Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:32:28 GMT
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Artemia Salina wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:18:24 +0000, AssCo Assc wrote:
>
> > Apparent Wisconson gun-battle victor Chai Vang reports that his ire was irked
> > by racial epithets, i.e. the deer huntin' victims of Vang called him a "gook".
> > . . What they meant by "gook" was actually "spook" -- Vang is a former member
> > of the California National Guard and ribbon-winning sharpshooter. Many of the
> > Hmong people served in a cladestine military CIA operation in Laos during the
> > 1970's. If you should ever run into one of our badass Hmong neighbors DO NOT
> > FUCKIN' CALL THEM GOOKS!
>
> From news reports, one of the victims, the owner of the land, was named
> Robert Crotteau. The land seems to be located around Birchwood, WI.
>
> Is this the same Robert Crotteau?
>
> http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/op3.fwx?yr=00&num=1032&Submit1=Request+Opinion
>
> The driving distance from Birchwood to Rice Lake is just under 20 miles:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6od74
>
> I suppose it's possible to have two guys with the same name living within
> 20 miles of each other...
>
If it's the same alleged bank robber who also hunts cigarette butts--?
The Hmong immigrants have had trouble in that area before, too.
I understand the need for immigrant cultures to form around communities,
but it is sometimes a problem, too. Like the large concentration of Somalis
in Maine and Arabs in Detroit. During the height of the immigrant wave in
the early 1900's there was about 17% new immigrants. Where I live, it's
upward of 30% new arrivals. It's not normal here because there is also
a large diplomatic community, and one local high school has 72 languages
represented. The gang problems are mostly Latino gangs and Viet Namese
gangs. But I had also heard some previously about Hmong difficulties in
integrating in the Upper Midwest. I don't know why the Hmong did not
choose a more urban and tolerant area. The above mentioned decedent
was mentioned to have enjoyed working on his truck, and I think that
good ol' boys with pick-up trucks with gun racks in the window are often
a bit nationalistic.
Painful advice from one Hmong leader: Skip hunting trips
Chuck Haga
Star Tribune
Published November 25, 2004
RICE LAKE, WIS. -- It's a hard sell, given the love Hmong immigrants have for deer
hunting in Wisconsin, but Joe Bee Xiong is encouraging them to stay home for the
rest of this season.
That includes one large traditional hunting party, said Xiong, director of the Hmong
American Mutual Assistance Association of Eau Claire, Wis.
"That's myself, my father, my two sons, my six brothers and my 12 cousins," he said.
"Like everybody else here, we go hunting to relax and be together and enjoy
ourselves. But there's a lot of concern that people are still emotionally upset
about the incident. There's a lot of tension out there."
Xiong said he made his no-hunting suggestion after hearing from Hmong families
throughout western Wisconsin who reported hearing harsh comments from co-workers
about Sunday's shooting deaths of six Rice Lake-area hunters. The man accused in the
killings is a Hmong hunter from St. Paul.
"Our children are feeling pressures in school," he added. "Other children are asking
them, 'How come the Hmong are doing this to us?'
"It's one person who did this, but the pressure of negative is more toward the whole
Hmong community."
Many Hmong hunters, including several members of his family, already have shot deer
this season, Xiong said.
"I tell them, 'If you have meat, go ahead and cook it and eat. But if not, forget
about it.'
"We can stay home, do other things with our families instead of going out in the
cold and thinking about the tragedy. It will be hard to concentrate on hunting and
having fun anyway."
Eau Claire is home to one of the largest concentrations of Hmong immigrants in
Wisconsin, and many of them hunt in the north woods. Nearly 14,000 Hmong hunters are
licensed to shoot game in the state, according to the Department of Natural
Resources.
"But this is a time when God is not on our side," Xiong said. "We should not say or
do things that divide us, but many Hmong people are feeling isolated at their work
and at school. It was one man, but it is affecting a whole group."
Xiong said he is arranging a news conference, possibly on Friday, and will invite
area state legislators to join Hmong leaders and remind people of the positive
contributions that immigrants have made in Wisconsin.
"They are our state representatives, too, so they can speak for us," he said. "But
you do 10 things good and one bad thing wipes that out. Anything that will fix this
will take time. Time will heal, but it won't be overnight."
Xiong said he is making two other suggestions to the Hmong people.
"I am asking them to contribute to the fund for the families," he said. "Some say,
'Yes, we should.'
"And I am asking them to pray for the families."
Chuck Haga is at crhaga@startribune.com.
© Copyright 2004 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.
Correspondent:: Artemia Salina
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:29:45 -0500
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On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:32:28 +0000, König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
>
>
> Artemia Salina wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:18:24 +0000, AssCo Assc wrote:
>>
>> > Apparent Wisconson gun-battle victor Chai Vang reports that his ire was irked
>> > by racial epithets, i.e. the deer huntin' victims of Vang called him a "gook".
>> > . . What they meant by "gook" was actually "spook" -- Vang is a former member
>> > of the California National Guard and ribbon-winning sharpshooter. Many of the
>> > Hmong people served in a cladestine military CIA operation in Laos during the
>> > 1970's. If you should ever run into one of our badass Hmong neighbors DO NOT
>> > FUCKIN' CALL THEM GOOKS!
>>
>> From news reports, one of the victims, the owner of the land, was named
>> Robert Crotteau. The land seems to be located around Birchwood, WI.
>>
>> Is this the same Robert Crotteau?
>>
>> http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/op3.fwx?yr=00&num=1032&Submit1=Request+Opinion
>>
>> The driving distance from Birchwood to Rice Lake is just under 20 miles:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6od74
>>
>> I suppose it's possible to have two guys with the same name living within
>> 20 miles of each other...
