter with anything that could hit the broad
From the point of view of someone armed with an RPG, that's the enemy's
problem.
All the serious militaries upgraded their anti-tank weapons years ago.
The Pentagon's current shoulder-fired anti-tank missile is a
technological wonder despite its age.
But all the old Warsaw Pact countries got flooded with RPGs after the
Soviet military's fire sale. Tinpot dictators worldwide love 'em too,
and churn them out by the thousands... not because they're great
antitank missiles, but because they're light, they're cheap, they last
forever, they're incredibly durable, they perform adequately even when
they're in poor repair, and the design is deliberately braindead simple
to manufacture. So they're dirt cheap and easy to acquire in most parts
of the world.
All those qualities happen to make the RPG a great weapon for an
insurgency, which often has to arm skinny teenagers who have five
minutes of combat training.
The RPG and the AK-47 together make it possible for a ragtag insurgency
with no funding to fight a defensive war against a multitrillion-dollar
state-of-the-art war machine -- and win. That's what makes them good
weapons.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:27:58 -0700
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:41:17 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>Zapanaz wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:07:00 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>>>>RPGs may prove to be enough.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. They have alrady gotten afew CH-47's with RPG's.
>>>>
>>>> The modifications developed in Afghanistan in the 1980's to allow a RPG round
>>>> to explode on contact (as apposed to slight delay built into them for ant-tank
>>>> purposes) were passed on to Islmaic fighters all over the world. To include
>>>> Somolia.
>>>
>>>The RPG is one of the finest weapons systems to come out of the Cold War
>>>because it's so versatile. More than once, desperate and starving
>>>people with crappy training and worse funding have held off
>>>zillion-dollar war machines using only secondhand RPGs and AK-47s.
>>>
>>>I hadn't heard about any warhead mods but I knew there was a bit of a
>>>technique to using an RPG as a SAM, which the mujahadeen also spread
>>>throughout the Islamic world.
>>>
>>>You have to dig a trench behind you to channel the round's exhaust away,
>>>and since the round doesn't have much guidance to speak of, there's a
>>>certain knack to leading your target correctly. It's still simple
>>>enough that, with five minutes' training, even an undereducated and
>>>malnourished teenage kid can do it. (That's also what makes the AK-47 a
>>>great weapon: it's cheap, it's braindead simple, and it handles abuse well.)
>>
>> Well for hitting helicopters, anyway.
>
>Nah, you can do all kinds of damage to all kinds of expensive hardware
>using an RPG or two. From the point of view of the guy with the RPG,
>that's the whole point of your war: make it too expensive for your enemy
>to continue. Your philosophy is therefore to destroy as much expensive
>hardware and/or kill as many of their soldiers as cheaply as possible.
>RPGs are the perfect tool for the first job. The second job is where
>the AK-47 comes in, but I'm digressing horribly.
>
>The RPG was designed as an anti-tank missile, after all. Any unarmored
>or lightly armored vehicle will be toast in one shot. A good shot with
>good intel on the weak points of the armor on that particular type of
>tank can even kill a modern battle tank with one round. You just have
>to know which spot to aim for.
>
>The Soviets played around with a reactive armor system to defend their
>tanks against anti-tank missiles, and the Pentagon is doing the same
>thing now, but even the best reactive armor system can be easily
>defeated by a team of two RPG gunners. The rebels or terrorists or
>freedom fighters (or whatever we're calling them now) in Chechnya were
>doing it to the Russian army's reactive-armored tanks years ago.
>
waitwaitwaitwaitwait
You are well-informed on a number of points, but.
I used to be a scout. We would go on live wargames in Germany. MILES
gear, big high-budget wars that would give Arnold Schwarzenegger an
erection.
We were still in M113's, we didn't have the Bradleys yet. Every once
in a while we would hit heavy armor in the open, and it's like
striking a match.
The colonel used to come on the radio and say "ARE THE SCOUTS DEAD
AGAIN?"
It was just that quick.
High-tailing an M113 across open terrain where heavy armor contact is
likely is a retarded mongoloid's move, but my NCO's, like most of the
human race, were retarded mongoloids.
(Bradleys against heavy armor are no better off).
At night though. We would go out on foot into the German woods.
It was dangerous, and probably we could have been court martialled for
it (unexploded munitions and all tha). Small groups of us, just ones
who like the idea of going around killing things. No official
anything.
We would creep through the woods.
We knew the general direction of the enemy, so it's really just a
question of creeping. Eventually we would get up on them. The thing
is, if you're looking for them, but they don't really expect to see
you, you win. As Miyamoto Musashi put it (paraphrasing ... cause I
don't have the book handy):
"When you go into a house and there's a thief in there, it's natural
to think of the thief as if he were an impregnable army in a castle.
The reality is, you are the hawk, and he is the mouse."
(Well, wildly paraphrased)
There'd be one nervous, bored, tired slob on gaurd duty. I mean just
think about it. HE doesn't expect to get hit. He knows MAYBE he'll
get hit .. but will he? And WHEN? And from WHERE? And meanwhile
he's tired and bored and pissed he's on gaurd duty. In short, he
can't stay attentive for his 4-hour shift, not r eally. I have been
on the other side, you can't stay alert that long.
So we would hear him tromping around angrily, whistling, smoking,
farting.
So we go around him, and walk up on the tank.
We would wrap a piece of paper around a rock, and drop the rock into
the tank's top hatch. The piece of paper said "BOOM!" on it.
Then we would open fire with our m-16's firing blanks at the crew all
on the ground.
The POINT of all that?
A persistent enemy with a fucking ROCK can defeat a million dollars
worth of high technology.
Willingness and will are what win wars.
An RPG can be a devastating weapon and, as you say, can defeat
millions of dollars in high technology equipment.
It isn't down to some intrinsic value in the RPG though. The
Soviet-era RPG is basically a 66-mm grenade with a shaped-charge tip
mounted on a stick. 30$ each nowadays.
It's a piece of shit weapon.
