Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:54:08 GMT
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Zapanaz wrote:
>On 15 Nov 2004 00:13:19 GMT, kdetal@aol.com (kdetal) wrote:
>
>>There are many things said on this newsgroup. Much about pinkness and
>>intelligence and monkeys and many other posts about icky, drippy things that I
>>pay no attention to. I stated recently that I don't blame mom and pop citizen
>>for being stupid any more than I blame a cat for eating a mouse.
>>
>>This assumes that the lack of intelligence of the average person is part of
>>their state of existance and unchangable. I submit a priori that if it were not
>>so, mom and pop would have exhibited the necessary drive and/or personality
>>characteristics necessary to to overcome their situational retardation, despite
>>the fact that they are environmentally programmed from birth to remain
>>exceptionally feebleminded in all areas except brand names, TV shows and who's
>>god is the best.
>>
>>As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it perpetuates
>>as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as fixed
>>as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
>>
>>If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?
>
>Personally I don't hold it against people that they're stupid.
>
>I don't know if I really believe in "stupid" at all, really. People
>have areas of competence, which are related to one another and
>strengthen each other where they are related. People develop a
>competence in one area and "brightness" seems to be mostly the ability
>to apply competence acquired in one area to another area.
>
>What does bother me, and scare me, is people who know they have no
>competence at all on a subject but think their opinion about it is
>valid anyway. The thread the last couple of days where all these
>morons have been holding forth about the nature of Islam has really
>been a good example. They KNOW they haven't got a clue what they're
>talking about, but really can't see why that might make their opinion
>less valid.
>
>It's an effect of Democracy. I really can't think of a better
>alternative to democracy, but people come to BELIEVE that their
>opinion is as valid as anbyody else's, because that's how democracy
>works. They come to ACCEPT that even if they have no clue at all what
>they are talking about, their opinion is still valid, as valid as that
>of somebody who does know what they're talking about. They are
>OFFENDED that anybody would argue otherwise. Isn't that what
>democracy is all about? You can be COMPLETELY CLUELESS, but your
>opinion still matters!
>
>I posted to that thread blasting people for having a view of world
>affiars on a level with comic books, and drew 4 or 5 very indignant
>resposes (a large percentage of the people in the thread). Not one of
>them tried to argue that they were, in fact, well informed. They were
>just mad that I thought that MATTERED.
>
>Every election people take to the streets, urging people to vote, to
>make the democratic process work. To not be DISENFRANCHISED. Well I
>think that people with no clue should STAY disenfranchised.
>
>
>It goes beyond voting though. It's a belief system. People really
>believe that their opinion is valid, because it's their opinion. They
>grasp vaguely that there are people in the world who are
>better-informed on a given issue than they are, but they don't think
>that MATTERS. When you TAKE IT TO THE VOTE, the PEOPLE WILL SPEAK.
>
>Which is true-but-unfortunate.
>
>But as in so many things ... and it's the one really valuable lesson
>in the occult ... what is real is what people believe to be real. We
>have taught people that their opinion is not just worth an equal
>number of votes to the opinion of somebody better-informed, but is AS
>VALUABLE.
>
>Now you and I and anybody who spend any time thinking about it know
>that isn't the case.
>
>And ASSUME that people in general will realize this. But people in
>general do not think critically. People in general do not examine and
>question their lives. People in general form a weltanschauung based
>on what they are told is real.
>
>The time has come to STOP enfranchising people.
Top Domino's Franchisee Frank Meeks Dies
By Joe Holley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 15, 2004; Page B05
Frank Meeks, whose enthusiasm for pizza, politics and promotion garnered him an extra-large slice of the local pizza-delivery market and whose Domino's Pizza franchise, known as "Team Washington," often delivered to the White House, the Pentagon and Congress, died Nov. 9 of complications from pneumonia at Sibley Memorial Hospital. He was 48 and lived in Mount Vernon.
Mr. Meeks, who owned 60 Domino's Pizza operations in the area, was often in the public eye with his off-the-wall antics, political predictions and creative promotions. In December, for example, he announced that the Pizza Meter -- an unscientific poll that examines the relationship between pizza orders and public events -- found that the top fake name used that year by people ordering pizza was Paris Hilton, the hotel heiress.
The meter also found that the night of Saddam Hussein's capture was the biggest tipping night of the year and that the Washington Redskins order more pizza than any other NFL team.
"P.R. is not as important as the quality of pizza and the service, but it gets people's attention," Mr. Meeks told The Washington Post this year. "It's made Washington, D.C., one of the strongest markets for Domino's Pizza in the world."
Mr. Meeks enjoyed pointing out that his stores have delivered pizza to five U.S. presidents. He claimed that pizza delivery was something of a barometer for major political and military decisions, noting the short-term increases in deliveries to government offices on nights prior to the invasion of Grenada and the start of the Persian Gulf War.
During the first government shutdown in 1995, then-Senate Majority Whip Trent Lott, an old friend and fellow Mississippian, called Mr. Meeks late one night to say Republican senators were caucusing and had no place to eat. Mr. Meeks delivered the pizzas himself.
He did the same thing in 1997 when White House negotiators were working with Republican congressional leaders to craft a balanced budget. "Newt Gingrich said . . . he was going to break his diet," Mr. Meeks said sometime later.
