Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:36:46 GMT
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iDRMRSR wrote:
> KP:
> >>Yuh, it's sad and funny at the same time!
>
> Like as if the next election is going to change anything?
>
> I'm still waiting for Clinton's National Health Care Card!
>
> In two weeks, nobody will recall any of this anyhow.
>
> And a lot of people's popularity and gravy train will have ground to a halt
> just as soon, like this guy:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/29/obit.meader.ap/index.html
>
> Sic transit gloria mundi.
>
> [*]
> -----
No, no difference; just another
round of the psychedelic polka.
Maybe we won't get health cards,
but boxes like Dubya's!
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:15:13 -0700
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iDRMRSR wrote:
>
> In two weeks, nobody will recall any of this anyhow.
I hope so. It's kind of like Bloody Kansas.
Same sides, too. Same issues.
Probably same result. Except whoever plays
Sherman would have to march to the sea via
Santa Barbara or Boston or something.
I don't know why the dems want the troops to
come home. When the troops come home they're
going to want to beat the immortal shit out of
the lefties.
--
"I wish to thank those who have been
admirably relentless in reminding us
when the line between doing a good
thing and thinking a bad thing has
been crossed."
-- Frank DiGiovanni
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:25:04 GMT
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> iDRMRSR wrote:
> >
> > In two weeks, nobody will recall any of this anyhow.
>
> I hope so. It's kind of like Bloody Kansas.
>
> Same sides, too. Same issues.
>
> Probably same result. Except whoever plays
> Sherman would have to march to the sea via
> Santa Barbara or Boston or something.
>
> I don't know why the dems want the troops to
> come home. When the troops come home they're
> going to want to beat the immortal shit out of
> the lefties.
>
> --
> "I wish to thank those who have been
> admirably relentless in reminding us
> when the line between doing a good
> thing and thinking a bad thing has
> been crossed."
> -- Frank DiGiovanni
I dunno--
If the DoJ busts Halliburton and friends,
it'll make them look like traitors, and the
Vets will have somebody else's ass to kick
for a change besides the college kids.
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:53:45 -0700
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König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
>
> I dunno--
> If the DoJ busts Halliburton and friends,
Examine that "if..."
Anyway, right now, judging from what the troops
are writing home to mommy and daddy, *they*
believe that the US media and the left hate them,
will gladly desert them, double cross them, and
generally despise them.
They get most of their information from the
Internet.
To the great good fortune of the left, when
Johnnie comes marching home, he usually doesn't
want confrontation, he wants to get along with
his life. However, if some scummy leftie gets
in his face, the soldat will not just ignore it,
he will bust chops.
And, to tell you the truth, I rather like the
prospect of a recently returned Marine stomping
on some asshole who has just called him a
"babykiller" or crap like that. Snivellers like
that may be willing to be martyred for the cause
but they sure as hell don't like to have their
nose broken into several pieces by somebody that
no jury is going to convict.
A LOT of this anti-war bullshit will end rather
dramatically when those troops come home in
enough numbers to start leaving an impression,
as it were, on the nay-sayers.
--
"It's like the Roman Empire. Wasn't everybody
running around just covered with syphilis?
And then it was destroyed by the volcano."
--Joan Collins
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:10:00 GMT
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
> >
> > I dunno--
> > If the DoJ busts Halliburton and friends,
>
> Examine that "if..."
>
> Anyway, right now, judging from what the troops
> are writing home to mommy and daddy, *they*
> believe that the US media and the left hate them,
> will gladly desert them, double cross them, and
> generally despise them.
>
> They get most of their information from the
> Internet.
>
> To the great good fortune of the left, when
> Johnnie comes marching home, he usually doesn't
> want confrontation, he wants to get along with
> his life. However, if some scummy leftie gets
> in his face, the soldat will not just ignore it,
> he will bust chops.
>
> And, to tell you the truth, I rather like the
> prospect of a recently returned Marine stomping
> on some asshole who has just called him a
> "babykiller" or crap like that. Snivellers like
> that may be willing to be martyred for the cause
> but they sure as hell don't like to have their
> nose broken into several pieces by somebody that
> no jury is going to convict.