It's the will, to keep fighting in the face of horrific casualties,
that make it deadly.
>> The thing about helicopters though is that, although the Army loves
>> them, they are really death traps. As long as you aren't using them
>> somewhere that there is good ground to air fire they are loads of fun
>> for deploying troops and blowing stuff up, but if there is any kind of
>> effective return fire you can pretty well kiss your butt goodbye.
>>
>> They're big, slow targets and they're easy to break.
>>
>> The RPG is really not at all an accurate weapon. It's accurate
>> enough, for what it does, but if you can hit a helicopter with one,
>> then you could hit a helicopter with anything that could hit the broad
>
> From the point of view of someone armed with an RPG, that's the enemy's
>problem.
>
>All the serious militaries upgraded their anti-tank weapons years ago.
>The Pentagon's current shoulder-fired anti-tank missile is a
>technological wonder despite its age.
>
>But all the old Warsaw Pact countries got flooded with RPGs after the
>Soviet military's fire sale. Tinpot dictators worldwide love 'em too,
>and churn them out by the thousands... not because they're great
>antitank missiles, but because they're light, they're cheap, they last
>forever, they're incredibly durable, they perform adequately even when
>they're in poor repair, and the design is deliberately braindead simple
>to manufacture. So they're dirt cheap and easy to acquire in most parts
>of the world.
>
>All those qualities happen to make the RPG a great weapon for an
>insurgency, which often has to arm skinny teenagers who have five
>minutes of combat training.
>
>The RPG and the AK-47 together make it possible for a ragtag insurgency
>with no funding to fight a defensive war against a multitrillion-dollar
>state-of-the-art war machine -- and win. That's what makes them good
>weapons.
Well just for the record:
The RPG is NO USE AT ALL against heavy armor, in any kind of
"conventional" situation. Forget reactive armor. US-style Chobham
armor is unquestonably superior in an armor role.
The only way an RPG can kill a tank is to hit it somewhere
unprotected. Like the engine grill. Which necessitates you are
getting a shot at the REAR of the tank.
Which comes down, really, again, to the above. The will to shrug off
casualties and creep up with that knife between your slavering teeth
until you get close enough to do some damage.
That's what wins wars.
If you run out of RPG's, fill a beer bottle with gasoline. SEAL * the
top, and wrap a piece of rag soaked with gasoline around the neck. and
just drop the fucker on a tank.
All the espreedecore in the world goes right out the window when you
are in an enclosed space surrounded by steel taking a shower in
burning gasoline.
20 cents.
Who dares, wins.
(boy howdy that sure went off on a macho gung ho tangent, didn't it?)
*
Again, just for the record:
DO NOT
Do what you see in the movies, and stuff the rag down IN to the
gasoline. It will blow up in your hands and you will die horribly.
When the bottle BREAKS, the gasoline will come out. You don't -want-
it to before then.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
I always say I'd much rather be around someone who comes right out and
admits he's a hateful intolerant son of a bitch than someone who's
always calling people down for not coming up to their noble standards
while pretending it's for everybody's benefit.
- nenslo
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:43:49 GMT
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Zapanaz wrote:
[snip]
> Which comes down, really, again, to the above. The will to shrug off
> casualties and creep up with that knife between your slavering teeth
> until you get close enough to do some damage.
>
> That's what wins wars.
>
> If you run out of RPG's, fill a beer bottle with gasoline. SEAL * the
> top, and wrap a piece of rag soaked with gasoline around the neck. and
> just drop the fucker on a tank.
>
> All the espreedecore in the world goes right out the window when you
> are in an enclosed space surrounded by steel taking a shower in
> burning gasoline.
>
> 20 cents.
>
> Who dares, wins.
[snip]
You're right. The willingness to win a war -- and make no mistake, it's
the willingness of the people fighting in it and no one else -- is what
wins wars. It's the eye of the tiger, man. I recognize that about as
well as I think a civilian can.
But if I'm responsible for soldiers who are untrained (like the people
most desperate to win will be) and not operating under the most ideal
circumstances (like the people most desperate to win will be), and I'm
fighting a war of financial attrition against a global empire on a
shoestring budget, I want AK-47s and RPG-7s in those soldiers' hands.
They're fantastic tools for a certain job and often make that job
possible when an army's sheer will might not; that's all I was saying.
But in the end they are just tools for a job.
> DO NOT
>
> Do what you see in the movies, and stuff the rag down IN to the
> gasoline. It will blow up in your hands and you will die horribly.
>
> When the bottle BREAKS, the gasoline will come out. You don't -want-
> it to before then.
More like fifty cents' worth, lately, and goin' nowhere but up in the
long term. Buy and hold, yuppies.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:43:08 -0700
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:43:49 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>Zapanaz wrote:
>[snip]
>> Which comes down, really, again, to the above. The will to shrug off
>> casualties and creep up with that knife between your slavering teeth
>> until you get close enough to do some damage.
>>
>> That's what wins wars.
>>
>> If you run out of RPG's, fill a beer bottle with gasoline. SEAL * the
>> top, and wrap a piece of rag soaked with gasoline around the neck. and
>> just drop the fucker on a tank.
>>
>> All the espreedecore in the world goes right out the window when you
>> are in an enclosed space surrounded by steel taking a shower in
>> burning gasoline.
>>
>> 20 cents.
>>
>> Who dares, wins.
>[snip]
>
>You're right. The willingness to win a war -- and make no mistake, it's
>the willingness of the people fighting in it and no one else -- is what
>wins wars. It's the eye of the tiger, man. I recognize that about as
>well as I think a civilian can.
>
>But if I'm responsible for soldiers who are untrained (like the people
>most desperate to win will be) and not operating under the most ideal
>circumstances (like the people most desperate to win will be), and I'm
>fighting a war of financial attrition against a global empire on a
>shoestring budget, I want AK-47s and RPG-7s in those soldiers' hands.