Mr. Meeks, an ardent Republican, claimed that particular delivery precipitated the Monica Lewinsky affair. It was the White House intern who reported to President Clinton that the pizza had arrived.
Politics brought Mr. Meeks to Washington. Born in Hattiesburg, Miss., he grew up in Gulfport and graduated from the University of Southern Mississippi, where he majored in political science and English and was elected student body president. He planned to go to law school, but in 1979 he borrowed his mother's car and became a pizza deliveryman for Domino's in Biloxi to defray education costs. Soon after becoming a store manager, he decided that being "a pizza guy" was his future. His parents were "kind of horrified," he recalled in 1998.
In 1972, he had coordinated the youth vote for Lott, then an unknown attorney in Pascagoula, Miss., who was running for a congressional seat in his first try for public office. When Lott won, Mr. Meeks moved to Washington to work as his congressional aide.
After working in Lott's office from 1981 to 1983, Mr. Meeks returned full time to Domino's, a privately owned company based in Ann Arbor, Mich., and was awarded the franchise rights for Northern Virginia, Maryland and the District. He was 26.
Although area banks told him the District was too sophisticated to eat delivered pizza, he knew from his experience on Capitol Hill that there was a ready market in the area because of the many single people and households in which both parents worked.
He operated his business from his home and opened his first store in July 1983, on Duke Street in Alexandria. Four years later, he owned more Domino's locations than any other franchisee in the system.
Mr. Meeks ran his business with something of a rah-rah spirit reminiscent of his college days. Instead of regular weekly business meetings, he held pep rallies, followed by a 10K run with the company's managers.
A fitness buff, he once was asked why he made his living as a purveyor of what many consider junk food. His response was that pizza was one of the healthiest fast foods and that a pizza with meat and vegetables offered all four food groups.
In 1991, Mr. Meeks, then 34, tried to buy Domino's Pizza Inc., from its founder, Tom Monaghan, and move the company to the Washington area. Monaghan, who wanted $1.2 billion for the company, sold it in 1998 to a Boston-based equity investment firm.
In a 1998 interview with The Post, Monaghan described Mr. Meeks as "the greatest franchisee in the history of Domino's."
He was active in numerous philanthropic efforts, including the Children's National Medical Center, Food & Friends and local Little League, and awarded scholarships to his franchise's outstanding team members.
Mr. Meeks was active in Northern Virginia Republican politics. He was a strong financial supporter of J. Marshall Coleman when Coleman ran for governor in 1989 against L. Douglas Wilder, and there was talk among Republican Party leaders in the early 1990s that he might run for Congress. He told The Post in 1991 that he had put aside that dream. "I wouldn't take such a demotion," he said. "It's more profitable to be a pizza delivery boy than a congressman."
Survivors include his mother, Janice Meeks of Woodstock, Ga.; and a brother, Jimmy Meeks of Alexandria.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company
Correspondent:: "Slack Master K.O.N."
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:21:46 -0500
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MMM Domino's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My personal favourite (along with 7-11 chilli/cheese pumper dogs)
last year I ate domino's 5 days a week!
I even found a domino's in Greece! Not quite as good as the Canadian
Domino's but hey.
Correspondent:: drdark@37.com (DoktorDark)
Date: 15 Nov 2004 10:48:25 -0800
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Zapanaz wrote in message
> The time has come to STOP enfranchising people. The time has come to
> STOP being "up with people". The time has come to try to get across
> to ignorant people that they are ignorant, and to get them to accept
> this. To STOP thinking of themselves as important little American
> citizens.
That's right. And, ignorant or idiot savant, if properly seasoned,
they ALL make good stew.
Correspondent:: rlan538885@aol.comnobozos (RLan538885)
Date: 15 Nov 2004 20:09:24 GMT
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>That's right. And, ignorant or idiot savant, if properly seasoned,
>they ALL make good stew.
>
I disagree. Republicans tend to be somewhat bitter and gamey.
"100,000 lemmings can't be wrong."
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:24:49 GMT
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In article <20041114191319.06675.00000506@mb-m15.aol.com>,
kdetal@aol.com (kdetal) wrote:
> As such, I posit that intrinsic stupidity, regardless of whether it
> perpetuates as a result of nature or nurture, is a state of being and unchangable; as
> fixed as the cat's instinct to catch mice.
> > If this is the case, how can one blame mom and pop?
Its too late for such niceties. I've already made a grotesque marimba
from the dried skulls of 4 octaves' worth of them and I use nunchakus as
the mallets. Look for my float at the next Mardi Gras; I'll be throwing
people "beads" made from their kidney stones. Never let it be said that
the Subgenius is an underacheiver.
--
HellPope Huey
DobbsCo. Magic Magnifying Funhouse Mirror
("Makes things appear more Slackful than they really are.")
Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane.
Philip K. Dick, "Valis"
"The sky is falling; damage estimate to follow."
- "The West Wing"
Correspondent:: drdark@37.com (DoktorDark)
Date: 19 Nov 2004 13:11:03 -0800
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If Pop wouldn't have popped his rocks in Mom, there would be no Mon &
Pop to blame. So I guess that the fundies are right: ABSTAIN, NOT CUM
STAIN!