>
> A LOT of this anti-war bullshit will end rather
> dramatically when those troops come home in
> enough numbers to start leaving an impression,
> as it were, on the nay-sayers.
>
> --
> "It's like the Roman Empire. Wasn't everybody
> running around just covered with syphilis?
> And then it was destroyed by the volcano."
> --Joan Collins
Well, I am watching that "if"--
$600 hammers have been a DoD issue for a long time,
and with budgets running in the billions, yet inadequate
supplies and equipment, troops are refusing duty because
of traitorous quartermasters and logistic desk squatters.
I don't doubt that a jarhead would punch-out anybody
who got in their face. But profiteering during wartime
is treason, and I don't think the average jarhead is stoopit!
I worked with counter-terrorism, ordnance, and chemical
warfare products in the early 90's, ten years befor 9/11--
The company that I worked with has an office in Ankara
to work in Iraq now, and they pay field guys $150k. So,
I'm all ready to get patriotic and go get oil for all the SUV's in LA!
The more they lose ordnance and the bigger the mess they make,
the better it is for business!
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:01:17 GMT
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nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
> König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
>>
>> I dunno--
>> If the DoJ busts Halliburton and friends,
>
> Examine that "if..."
>
> Anyway, right now, judging from what the troops
> are writing home to mommy and daddy, *they*
> believe that the US media and the left hate them,
> will gladly desert them, double cross them, and
> generally despise them.
I've read a shitload of letters home which express exactly the opposite
sentiment, too.
> They get most of their information from the
> Internet.
No, they get most of their information from their peers and their
commanding officers.
> To the great good fortune of the left, when
> Johnnie comes marching home, he usually doesn't
> want confrontation, he wants to get along with
> his life. However, if some scummy leftie gets
> in his face, the soldat will not just ignore it,
> he will bust chops.
I think you're projecting a bit, officer, and I don't know any
progressives who want to get in any soldier's face about anything.
"Support the troops, get 'em home alive" seems to be the most common
sentiment.
> And, to tell you the truth, I rather like the
> prospect of a recently returned Marine stomping
> on some asshole who has just called him a
> "babykiller" or crap like that. Snivellers like
> that may be willing to be martyred for the cause
> but they sure as hell don't like to have their
> nose broken into several pieces by somebody that
> no jury is going to convict.
Charming little characterizations, there.
> A LOT of this anti-war bullshit will end rather
> dramatically when those troops come home in
> enough numbers to start leaving an impression,
> as it were, on the nay-sayers.
A lot of this anti-antiwar bullshit will end rather dramatically when
people like nu-monet realize that supporting the troops and supporting
the mission their commanders sent them on are two different things.
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:31:20 -0700
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Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>
> A lot of this anti-antiwar bullshit will
> end rather dramatically when people like
> nu-monet realize that supporting the troops
> and supporting the mission their commanders
> sent them on are two different things.
Let's play a game, instead of arguing.
When soldiers, airmen and marines start coming
home in numbers, let's both walk up to them,
unsolicited, and tell them what we think.
No the select few who might show up at some
anti-war rally or political function, but just
some average soldiers you see on the street.
Be brave! You're right, you know you're right.
So there's no risk in telling them what you
know. They'll be nodding their heads and
saying "Yeah, that Bush is one Nazi fucker for
sending us over there!" and "Yeah, Iraq was a
waste, and we just killed a bunch of women and
children and it was all for nothing and just a
big lie! No blood for oil, dude!"
Me, I'll say to them "Dayamn! You boys did a
good job over there, kickin' terrorist ass and
but good! You also looked busy as hell rebuilding
the place! Don't fret about what the media lied
about you all, there's LOTS of folks who know you
did one HELL of a lot of good! Lemme buy you a
beer!"
I'll even send you a card in the hospital.
--
Rev. nu-monet
Founder and High Priest
Church of Kali, U.S.A. (Reformed)
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:34:40 GMT
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote:
> Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
> >
> > A lot of this anti-antiwar bullshit will
> > end rather dramatically when people like
> > nu-monet realize that supporting the troops
> > and supporting the mission their commanders
> > sent them on are two different things.
>
> Let's play a game, instead of arguing.