>
yeah an AK especially. Talk to guys that were in Vietnam under
conditions where a weapon is exposed to a lot of harsh service, and
ask them. They will be like a toothpaste commercial for AK's.
They'll tell you.
"I didn't brush, I didn't floss, but my AK kept rockin'!"
or what have you.
AK 47, very nice weapon.
like three moving parts or something. A mystery of science.
>They're fantastic tools for a certain job and often make that job
>possible when an army's sheer will might not; that's all I was saying.
>But in the end they are just tools for a job.
>
> > DO NOT
> >
> > Do what you see in the movies, and stuff the rag down IN to the
> > gasoline. It will blow up in your hands and you will die horribly.
> >
> > When the bottle BREAKS, the gasoline will come out. You don't -want-
> > it to before then.
>
>More like fifty cents' worth, lately, and goin' nowhere but up in the
>long term. Buy and hold, yuppies.
whoop.
Yeah I forgot the price of gas.
Stock up on crates of rubbing alchohol.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
>does this mean that if there was no wine in france (and no consommers
>of) the graet revolution could have be done since a long time ?
No, if there were no wine in france you'd be belgium.
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:54:17 GMT
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Zapanaz wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:43:49 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> wrote:
[snip]
>>But if I'm responsible for soldiers who are untrained (like the people
>>most desperate to win will be) and not operating under the most ideal
>>circumstances (like the people most desperate to win will be), and I'm
>>fighting a war of financial attrition against a global empire on a
>>shoestring budget, I want AK-47s and RPG-7s in those soldiers' hands.
>
> yeah an AK especially. Talk to guys that were in Vietnam under
> conditions where a weapon is exposed to a lot of harsh service, and
> ask them. They will be like a toothpaste commercial for AK's.
> They'll tell you.
>
> "I didn't brush, I didn't floss, but my AK kept rockin'!"
>
> or what have you.
>
> AK 47, very nice weapon.
>
> like three moving parts or something. A mystery of science.
I know a guy who did two tours in Nam and was at Da Nang during Tet. He
likes video games and has been known to sit down and play so-called
'realistic war games' and Vietnam games now and then, even though he
doesn't really talk about Nam all that much, let alone combat.
Now, there's a new video game out called "Shellshock: Nam '67." The ads
are promoting it as being TOO REALISTIC FOR YOU TO FUCKING DEAL WITH,
YOU GAME-PLAYING CIVILIAN STONER PUSSY (RATED M FOR MATURE).
This vet watched the Playstation 1 version of this game being played at
a party for about five minutes before he made a joke about PTSD and
excused himself to go mingle in the kitchen, so perhaps there is some
truth to the marketing.
I told all these things to my roommate and naturally he bought the Xbox
version of the game the next day.
And they made the AK-47 the best assault rifle you can get, hands down.
A smart grunt picks up the first AK he comes across even if he really
does have to pry it from someone's cold, dead hands.
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 13 Oct 2004 23:52:32 GMT
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>And they made the AK-47 the best assault rifle you can get, hands down.
> A smart grunt picks up the first AK he comes across even if he really
>does have to pry it from someone's cold, dead hands.
>
he AK's only assests were it being rugged and dependable.
Ballisticly, it was inferior to the The M-14 and the M-16A1
The effectic range (described as the range at which an average shooter had a
50% chance of hitting the target) was only 250 to 300 meters.
The M-16 was effective to 450 meters (and the newer M-16A3 to 550 meters)
The short range was the cuased by it AK's short barrel and the obsolete 7.62mm
cartridge used (was the same round the Czars army used in WWI)
In 1974, the Soviets started to field the AK-74. Nased upon ballistic tests of
M-16's captured in Vietnam. The Soviets became impressed by the damage the
5.56mm round did So they developed their own 5.45mm high velocity round.
The AK-74 was known to blow a man in half within 100 meters in Afghanistan.
The M-16 suffered early on in Vietnam becuase Colt told the Army it was as elf
Cleaning rifle! And the Army believed them! After the fiascos in '67 & '68 they
modified the M-16 to the M-16A1 (by adding a forward assist to pooch the bolt
forward in case it got gummed up) and retrained the troops as to the proper
field cleaning of the weapon.
I have had M-16's fire relably for weeks at a time in the field using Blanks
(which really carbon up the workings of the weapons) just by keeping the Bolt
carrier lubed, the locking lugs of the bolt clean and making sure crud does not
build up around the base of the firing pin.
5 min. with a old T-shirt and LSA is all it took to do a quick whip down and
keep the weapon fireing.
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 02:45:35 GMT
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Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
>>And they made the AK-47 the best assault rifle you can get, hands down.
>> A smart grunt picks up the first AK he comes across even if he really
>>does have to pry it from someone's cold, dead hands.
>>
>
> he AK's only assests were it being rugged and dependable.
>
> Ballisticly, it was inferior to the The M-14 and the M-16A1
>
> The effectic range (described as the range at which an average shooter had a
> 50% chance of hitting the target) was only 250 to 300 meters.
>
> The M-16 was effective to 450 meters (and the newer M-16A3 to 550 meters)
>
> The short range was the cuased by it AK's short barrel and the obsolete 7.62mm
> cartridge used (was the same round the Czars army used in WWI)
>
> In 1974, the Soviets started to field the AK-74. Nased upon ballistic tests of
> M-16's captured in Vietnam. The Soviets became impressed by the damage the
> 5.56mm round did So they developed their own 5.45mm high velocity round.
>
> The AK-74 was known to blow a man in half within 100 meters in Afghanistan.
>
> The M-16 suffered early on in Vietnam becuase Colt told the Army it was as elf
> Cleaning rifle! And the Army believed them! After the fiascos in '67 & '68 they
> modified the M-16 to the M-16A1 (by adding a forward assist to pooch the bolt
> forward in case it got gummed up) and retrained the troops as to the proper
> field cleaning of the weapon.
>
> I have had M-16's fire relably for weeks at a time in the field using Blanks
> (which really carbon up the workings of the weapons) just by keeping the Bolt
> carrier lubed, the locking lugs of the bolt clean and making sure crud does not
> build up around the base of the firing pin.
