Att: HPH... Behold ! The lemur!
Correspondent:: "ghost"
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 01:34:48 GMT
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http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php
I like that it's LAN-based rather than MIDI... I have great ideas for the
way it could be used already.
Bless these yere Lotto MegaPix tickets for me.
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 15 Oct 2004 10:15:40 -0700
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"ghost" wrote in message news:...
> http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php
> I like that it's LAN-based rather than MIDI... I have great ideas for the
> way it could be used already.
Its an incredibly rare person who can suss the full potential of an
mLAN network AND generate truly creative, engaging music with it. You
don't encounter many people who can wear both hats; its usually a
whiz-bang boffin who can barely peck out a tune over a drum loop or a
fair-to-good composer who is annoyed-to-bollixed by all of the
cord-spaghetti, physical or software-based. Unless you are a serious
soundtrack pro such as Jeff Rona, real orchestration, as opposed to
the typical rock band model, causes the number of voices available to
approach entropy as your brain begins to boil over in a bid to
encompass what's going where and when.
I can easily understand the benefit of 96+ layers if you are Hans
Zimmer or Pink Floyd, but in the real world, where people can
generally only afford 3 or 4 instruments and are amply challenged by a
mere 16 possible channels at once, LAN looks more enticing than it IS
in practice. It IS better than MIDI, in several ways, but every system
has to bow to logistics. This one is no different. You'll notice that
despite the spec being, what 3, 4 years old now, MIDI is still King.
Previous financial commitment, wobbling economy and the heft of a
whole new learning curve = nice try, Charlie!
> Bless these yere Lotto MegaPix tickets for me.
Only if you put it in writing that should you win, I get enough of
the take to buy a median mLAN system. HAW HAW, ain't that the shits,
PRAISE "Bob"???
--
HellPope Huey
Worse than an Ewok with eczema
"Whaddaya got under the foil, Mr. Party Pooper?
Some party poop?"
- "King of the Hill"
In "Bob" we trust. All others pay cash --
as soon as possible and directly to me.
- Rev. AuntiKrist
Correspondent:: "ghost"
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:27:15 GMT
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"HellPopeHuey" wrote in message
news:8cc8cffc.0410150915.28c8a8cd@posting.google.com...
> "ghost" wrote in message
news:...
>
> > http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php
> > I like that it's LAN-based rather than MIDI... I have great ideas for
the
> > way it could be used already.
>
> Its an incredibly rare person who can suss the full potential of an
> mLAN network AND generate truly creative, engaging music with it. You
> don't encounter many people who can wear both hats; its usually a
> whiz-bang boffin who can barely peck out a tune over a drum loop or a
> fair-to-good composer who is annoyed-to-bollixed by all of the
> cord-spaghetti, physical or software-based. Unless you are a serious
> soundtrack pro such as Jeff Rona, real orchestration, as opposed to
> the typical rock band model, causes the number of voices available to
> approach entropy as your brain begins to boil over in a bid to
> encompass what's going where and when.
>
> I can easily understand the benefit of 96+ layers if you are Hans
> Zimmer or Pink Floyd, but in the real world, where people can
> generally only afford 3 or 4 instruments and are amply challenged by a
> mere 16 possible channels at once, LAN looks more enticing than it IS
> in practice. It IS better than MIDI, in several ways, but every system
> has to bow to logistics. This one is no different. You'll notice that
> despite the spec being, what 3, 4 years old now, MIDI is still King.
> Previous financial commitment, wobbling economy and the heft of a
> whole new learning curve = nice try, Charlie!
The way I look at it, there's synthesis/sound production... and then there's
MIDI. Sometimes the two are antithetical to one another.
MIDI is a great, robust protocol for what it does, even more remarkable for
being 20+ years old. It works so good because it's LIMITED.
With modern computer-based audio processing and synthesis, it just makes
sense to move some of the control and automation functions over to a less
limited protocol.
A perfect easy-to-conceptualize use for the LAN-based lemur would be
controlling a 32-channel virtual mixing board w/effects in real-time...
without
dicking around with MIDI CC number assignments and an expensive little
multi-knob thingie to send CC messages. No MIDI zipper noise either.
Right now I can MAYBE manage to send 8 CC messages at a time from my old
Yamaha controller (14 if you count pedal on/off messages like sustain).
I know you don't much care for them computer-based whacko synthesis programs
that I like, but a lemur would be ideal for Audiomulch or Reaktor users/Max
MSP for Mac users (I got the link from the Audiomulch mailing list) ... some
interesting live electronic possibilities there.
>> Bless these yere Lotto MegaPix tickets for me.
>Only if you put it in writing that should you win, I get enough of
the take to buy a median mLAN system. HAW HAW, ain't that the shits,
PRAISE "Bob"???
Done and done. I'll even buy nenslo a new bike (Stingray-style with a banana
seat).
Just don't sweat all over 'em like last time. It blurs the numbers.
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 15 Oct 2004 20:37:21 -0700
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"ghost" wrote in message news:...
> The way I look at it, there's synthesis/sound production... and then there's
> MIDI. Sometimes the two are antithetical to one another.
> MIDI is a great, robust protocol for what it does, even more remarkable for
> being 20+ years old. It works so good because it's LIMITED.
> With modern computer-based audio processing and synthesis, it just makes
> sense to move some of the control and automation functions over to a less
> limited protocol.
> A perfect easy-to-conceptualize use for the LAN-based lemur would be
> controlling a 32-channel virtual mixing board w/effects in real-time...
> without
> dicking around with MIDI CC number assignments and an expensive little
> multi-knob thingie to send CC messages. No MIDI zipper noise either.
> Right now I can MAYBE manage to send 8 CC messages at a time from my old
> Yamaha controller (14 if you count pedal on/off messages like sustain).
Which is all super-mega-ginchy, if the MUSIC DOESN'T SUCK. I find
reading about the equipment amusing, but if it doesn't get to hoppin'
in SOME manner by the 15th measure, my squeedly spooch commences to
itchin'. As a result, I do a LOT of scratching these days and I don't
mean no negroid turntable massage, neither.
> I know you don't much care for them computer-based whacko synthesis programs
> that I like, but a lemur would be ideal for Audiomulch or Reaktor users/Max
> MSP for Mac users (I got the link from the Audiomulch mailing list) ... some
> interesting live electronic possibilities there.
Yeah, 'tis true.. I have seen a few such presentations, but most were
so avant-garde-y and precious, it became pretentious too quickly.
Someone on the ball who did some serious orchestration or more
intelligent dance stuff with real melody and counterpoint, great.
However, it can work just as well results-wise if you just lay hands
to a couple of keyboards and/or control pads of some sort. To each his
own.
I DID hear a guy in Houston who did a solo show with a guitar
synthesizer and a couple of tape echoes. Blew me away. A little can be
a lot or a lot can be too much. It all depends on the operator.
> Bless these yere Lotto MegaPix tickets for me.
>>>>>Only if you put it in writing that should you win, I get enough
of
> the take to buy a median mLAN system. HAW HAW, ain't that the shits,
> PRAISE "Bob"???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Done and done. I'll even buy Nenslo a new bike
(Stingray-style with a banana seat).
Make it point STRAIGHT UP at the starfish-piercing angle. He'll feel
right at home and have a more pleasant ride experience as a result of
the familiarity. PUMP THE GRUMP.
--
HellPope Huey
Worse than an Ewok with eczema
"Whaddaya got under the foil, Mr. Party Pooper?
Some party poop?"
- "King of the Hill"
In "Bob" we trust. All others pay cash --
as soon as possible and directly to me.
- Rev. AuntiKrist