>
> When soldiers, airmen and marines start coming
> home in numbers, let's both walk up to them,
> unsolicited, and tell them what we think.
>
> No the select few who might show up at some
> anti-war rally or political function, but just
> some average soldiers you see on the street.
>
> Be brave! You're right, you know you're right.
>
> So there's no risk in telling them what you
> know. They'll be nodding their heads and
> saying "Yeah, that Bush is one Nazi fucker for
> sending us over there!" and "Yeah, Iraq was a
> waste, and we just killed a bunch of women and
> children and it was all for nothing and just a
> big lie! No blood for oil, dude!"
>
> Me, I'll say to them "Dayamn! You boys did a
> good job over there, kickin' terrorist ass and
> but good! You also looked busy as hell rebuilding
> the place! Don't fret about what the media lied
> about you all, there's LOTS of folks who know you
> did one HELL of a lot of good! Lemme buy you a
> beer!"
>
> I'll even send you a card in the hospital.
>
> --
> Rev. nu-monet
> Founder and High Priest
> Church of Kali, U.S.A. (Reformed)
Me, I'm gonna walk up to a vet who got a glass-eye in Iraq,
and poke 'em in the other eye with my finger and say,
"Life's a bitch, huh?"
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:58:26 GMT
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nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
> Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>>
>> A lot of this anti-antiwar bullshit will
>> end rather dramatically when people like
>> nu-monet realize that supporting the troops
>> and supporting the mission their commanders
>> sent them on are two different things.
>
> Let's play a game, instead of arguing.
Who's arguing?
> When soldiers, airmen and marines start coming
> home in numbers, let's both walk up to them,
> unsolicited, and tell them what we think.
I generally try to avoid walking up to people and, unsolicited, telling
them what I think about ANYTHING, and usually see people who do as
unbelievable, unmitigated assholes who I want nothing to do with.
--------
"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message
news:4183DDF8.46EA@succeeds.com...
>
> Let's play a game, instead of arguing.
>
> When soldiers, airmen and marines start coming
> home in numbers, let's both walk up to them,
> unsolicited, and tell them what we think.
I would tend to prefer to ask them what they think. I would put money on at
least a few of them still having a recognizable brain in their head, and
recognizing a glimmer of intelligence in any conscious entity always gives
me hope. The remainder are simply the type of people who can't get beyond a
black and white view of the world, and there are many of that ilk from all
walks. I ain't gonna say shit to someone who's been 'there'. It's not them
with whom I have de boeuf. *YOU* know it's not Kentucky Fried Doughboy's
with whom any progressives have de boeuf. Or do you?
> Be brave! You're right, you know you're right.
>
> So there's no risk in telling them what you
> know. They'll be nodding their heads and
You've highlighted a major difference in the thinking of progressives vs.
neocons. You'll find waaaaay more progressives who freely question their own
knowledge all the time, and don't feel like their penis is about to fall
off. I tend to find among neocons a frightening certitude in their own
'rightness'.
> Me, I'll say to them "Dayamn! You boys did a
> good job over there, kickin' terrorist ass and
> but good! You also looked busy as hell rebuilding
> the place! Don't fret about what the media lied
> about you all, there's LOTS of folks who know you
> did one HELL of a lot of good! Lemme buy you a
> beer!"
And you'll STILL get your ass kicked when you find one that sees what a
disingenuous smarmy fuck you're being to him. :)
--------
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. nu-monet v7.0
sat down and wrote
>To the great good fortune of the left, when Johnnie comes marching
>home, he usually doesn't want confrontation, he wants to get along with
>his life. However, if some scummy leftie gets in his face, the soldat
>will not just ignore it, he will bust chops.
>
>And, to tell you the truth, I rather like the prospect of a recently
>returned Marine stomping on some asshole who has just called him a
>"babykiller" or crap like that. Snivellers like that may be willing to
>be martyred for the cause but they sure as hell don't like to have
>their nose broken into several pieces by somebody that no jury is going
>to convict.
>
>A LOT of this anti-war bullshit will end rather dramatically when those
>troops come home in enough numbers to start leaving an impression, as
>it were, on the nay-sayers.