Thirteen-year-old kids with zero education on the edge of starvation
don't take good care of their weapons. Insurgency is the job which the
AK is an excellent tool for, and in an insurgency you arm whoever can
hold a rifle and run. That's why the AK is the finest tool for that job.
Now, If you're arming a professional army and you have a budget like the
Pentagon's, hell yes go with the M-16. Professional soldiers can be
expected to take pride in their weapons' condition, and can be trained
to keep their weapons clean enough to fire reliably even under adverse
conditions. Insurgents can be expected to horribly mistreat their
weapons, and the AK can stand up to a lot of mistreatment and still
perform decently.
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 12 Oct 2004 22:37:22 GMT
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>The RPG was designed as an anti-tank missile, after all. Any unarmored
>or lightly armored vehicle will be toast in one shot. A good shot with
>good intel on the weak points of the armor on that particular type of
>tank can even kill a modern battle tank with one round. You just have
>to know which spot to aim for.
Depsie the M-1 thick armor and 120mm main gun. It tracks are still its weak
point. The Iraqi's have damaged several in the street fighting this summer.
They wait until the M-1's get to point black rangge, it them in the tracks with
a RPG, then get up close into the tanks dead zone and pour some gasoline over
it and have a serious Barn Fire!
Also, during the invasion, two M-1 were knocked out of action with an unknown
weapon. It left a hole the size of a pencil in the thickest part of the tanks
armor.
Speculation is it was done with one of the "enhanced" RPG rounds being sold by
several former Warsaw pact Nations as well as China and Belgium. There are a
"hybred" of the traditiona RPG "HEAT" round and a kenetic energy round used as
the standard anti-tank round by all militaries around the world.
>The Soviets played around with a reactive armor system to defend their
>tanks against anti-tank missiles, and the Pentagon is doing the same
>thing now, but even the best reactive armor system can be easily
>defeated by a team of two RPG gunners.
The Soviets dropped their reactive armor (as did many of the other nations)
becuase it had a nasty habit of going off when it was not supposed to. Like in
the motor pool. Any sray electic voltage form static electicity or even a bad
ground on the vehicle would set them off. The think now is "applique" armor.
Developed by the French/Germans, it looks alot like reactive armor, but
consists of a composite of metals and polymers to slow down the Kenetic rounds
and set off the HEAT rounds before they get to the tanks main armor. They can
be removed to lighten the tank for easy transport. But can be quickly (and
safely) added by the crew prior to going to a comabt zone. This enabled both
nations to streach the lifespans of their older tanks.
The problem is that fighting insergants with tanks/APC's alone is stupid.
Fighting insergants with tanks & APC in a built area is worse then stupid! It
Rumsfield! Well Train infantry can eat up armored vehiles in citie ans build up
areas. Because the tanks loose its greatest asset. Mobility and speed. And
these militias have had some training, and the Al Quida's definatly have had
miltary training.
>The Pentagon's current shoulder-fired anti-tank missile is a
>technological wonder despite its age.
The AT-4 is the Army's current souder fired weapon. It replaced the LAW about
10 years ago. The LAW is still issued, but as a quick fire support weapon
against bunkers, etc.
The Dragoon has been replaced in most Active Army units. But is still in many
Nation Guard Combat units.
The TOW, has been steadily improved over the years. The luancers are lighter,
the missiles are more leathal. They all are inter changable too. You can take
the most modern TOW missle and still fire it form a luancher thats 20 years
old.
>But all the old Warsaw Pact countries got flooded with RPGs after the
>Soviet military's fire sale.
The RPG, was THE best light anti-tank weapon in the world when it came into
service. Within 5 years it was worthless as the West upgraded their tanks. The
Soviets never upgraded the warhead of the RPG. AS I stated above. Many nations
are selling advanced RPG rockest that can pentrate any tank in the world.
And they are cheap. The rockest cost between $15 for an old soviet rocket, to
arounf $60 for the enhanced ones.
$60 to knock out a $4 million tank? Good bargin!
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:00:38 GMT
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Rev. Richard Skull wrote:
[snip]
> The problem is that fighting insergants with tanks/APC's alone is stupid.
> Fighting insergants with tanks & APC in a built area is worse then stupid! It
> Rumsfield! Well Train infantry can eat up armored vehiles in citie ans build up
> areas. Because the tanks loose its greatest asset. Mobility and speed. And
> these militias have had some training, and the Al Quida's definatly have had
> miltary training.
You have to wonder just how it is the Pentagon can be SO WRONG about SO
MANY THINGS. You'd think the system would work occasionally if only on
accident, and get someone with a grain of fucking sense near enough the
top to do some good.
> The TOW, has been steadily improved over the years. The luancers are lighter,
> the missiles are more leathal. They all are inter changable too. You can take
> the most modern TOW missle and still fire it form a luancher thats 20 years
> old.
The TOW is what I was thinking of, but I wasn't sure of the name and
didn't want to bother checking it, so I glossed. I should've known
someone would bust me.
>>But all the old Warsaw Pact countries got flooded with RPGs after the
>>Soviet military's fire sale.
>
> The RPG, was THE best light anti-tank weapon in the world when it came into
> service. Within 5 years it was worthless as the West upgraded their tanks. The
> Soviets never upgraded the warhead of the RPG. AS I stated above. Many nations
> are selling advanced RPG rockest that can pentrate any tank in the world.
>
> And they are cheap. The rockest cost between $15 for an old soviet rocket, to
> arounf $60 for the enhanced ones.
>
> $60 to knock out a $4 million tank? Good bargin!
Like I said, that's what makes the RPG so brilliant.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:52:12 -0700
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On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:00:38 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>You have to wonder just how it is the Pentagon can be SO WRONG about SO
>MANY THINGS. You'd think the system would work occasionally if only on
>accident, and get someone with a grain of fucking sense near enough the
>top to do some good.