>>
>
> If it's the same alleged bank robber who also hunts cigarette butts--?
I think it's pretty much academic now, in the light of new info, but I'm
not sure what your point was above. I guess you were intimating that a
cigarette butt scrounger would not be likely to be a land owner. If so,
your point is taken, but on the other hand I've known several mega-losers
who have inherited their parent's houses, etc. That's big land country
out there (as it is in most rural areas) so it wasn't much of a stretch
to imagine a bum who had a lot of land fall into his lap.
> The above mentioned decedent
> was mentioned to have enjoyed working on his truck, and I think that
> good ol' boys with pick-up trucks with gun racks in the window are often
> a bit nationalistic.
Actually I think that was the son, Joey, who liked to work on his truck.
I noticed something interesting during the time I spent in ultra-rural Idaho.
It was that wherever you find kids, you'll also find fads. In the place that
I spent time the fad was to have really big mud flaps on your beater pick-up
truck. All the kids had to have them. No doubt they had to be a certain brand
and a certain type in order to be considered cool. There also were, of course,
a few kids who just had to take the concept to its extreme and drove around with
mud flaps that were so long that they dragged on the ground by a good six inches.
It reminded me of when I was a kid in high school in the east. The uniform back
then was bell-bottom jeans. Actually "flairs", and they had to be a certain kind
or else you were a loser. But then there were a few kids who wore "elephant bells".
They were either attempting to buck the fad, or thought that bigger was better.
Just like the kids in Idaho with the mud flaps.
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Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:03:03 GMT
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Artemia Salina wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 09:32:28 +0000, König Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Artemia Salina wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 03:18:24 +0000, AssCo Assc wrote:
> >>
> >> > Apparent Wisconson gun-battle victor Chai Vang reports that his ire was irked
> >> > by racial epithets, i.e. the deer huntin' victims of Vang called him a "gook".
> >> > . . What they meant by "gook" was actually "spook" -- Vang is a former member
> >> > of the California National Guard and ribbon-winning sharpshooter. Many of the
> >> > Hmong people served in a cladestine military CIA operation in Laos during the
> >> > 1970's. If you should ever run into one of our badass Hmong neighbors DO NOT
> >> > FUCKIN' CALL THEM GOOKS!
> >>
> >> From news reports, one of the victims, the owner of the land, was named
> >> Robert Crotteau. The land seems to be located around Birchwood, WI.
> >>
> >> Is this the same Robert Crotteau?
> >>
> >> http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/op3.fwx?yr=00&num=1032&Submit1=Request+Opinion
> >>
> >> The driving distance from Birchwood to Rice Lake is just under 20 miles:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/6od74
> >>
> >> I suppose it's possible to have two guys with the same name living within
> >> 20 miles of each other...
> >>
> >
> > If it's the same alleged bank robber who also hunts cigarette butts--?
>
> I think it's pretty much academic now, in the light of new info, but I'm
> not sure what your point was above. I guess you were intimating that a
> cigarette butt scrounger would not be likely to be a land owner. If so,
> your point is taken, but on the other hand I've known several mega-losers
> who have inherited their parent's houses, etc. That's big land country
> out there (as it is in most rural areas) so it wasn't much of a stretch
> to imagine a bum who had a lot of land fall into his lap.
>
> > The above mentioned decedent
> > was mentioned to have enjoyed working on his truck, and I think that
> > good ol' boys with pick-up trucks with gun racks in the window are often
> > a bit nationalistic.
>
> Actually I think that was the son, Joey, who liked to work on his truck.
>
> I noticed something interesting during the time I spent in ultra-rural Idaho.
> It was that wherever you find kids, you'll also find fads. In the place that
> I spent time the fad was to have really big mud flaps on your beater pick-up
> truck. All the kids had to have them. No doubt they had to be a certain brand
> and a certain type in order to be considered cool. There also were, of course,
> a few kids who just had to take the concept to its extreme and drove around with
> mud flaps that were so long that they dragged on the ground by a good six inches.
>
> It reminded me of when I was a kid in high school in the east. The uniform back
> then was bell-bottom jeans. Actually "flairs", and they had to be a certain kind
> or else you were a loser. But then there were a few kids who wore "elephant bells".
> They were either attempting to buck the fad, or thought that bigger was better.
> Just like the kids in Idaho with the mud flaps.
>
> --
I'm sort of not surprised that someone who couldn't negotiate a pack
of smokes, or manage to roll-their-own, would be unable to avoid this
kind of altercation.
Further searches on the current hunting situation have it that there are
too many hunters and too little land to hunt on. One item detailed a goose
hunt involving two groups who both had permission to be on the same land
but were unaware of eachother, leading to a confrontation. I haven't had
any problems like this, nor been followed around in the woods by deranged
PETA advocates wearing elephant bells and mudflaps.
Correspondent:: polar bear
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:11:35 -0800
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In article <20041125221824.06162.00000779@mb-m27.aol.com>,
asscoassc@aol.comsucks (AssCo Assc) wrote:
> Apparent Wisconson gun-battle victor Chai Vang reports that his ire was irked
> by racial epithets, i.e. the deer huntin' victims of Vang called him a "gook".
> . . What they meant by "gook" was actually "spook" -- Vang is a former member
> of the California National Guard and ribbon-winning sharpshooter. Many of the
> Hmong people served in a cladestine military CIA operation in Laos during the
> 1970's. If you should ever run into one of our badass Hmong neighbors DO NOT
> FUCKIN' CALL THEM GOOKS!
My God, will this war ever end?
pb