These are the values we're fighting for. The soldiers round where I live
do seem to like to leave an 'impression' on people, whether you speak to
them or not. A lot of them enjoy fighting. Then they go to Basra and
give out pencils, which is nice. Then again, I was in hospital once, and
a soldier was brought in who'd tried to hang himself because of endless
bullying. He seemed alright. Overall, it's a confusing picture.
--
Rev. Simian
Correspondent:: nenslo Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:21:20 -0800
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"Rev. Simion Simian" wrote:
>
> The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. nu-monet v7.0
> sat down and wrote
> >To the great good fortune of the left, when Johnnie comes marching
> >home, he usually doesn't want confrontation, he wants to get along with
> >his life. However, if some scummy leftie gets in his face, the soldat
> >will not just ignore it, he will bust chops.
> >
> >And, to tell you the truth, I rather like the prospect of a recently
> >returned Marine stomping on some asshole who has just called him a
> >"babykiller" or crap like that. Snivellers like that may be willing to
> >be martyred for the cause but they sure as hell don't like to have
> >their nose broken into several pieces by somebody that no jury is going
> >to convict.
> >
> >A LOT of this anti-war bullshit will end rather dramatically when those
> >troops come home in enough numbers to start leaving an impression, as
> >it were, on the nay-sayers.
>
> These are the values we're fighting for. The soldiers round where I live
> do seem to like to leave an 'impression' on people, whether you speak to
> them or not. A lot of them enjoy fighting. Then they go to Basra and
> give out pencils, which is nice. Then again, I was in hospital once, and
> a soldier was brought in who'd tried to hang himself because of endless
> bullying. He seemed alright. Overall, it's a confusing picture.
>
> --
> Rev. Simian
If you just keep in mind that the military functions by reducing
intelligent individuals to trained apes, it all makes sense. That will
also help you understand nu-monet and his infantile revenge fantasies.
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:40:47 -0700
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nenslo wrote:
>
> If you just keep in mind that the military
> functions by reducing intelligent individuals
> to trained apes, it all makes sense. That will
> also help you understand nu-monet and his
> infantile revenge fantasies.
Pretty tough talk from a hippie fag pinko wannabe.
"Oh, please don't hurt me mister bad person, I'll
slobber on your rod or you can shove your mighty
meat sausage up my pooter, but don't say mean
things to me! Or I'll cry and pee myself!"
Liberal lefties are a hoot. They are experts at
being consistantly wrong in every way on every
conceivable subject, and they never, ever stop
whining.
Beyond everything else, they are all in favor of
living in some totalitarian nightmare because they
are utterly convinced that everyone else would get
the shit and they would be the elite, just because
they are so naturally elite. And, just like in
everything else they want, IT NEVER HAPPENS. Even
if they get some fucking Stalin to fuck everybody
over, the squishies are the ones he fucks first
and worst.
I'm glad Bush won. He may start WWIII, but he sure
as shit isn't going to ask France's permission
before he does it.
--
Rev. nu-monet
Founder and High Priest
Church of Kali, U.S.A. (Reformed)
--------
The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. nu-monet v7.0
sat down and wrote
>I'm glad Bush won. He may start WWIII, but he sure as shit isn't going
>to ask France's permission before he does it.
Like I say, it's a confusing picture. I knew an ex-soldier once - he
lived across the road and he was very kind to me in that he helped me
move house when I didn't have any other means to do so; but on the other
hand he was quite seriously disturbed and filled up to the brim with
violent revenge fantasies and plans against people who had wronged him -
as well as the usual niggers and poofs. I do believe he sometimes put
those plans into action as well.
But he spent a whole day helping me out in a difficult situation for no
obvious personal gain, so I *couldn't* despise him.
I think he was a Man of Anger. That's how I think of it.
--
Rev. Simian
Correspondent:: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
Date: 2 Nov 2004 18:38:34 -0800
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> I'm glad Bush won. He may start WWIII, but he sure
> as shit isn't going to ask France's permission
> before he does it.
Despite abhorring the right-wing, I've generally found you to have
your head up your ass MUCH LESS than most people here. I especially
appreciated your post a while back about how civilians are selfish
fucks who won't do shit for you, while the military at least teaches
some kind of solidarity with your fellows. So I'm generally refreshed
and informed by your anti-environment to endless self-congratulating
liberalism.