When Daddy Bush went to fight against the heinous forces of the wrong
people owning the oil, he listened to his advisers, tactical and
strategic.
When Guuber went to the same war, he listened to God, or God as his
coke-addled brain cells reported.
Every step they have taken in this has been utter insanity,
militarily, politically, and in the eyes of "Bob".
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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We counted 27 head wounds.
Do you still want to call it self-defence?
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 13 Oct 2004 23:41:51 GMT
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>You have to wonder just how it is the Pentagon can be SO WRONG about SO
>MANY THINGS. You'd think the system would work occasionally if only on
>accident, and get someone with a grain of fucking sense near enough the
>top to do some good.
Don't balme this on the Generals. Both the Chiefs of Staff for the Army &
Marines disavowed this entire operation.
This is all Rummy's fault. He has ignored all the advice his Commnaders have
given him becuase he, despite having avoided military servcie like the plague,
is sooooo much smarted then those guys who spent 20+ years of their live
running it.
The decision to attack the strong holds (then stop the attacks as soon as the
bodies stated to pile up) can be traced directly to Rumsfield and the White
House. The Marine Commander who lead the Fajual(?) attacks this summer pretty
much said that the whole operation from day 1 has been mismanaged.
>Like I said, that's what makes the RPG so brilliant.
I have always wondered why the US never produced their own imrovement to the
RPG. We have copied and imrpoved lots of stuff the Soviets developed...
The Ribbon Floating assualt bridge
The Infantry Fighting Vehicle (although theirs is still better then ours)
Mobile ICBM's
Tank mounted assualt bridges
Artillary luanched land mines.
But we never came up with a better version of the RPG.
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 12 Oct 2004 22:17:27 GMT
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>The thing about helicopters though is that, although the Army loves
>them, they are really death traps. As long as you aren't using them
>somewhere that there is good ground to air fire they are loads of fun
>for deploying troops and blowing stuff up, but if there is any kind of
>effective return fire you can pretty well kiss your butt goodbye.
>
Don't gorget during 'Operation Enron Oil Grab" a.k.a Iraqi Freedom, the Army
sent a Battalion of it most advaned and Leathal Apache Attack Helocopter to the
suburbs of Bahgdad, only to have all of them get shot to hell by small arms
fire.
I think the price tag for a apache is arounf $25 Million each.
The Iraqi's probally fired off $500 of ammo to knock out a Bilion Dollars of
Combat Power. Good cost/benefit ratio!
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:30:12 -0700
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On 12 Oct 2004 22:17:27 GMT, mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard
Skull) wrote:
>>The thing about helicopters though is that, although the Army loves
>>them, they are really death traps. As long as you aren't using them
>>somewhere that there is good ground to air fire they are loads of fun
>>for deploying troops and blowing stuff up, but if there is any kind of
>>effective return fire you can pretty well kiss your butt goodbye.
>>
>
>Don't gorget during 'Operation Enron Oil Grab" a.k.a Iraqi Freedom, the Army
>sent a Battalion of it most advaned and Leathal Apache Attack Helocopter to the
>suburbs of Bahgdad, only to have all of them get shot to hell by small arms
>fire.
>
>I think the price tag for a apache is arounf $25 Million each.
>
>The Iraqi's probally fired off $500 of ammo to knock out a Bilion Dollars of
>Combat Power. Good cost/benefit ratio!
>
Thank "Bob" CNN work pro bono
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"As I grow shorter, she grows longer, she takes up more room, she worries about little details, she
busies herself with unimportant, trivial tasks. She makes less and less of an effort to deceive me. But
her hour of triumph will be that in which I cease to be. Then she can consider her troubles over and
done with, and leave, shutting the door behind her."
--------
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Zapanaz
sat down and wrote
>helicopters
I live very near a big army barracks and stuff in England and sometimes
in the middle of the night the helicopters come right over my village
and just hover for ages - I mean, JUST HOVER. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT. OVER THE VILLAGE.
Why do they do that?
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:46:38 GMT
--------
Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Zapanaz
> sat down and wrote
>>helicopters
>
> I live very near a big army barracks and stuff in England and sometimes
> in the middle of the night the helicopters come right over my village
> and just hover for ages - I mean, JUST HOVER. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
> NIGHT. OVER THE VILLAGE.
> Why do they do that?
They're watching your best friend fucking your sister every night
through the forward-looking infrared system.
--------
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Cardinal
Vertigo sat down and wrote
>Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
>> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Zapanaz
>> sat down and wrote
>>>helicopters
>> I live very near a big army barracks and stuff in England and
>>sometimes in the middle of the night the helicopters come right over
>>my village and just hover for ages - I mean, JUST HOVER. IN THE
>>MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. OVER THE VILLAGE.
>> Why do they do that?
>
>They're watching your best friend fucking your sister every night
>through the forward-looking infrared system.
My best friend IS my sister. I'm going to have words with them both when
I next see them.
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:52:29 -0700
--------
Rev. Simion Simian wrote:
>
> I live very near a big army barracks and stuff in
> England and sometimes in the middle of the night
> the helicopters come right over my village and
> just hover for ages - I mean, JUST HOVER. IN THE
> MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. OVER THE VILLAGE.
> Why do they do that?
>
Imagine if you had to be a really smart person who
had worked really hard to get what you thought was
an exciting, intelligent line of work, and instead
you turn out to be a glorified bus driver?
That is your typical helicopter pilot. Terribly
disappointed.
Just north of Penis, AZ, is the village of Arcosanti.
Built by the scam artist architect Paolo Soleri, it
attacts feeble minded but idealistic artsy types to
hang out there and make sand-cast wind chimes for
some reason.
Anyway, it is near the one and only north-south route
for helicopters from Phoenix north. It doesn't matter
if they are civilian, military, or super secret black
helicopters, they still have to fly that corridor or
the FAA will jump their shit.
They actually used that route for a scene in the bad
helicopter movie "Blue Thunder", as supposedly flying
over Vietnam and throwing an NVA officer out of the
helicopter trying to land him on top of a Vietnamese
saguaro cactus or something.
Anyway, some attack helicopter of a new design, then,
for no apparent reason decided to hover about 50 feet
over Arcosanti, to the annoyance of the artists within.
Being logical individuals, they threw rocks at the $10M
aircraft as the pilot impotently pointed his minigun at
them before having to leave before they scratched his
paint.
There were several lessons to be learned there. Great,
abiding philosophical implications that nobody involved
probably ever even suspected and now which are lost to
history. Que sera.
--
"There's a sizeable number of people
who prefer watching reruns of someone
wolfing down goat gonads to watching
the political debates."
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:46:08 GMT
--------
In article <416C7C4D.741F@succeeds.com>,
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> Anyway, some attack helicopter of a new design, then,
> for no apparent reason decided to hover about 50 feet
> over Arcosanti, to the annoyance of the artists within.
> Being logical individuals, they threw rocks at the $10M
> aircraft as the pilot impotently pointed his minigun at
> them before having to leave before they scratched his
> paint.
> There were several lessons to be learned there. Great,
> abiding philosophical implications that nobody involved
> probably ever even suspected and now which are lost to
> history. Que sera.
Solution? MORE AND BIGGER ROCKS.
--
HellPope Huey
Worse than an Ewok with eczema
"Whaddaya got under the foil, Mr. Party Pooper?
Some party poop?"
- "King of the Hill"
In "Bob" we trust.All others pay cash--
as soon as possible and directly to me.
- Rev. AuntiKrist
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:32:25 -0700
--------
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:46:08 GMT, HellPope Huey
wrote:
>In article <416C7C4D.741F@succeeds.com>,
> "nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
>
>> Anyway, some attack helicopter of a new design, then,
>> for no apparent reason decided to hover about 50 feet
>> over Arcosanti, to the annoyance of the artists within.
>> Being logical individuals, they threw rocks at the $10M
>> aircraft as the pilot impotently pointed his minigun at
>> them before having to leave before they scratched his
>> paint.
>> There were several lessons to be learned there. Great,
>> abiding philosophical implications that nobody involved
>> probably ever even suspected and now which are lost to
>> history. Que sera.
>
> Solution? MORE AND BIGGER ROCKS.
We MUST NOT ALLOW the terrorists (well, ragheads in general, but since
the Iraq invasion I guess we have established that terrorist and
raghead are interchangeable terms) to develop rocks of mass
destruction! Even now, they have bigger, deadlier, more advanced
rocks which they could deploy at any time to perform terrorist acts!
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Always honk when you run over a blind guy.
Correspondent:: "ArWeGod" Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:01:07 GMT
--------
"Zapanaz" wrote in message
news:ea90n05oafacq1mj2q85ubsn5oso8rv6fp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:46:08 GMT, HellPope Huey
> wrote:
>
> >In article <416C7C4D.741F@succeeds.com>,
> > "nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> >
> >> Anyway, some attack helicopter of a new design, then,
> >> for no apparent reason decided to hover about 50 feet
> >> over Arcosanti, to the annoyance of the artists within.
> >> Being logical individuals, they threw rocks at the $10M
> >> aircraft as the pilot impotently pointed his minigun at
> >> them before having to leave before they scratched his
> >> paint.
> >> There were several lessons to be learned there. Great,
> >> abiding philosophical implications that nobody involved
> >> probably ever even suspected and now which are lost to
> >> history. Que sera.
> >
> > Solution? MORE AND BIGGER ROCKS.
>
> We MUST NOT ALLOW the terrorists (well, ragheads in general, but since
> the Iraq invasion I guess we have established that terrorist and
> raghead are interchangeable terms) to develop rocks of mass
> destruction! Even now, they have bigger, deadlier, more advanced
> rocks which they could deploy at any time to perform terrorist acts!
Naw! Rocks were just the proving ground. What they need next are
pigeons. Or better yet, DOVES. Release about 500 doves on the bastard
and see how the rotors like it. I can see the headlines now, well not
yet, hold on:
"War Machine downed by Peacenik Doves"
Now I see the headline. Of course, some one's BOUND to tell me
(altogether now):
"You don't get down off a Dove, you get down off an Elephant!"
--
ArWeJustDucky
Correspondent:: Rev DJ Epoch Date: 18 Oct 2004 13:57:35 GMT
--------
Zapanaz wrote in
news:ea90n05oafacq1mj2q85ubsn5oso8rv6fp@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:46:08 GMT, HellPope Huey
> wrote:
>
>>In article <416C7C4D.741F@succeeds.com>,
>> "nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, some attack helicopter of a new design, then,
>>> for no apparent reason decided to hover about 50 feet
>>> over Arcosanti, to the annoyance of the artists within.
>>> Being logical individuals, they threw rocks at the $10M
>>> aircraft as the pilot impotently pointed his minigun at
>>> them before having to leave before they scratched his
>>> paint.
>>> There were several lessons to be learned there. Great,
>>> abiding philosophical implications that nobody involved
>>> probably ever even suspected and now which are lost to
>>> history. Que sera.
>>
>> Solution? MORE AND BIGGER ROCKS.
>
> We MUST NOT ALLOW the terrorists (well, ragheads in general, but since
> the Iraq invasion I guess we have established that terrorist and
> raghead are interchangeable terms) to develop rocks of mass
> destruction! Even now, they have bigger, deadlier, more advanced
> rocks which they could deploy at any time to perform terrorist acts!
>
So now they're taking terrorism for granite.
Saw that one coming.
--
The Church of Our Lady of Prepetual Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM
"if you stand on my instep, lean into my face with your salami-breathed
bad manners and bellow "HOWYADOIN' THERE, BUCKO?," you ultimately have
no one to blame but YOU for the pineapple suppository."
- HellPope Huey
Correspondent:: nkoren@gmail.com
Date: 1 Nov 2004 08:15:33 -0800
--------
Funny how these things turn into urban legends. I actually witnessed
the incident in question, and it was rather different than you
describe.