But from where I am, it looks like Bush (or whoever he 'represents')
is willing to murder Americans, CIVILIANS that is (not just
"murdering" soldiers by sending them to war), while lying to them with
impressive frequency, so that he and his family friends can continue
to make insane amounts of money, while utterly raping the environment,
which IS REAL whether you have an emotional attachment to it or not,
and fucking severely with the things that make the US great, ie
"freedoms". Maybe that's funny to you, I don't know. Maybe he's
nobly trying to get the US (and by extension, its citizens) into the
top position for when Peak Oil starts to get serious, but he's still
re-enforcing the oil addiciton. Are you really glad this guy's been
'in charge'?? What America is he helping??
Am I just brainwashed by pinko Canadian rags?? Or do I have a
point???
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:16:03 -0700
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Ad Absurdum wrote:
>
> But from where I am, it looks like Bush (or
> whoever he 'represents') is willing to murder
> Americans, CIVILIANS that is (not just "murdering"
> soldiers by sending them to war), while lying to
> them with impressive frequency, so that he and his
> family friends can continue to make insane amounts
> of money, while utterly raping the environment,...
Kind of running down the list.
First of all, how do you mean "murder Americans?",
is that in the context of how like the cigarette
makers "murder", how car manufacturers "murder", or
how junk food makers "murder"? This assumes that
you are not blaming him for 911, which would be a
pretty silly conspiracy theory. And I will grant
that there are other ways in which he might murder
American civilians.
As to the "lying" part. If you mean WMDs, it is a
subject so nuanced as to almost be meaningless. It
includes things like production means, actual stocks,
delivery systems, deployed weapons, and "known" but
incorrect data that were widely believed. Any modern
nation is brimming with dual purpose things that can
be quickly re-packaged as WMDs, a term which on its
own is flawed. Chemical, Biological and Nuclear
weapons have very little in common with each other.
"So that he and his family friends can make insane
amounts of money..." This would be limited to the
oil industry, that is, oil itself and Halliburton.
Well, like it or not, the US is dependent on foreign
oil. What keeps the price of oil down is good for
the US and the rest of the developed world. Every
major foreign power knows this too, which is why
France, Germany, Russia and China are so willing to
do anything to protect *their* oil flow. The US
wants to protect *everybodys* oil flow, which shows
that we are at least marginally better than they
are.
As far as Halliburton goes, it happens to be one of
only two corporations on the planet that perform the
oil infrastructure work *and* services that the US
needed copious amounts of in Iraq. The other company
is French. So, having a virtual monopoly, the US had
no choice but to deal with them, for better or worse.
Last but not least, the "utterly raping the
environment" kind of escapes me. Most of what passes
for "anti-environment" acts Bush has done just reverse
actions that were done in the previous 8 years during
the Clinton administration. And no, he didn't sign on
to Kyoto, but that is not action, that is inaction.
Most of the problem is semantics. Since most of what
a President does is pretty dull, to attract attention
his supporters and opponents put gaudy labels on stuff
that when examined are neither magnificant or horrific.
--
Herring communicate with each other
via a high-pitched, "raspberry"-like
sound emitted from their anuses.
These noises are not produced by
digestive gases.
-- from 'The New Scientist'
Correspondent:: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
Date: 3 Nov 2004 14:26:34 -0800
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"nu-monet v7.0" wrote in message news:<4188F633.6BA0@succeeds.com>...
> Ad Absurdum wrote:
> >
> > But from where I am, it looks like Bush (or
> > whoever he 'represents') is willing to murder
> > Americans, CIVILIANS that is (not just "murdering"
> > soldiers by sending them to war), while lying to
> > them with impressive frequency, so that he and his
> > family friends can continue to make insane amounts
> > of money, while utterly raping the environment,...
>
> Kind of running down the list.
>
> First of all, how do you mean "murder Americans?",
> is that in the context of how like the cigarette
> makers "murder", how car manufacturers "murder", or
> how junk food makers "murder"? This assumes that
> you are not blaming him for 911, which would be a
> pretty silly conspiracy theory. And I will grant
> that there are other ways in which he might murder
> American civilians.
Well, the blameshifting on cars cigs and junk food is so expert that
it never rests on anyone. To me it goes to those who lose.
I don't think 9/11 is a very silly conspiracy theory, and I didn't
mean to blame HIM (whoever he 'represents'). I don't spend TOO much
time looking into this kind of thing, but I'm fairly satisfied by the
apparent rigor of research done at Mike Ruppert's site. I like 9/11
conspiracy 'cause it blends right up to the most fantastic ideas that
are very in-credible, but I think the 'forget what Bush was thinking,
what were the SS thinking not rushing him out of that classroom where
his life was in danger from a potentially hijacked but not off-course
therefore as-yet-undetected hijacked plane unless they knew he wasn't
a target' point is pretty good (the pilot could still be responding
with a gun in his back), as well as the guy with an office in the
Pentagon who was in jail in Toronto and wrote the predictive note a
month before.
I know there's constant blameshifted murder, I was more specifically
referring to 9/11 because it was specifically preventable (I guess,
semi-informed), and specifically useful to specific agendas of what
Bush's Shadows do devour.
> snip <
(I don't have any more time on this computer)
but I do agree about the semantics
though I'm not satisfied with rephrasing his environment attitude as
'inaction'.
Again, Peak Oil is more my concern. A new focus would be what is he
planning on telling your average American suburbanite, other than
'consume it all now faster faster faster so we'll be rid of the damn
stuff!!!!'
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:22:40 -0700
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Ad Absurdum wrote:
>
> Again, Peak Oil is more my concern.
I've already mentioned the economic reasons for not
being terribly bothered by peak oil:
But I should also mention that there are actually not
one, but two different kinds of oil. The peak oil
problem only currently affects the type of crude oil
that everybody wants, the "light, sweet" crude that
only a few countries produce. Light, sweet means that
the oil is high in octane and has little sulfur. It
is easy to refine, and gives the best yield of gasoline
and home heating oil per barrel.
However, "heavy, sour" oil is the great majority of oil.
Most of what is produced by the middle east is this type
and they have it in abundance--but the market isn't
buying it. There are few refineries around that will
even process it. The Saudis beg and plead with us to
increase our consumption of heavy, sour, but we haven't.
NOW, HERE'S AN INTERESTING COMPARISON. Coal.
Coal is just like oil for having two types, low sulfur
that everybody wants, and huge amounts of high sulfur
that are far less desireable.
There are only two places on Earth where there is an
abundance of low sulfur coal. Indonesia and Utah. But
otherwise, the US has an IMMENSE amount of high sulfur
coal. But everbody wants, and some businesses MUST buy
low sulfur coal for what they want to do.
I mention this because the Lippo Group Corporation owns
ALL the Indonesian coal fields. It gave huge amounts of
money to Bill Clinton's campaign, and Bill Clinton then
outlawed coal mining in the Utah fields, thus giving
Lippo Group a world-wide monopoly of low sulfur coal.
So, either republicans and their oil men friends, or
democrats and their coal men friends. Either way you
get shafted. So relax and enjoy it.
--
"Money can't buy you happiness,
but when you're poor, you can't
buy shit, and nobody will loan
you happiness."
--nu-monet
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 05 Nov 2004 00:46:11 GMT
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>There are only two places on Earth where there is an
>abundance of low sulfur coal. Indonesia and Utah.
Wrong.
Powder River Basin in Wyoming, Most of the South-West PA and almost all of the
WV fields.
Utah coal is still being mined. But it hase a lower BTU value then Powder River
Coal. Abd the Utah coal was alos used by Colorodo Fuel & Iron to make steel.
CFI is no longer in business. Killed by cheaper Japanese & Indian steel
THE biggest low sulpher high BTU coal field in the world in under the Fomer
East Germany and Poland.
This coal is such high quality, the germans developed a Steel Making process
using it that bypasses the Coke Ovens. cutting out a very expensive and dirty
process. Saving lots of money, and making a high quality steel.
>Bill Clinton then
>outlawed coal mining in the Utah fields, thus giving
>Lippo Group a world-wide monopoly of low sulfur coal.
>
>
The Utah field are still very much active. The coal is shipped overseas for
steel & energy use, as well as sold to local utilities.