First of all, Arcosanti is a rather different place, full of rather
different people, than what you describe. But that's beside the point.
Secondly, although it is indeed close to the major north-south
helicopter route for the state, the main source of intrigue is the
McDonnell-Douglas helicopter test range, which is about 30 miles to
the south-east. Periodically helicopters will wander well beyond the
confines of the range. Although they are usually unmarked (and very
dark green, often appearing black), they are never of "unknown design"
-- typically they're Apaches, Pavelows, and smaller things like Kiowas.
In this case, the helicopter in question was an Apache. It did indeed
fly below the rim of the canyon, coming within about 50 feet of the
foundry. That much is accurate. However it didn't train its weapons
on anyone -- although you could clearly see the gun turret swivelling
along with the motion of the gunner's head -- and its missile-tubes
were empty. However it was very annoying in any case, as the foundry
workers were preparing to do a bronze pour. It's more than a little
difficult to hand-pour 1,800-degree metal with a large attack
helicopter peeking over your shoulder. So, they took some necessary
action.
Now, a word about the foundry workers: rather than being a bunch of
deluded rock-throwing hippy cultists, as seems to be the popular image
of Arcosantians, they were actually a bunch of Hunter S.
Thompson-reading survivalist types who had moved to Arcosanti because
there they could be as weird and antisocial as they liked. The foundry
manager's lifetime motto was "never bring a knife to a gunfight," and
the correlary: "always bring a bigger gun to a gunfight." And although
his weapons were cached in a bunker several miles away (you can't have
firearms at Arcosanti), he most certainly DID have the firepower to
back that motto up.
In short, throwing rocks at an Apache was NOT the foundry-workers'
style: they needed superior weaponry in order to take on something of
that magnitude. Fortunately, they had such a method of defense,
readily available, and they had practiced this maneuver many times
before, typically to retaliate against the TV news helicopters that
would frequently buzz through the canyon. On the count of three, they
fired, and the Apache flew away in a hurry.
I'm sure that the sight of half a dozen hairy, sweaty, foundry-workers'
asses would make you flee in terror, too.
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:45:21 -0700
--------
nkoren@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Funny how these things turn into urban legends.
> I actually witnessed the incident in question,
> and it was rather different than you describe.
Well, in context, this would have been from between
'89 to about '93, and I heard it from an art girl
who was also there. In all fairness, she was a half
bubble off plumb and probably didn't know anything
about helicopters.
Other context is from my personal experience visiting
Arcosanti, which predates that story by many years,
so I will also grant you that the character of the
place, and its denizens, have probably changed, too.
Sweaty, hairy asses or rocks. Either way, it makes
for an unpleasant experience.
--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet
Correspondent:: nkoren@gmail.com
Date: 1 Nov 2004 12:57:29 -0800
--------
Heh! "A half bubble off plumb"... I like that expression and will
endeavour to remember it. Thanks!
Yup, the Apache in the canyon (at least the one that I witnessed) was
in September '93, give or take a month. So it's likely the same
incident. Given your brief description, I think I've got an idea who
you heard it from. She didn't have an offspring and name it "Zebulon,"
by chance? Half a bubble indeed... :-)
As for the general character of Arcosantians, the thing is that there
*isn't* really one. It isn't a place like other places: there is a
full spectrum of personalities -- everything from art girls from
rainbow-land to the above mentioned minigun-toting hairy-assed
survivalists. Sometimes there are even a few normal people somewhere
in the middle, but there are actually very few synchophants, accolytes,
or true believers. For the most part, people there tend to be too
intensely personal and ideosyncratic with their nuttiness for all that.
As a rule, I won't defend Arcosantians against most accusations of
insanity -- it's generally true -- but I'm proud enough of my heritage
(I more or less grew up there) to defend them against any intimations
of conformity. So I just had to set the record straight on that point.
:-)
Oh, and for the record: given the choice, I'd much prefer the rocks.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:53:05 -0700
--------
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:21:06 +0100, "Rev. Simion Simian"
wrote:
>The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Zapanaz
> sat down and wrote
>>helicopters
>
>I live very near a big army barracks and stuff in England and sometimes
>in the middle of the night the helicopters come right over my village
>and just hover for ages - I mean, JUST HOVER. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
>NIGHT. OVER THE VILLAGE.
>Why do they do that?
they are waiting for you to throw a rock at them and knock them out of
the sky. That's what they're trained to do.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
We counted 27 head wounds.
Do you still want to call it self-defence?
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 14 Oct 2004 00:00:00 GMT
--------
>I live very near a big army barracks and stuff in England and sometimes
>in the middle of the night the helicopters come right over my village
>and just hover for ages - I mean, JUST HOVER. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
>NIGHT. OVER THE VILLAGE.
>Why do they do that?
Does your neighbor's teenage duaghter like to go skinny dipping at night?
They are practicing flying with night vision. HArd to do as most of the
nightvision stuff distroys your depth perception.
Every so many months they must go out at night and fly with night vision under
athe supervision of pilot supervisor/trainer. there are several manouvers the
pilot must succesfully acomplish to keep certified. Hovering is one. Nape of
Earth Flying, close formation flying, landing, and sling laoding are a few of
the others. BAck in the days, military personal could go to their local Army
Airfield and hitch a ride with crew that was flying to keep their miniumum
hours up to date.
I had lots of rides in UH-1's. Lots of fun as long as they don;t crash!
The Army stoped this becuase some chopters crashed with "riders" on board.
Since the riders were "official", the ended up paying lots of suvivor benefits
to families.
They figured it they stoped the "joy rides", they would statisticly save 5 to 8
lives a year adn several million dollars in benifits.
--------
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Rev. Richard
Skull sat down and wrote
>They are practicing flying with night vision.