But since Utah cola has a lower BTU value/ton, Utlitlies have to buy more of it
to produce the same energy.
The Powder River mines have a higher BTU value AND all they have to do is strip
off the top soil to get to it. The Powder river got its name due to the Coal
Powder that was lying all over the place. The 3 largest producing mines in the
US are in the Powder River. They load up to 8 10,000 ton trains a day.
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 04 Nov 2004 00:26:55 GMT
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>The US
>wants to protect *everybodys* oil flow, which shows
>that we are at least marginally better than they
>are.
No, the US wants to own everyones oil flow.
>As far as Halliburton goes, it happens to be one of
>only two corporations on the planet that perform the
>oil infrastructure work *and* services that the US
>needed copious amounts of in Iraq. The other company
>is French. So, having a virtual monopoly, the US had
>no choice but to deal with them, for better or worse.
>
No. A long time ago the US Military had its own logistic units that did
everything Halliburtan is doing "supporting the troops" And these units had the
following advatages:
1) they were armed so they could at least put up some resistance if attacked.
2) If the supplies were not getting through, the CG could releve a few people
to get action. Now he has to file a complaint via the Contract Officer, back in
the Pentagon.
But Halliburtans poor performace is not new. It has been knwon since the US
took part in the NATO action in Bosnia. While the Germans, French and even the
Argintines had first class modern facilities, the US troops were living in
squaller conditions. The Pentagon tired to hide it, but The Army Times broke
the story. Of course, with Clinton being a threat to the free world by getting
a blow-job, they had other things to look after then taking acare of the troops
and getting Bin Laden.
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:56:15 -0800
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:21:20 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>> These are the values we're fighting for. The soldiers round where I live
>> do seem to like to leave an 'impression' on people, whether you speak to
>> them or not. A lot of them enjoy fighting. Then they go to Basra and
>> give out pencils, which is nice. Then again, I was in hospital once, and
>> a soldier was brought in who'd tried to hang himself because of endless
>> bullying. He seemed alright. Overall, it's a confusing picture.
>>
>> --
>> Rev. Simian
>
>If you just keep in mind that the military functions by reducing
>intelligent individuals to trained apes, it all makes sense. That will
>also help you understand nu-monet and his infantile revenge fantasies.
I didn't read dornobbo's preceding post so I don't know what the whole
story is ...
But the military doesn't really brainwash people. It's a myth.
When I joined the army I was crazy. I expected to end up dead. I was
sick to puking of the game that life seemed to be, all of the crap
that spirtual midgets tried to shove down my throat in high school.
The pursuit of mediocrity. I thought the army would be the ultimate
example of it and really I expected it to end in disaster. I thought
I would face the ultimate brainwashing machine and wind up dead or in
jail. A blaze of glory.
It's bullshit though. I kept waiting for THE BRAINWASHING to begin.
But it isn't about that. They shove a lot of gung-ho crap down your
throat but less than I got at an average high-school Pep Rally. And
they far less expected me to take that part of it seriously than the
Pep Rally Cheer Squad did.
What they do really is shove more stress down your throat than you can
take. That's the big secret of boot camp, they know you are not going
to be able to keep up with what they are throwing at you. But a kid
out of high school has never been exposed to anything like that and
doesn't figure out that it's a game that is designed to be unwinnable.
If anything, they reward you for being aggressively individualistic,
and for saying "fuck the system" if you can do it and have the nerve
to get away with it.
Americans love a maverick, but there is a sometimes-subtle line
between somebody who's a maverick because they know bullshit when they
see it and a maverick who is just a whiner. The latter never do well
anywhere in the human race and do miserably in the military.
It was brought home to me again and again, as I pushed things further
and further ... expecting the forces of roboticism and conformity to
CRRRUSH me under a 12-billion dollar mind-control boot ... and found
myself instead rewarded, and increasingly respected.
It was where I really learned, not just in the military, but in life
in general among the mediocre and pink ... who leads is simply who
decided it would be a good idea to lead. Put on a funny hat and start
giving orders, and people will follow.
Who leads for long is who puts on the funny hat and gives orders, and
doesn't fuck up visibly.
Then they skin you alive.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
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"Because space is 3-dimensional."
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