Well a lot of the British soldiers in Iraq come from here, so I can only
think that they're staring down at MY FLAT and imagining that it's some
terrorist hideout in Samarra. Freaky. There was a wedding party next
door last summer but nothing happened, which is reassuring I suppose.
--
Rev. Simeon Simian
Correspondent:: Quintal Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:43:32 GMT
--------
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:19:53 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
wrote:
>Max wrote:
>
>> In article ,
>> "Anachron" wrote:
>>
>>> Modemac" wrote in message
>>> news:b71f73eb.0410050412.7da17645@posting.google.com...
>>> > Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
>>> > video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
>>> > Starring none other than the President of the United States
>>> > himself...Dubya!
>>> >
>>> > The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
>>> > get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>>> >
>>> http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Fa
>>> ith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>>> >
>>> > "His faith will inspire you!"
>>>
>>> If Bush is unemployed after November maybe he can run for Pope.
>>
>> Not sure why y'all make so much fuss about it. It's like getting exited
>> about choosing between two money-grabbing dumb fat ugly identical twins
>> in a beauty contest...
>
>...except that one of the contestants completely fabricated a threat in
>Iraq and sent a few of your buddies there to get filled with shrapnel
>while their sworn enemy was in Pakistan eating Doritos and playing Xbox,
>all for the noble purpose of making a handful of rich people richer,
>among other transgressions.
>
>If they really are the same, we may as well go with the one who hasn't
>completely clusterfucked us yet.
as if kerry was any different
presidents dont take decisions, they're just public relations
officials
Correspondent:: jojo@cox.net (MS#1Fanboy-JoJo)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:00:24 GMT
--------
In article ,
modemac@modemac.com says...
>
>Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
>video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
>Starring none other than the President of the United States
>himself...Dubya!
>
>The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
>get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>
>http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-F
aith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>
>"His faith will inspire you!"
LMAO!! Did you read the description of the video? It says and I quote "nobody
spends more time on his knees than George W. Bush". LMAO!!! At least in the
Clinton Whitehouse Monica was the one down on her knees.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:47:15 -0700
--------
On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:00:24 GMT, jojo@cox.net (MS#1Fanboy-JoJo)
wrote:
>In article ,
>modemac@modemac.com says...
>>
>>Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
>>video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
>>Starring none other than the President of the United States
>>himself...Dubya!
>>
>>The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
>>get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>>
>>http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-F
>aith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>>
>>"His faith will inspire you!"
>
>
>LMAO!! Did you read the description of the video? It says and I quote "nobody
>spends more time on his knees than George W. Bush". LMAO!!! At least in the
>Clinton Whitehouse Monica was the one down on her knees.
I just read the banner gif at the top of the page and it has me
blinking too ...
"PROMOTING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AND FAMILY BASED LEGISLATION"
blink
blink blink
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Nobody spends more time on his knees than George W. Bush
Correspondent:: Digital Dude Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:08:48 GMT
--------
Modemac wrote:
> Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
> video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
> Starring none other than the President of the United States
> himself...Dubya!
>
> The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
> get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>
> http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Faith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>
> "His faith will inspire you!"
You have a problem with religion. John Fucking Flipflopping Kerry is a
Catholic? You rather have a Islamist Jihadist in the White House?
God Bless America.
In God We Trust.
Choke on it.
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:02:55 GMT
--------
Digital Dude wrote:
> Modemac wrote:
>> Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
>> video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
>> Starring none other than the President of the United States
>> himself...Dubya!
>>
>> The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
>> get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>>
>> http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Faith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>>
>> "His faith will inspire you!"
>
> You have a problem with religion. John Fucking Flipflopping Kerry is a
> Catholic? You rather have a Islamist Jihadist in the White House?
>
> God Bless America.
>
> In God We Trust.
>
> Choke on it.
A professing atheist in the White House would be a refreshing breath of
fucking diversity.
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:54:51 -0700
--------
Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>
> Digital Dude wrote:
> > Modemac wrote:
> >> Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
> >> video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
> >> Starring none other than the President of the United States
> >> himself...Dubya!
> >>
> >> The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
> >> get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
> >>
> >> http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Faith-in-the-White-House.aspx
> >>
> >> "His faith will inspire you!"
> >
> > You have a problem with religion. John Fucking Flipflopping Kerry is a
> > Catholic? You rather have a Islamist Jihadist in the White House?
George Fucking "The war against terror can't be won," "We are winning
the war on terror," Bush praying to Jesus for guidance is an inspiring
thought alright. Maybe if I pray to Jesus I can say two entirely
opposite things and still have the nerve to call someone else a flipflopper.
Makes me wonder what Donald Fucking "I know of no hard connection
between Iraq and Al Qaeda," "I was misunderstood when I said that,"
Rumsfeld prays to every night.
Correspondent:: shrbw@abertay.ac.uk (Barry Worthington)
Date: 6 Oct 2004 03:25:21 -0700
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modemac@modemac.com (Modemac) wrote in message news:...
> Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
> video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
> Starring none other than the President of the United States
> himself...Dubya!
>
> The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
> get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>
> http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Faith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>
> "His faith will inspire you!"
.....to throw up.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Correspondent:: larboard34@hotmail.com (Ted Azito)
Date: 6 Oct 2004 20:34:02 -0700
--------
I don't care what religion he is. It's his dumbness that's the issue,
not his religion. Carter was a pious fundy too, but that wasn't an
issue with him. (His total lack of executive ability was.)
Correspondent:: "jeffc" Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 04:35:13 GMT
--------
"Modemac" wrote in message
news:b71f73eb.0410050412.7da17645@posting.google.com...
> Designed and hastily thrown together so that it could be released on
> video today, the same day "Fahrenheit 9/11" is released on video.
> Starring none other than the President of the United States
> himself...Dubya!
>
> The "official" video can be seen at places like Amazon, but be sure to
> get a load of THIS cover for the video, available here:
>
>
http://gallery.bcentral.com/GID4906989P3574536-DVD-and-Video/George-W.-Bush-Faith-in-the-White-House.aspx
>
> "His faith will inspire you!"