Deeply disturbing, reality as sci-fi / horror
Correspondent:: "Drifter Bob"
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:32:43 -0600
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This scares me about the future 100 times more than Bushites re-election.
Only a SubG mind could possibly put this in perspective for me, and I am
hereby begging you to do so.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/index.html
Ia Ia Cthulhu!!!!
DB
Correspondent:: "Drifter Bob"
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:38:36 -0600
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A bit more detailed article
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/robot-04zm.html
Correspondent:: "Michael"
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 02:46:03 GMT
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ITS ABOUT BLOODY TIME!
"Drifter Bob" wrote in message
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>A bit more detailed article
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> http://www.spacedaily.com/news/robot-04zm.html
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Correspondent:: Rev DJ Epoch
Date: 5 Nov 2004 14:17:34 GMT
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"Michael" wrote in news:LPBid.14071$K7.8376@news-
server.bigpond.net.au:
> ITS ABOUT BLOODY TIME!
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> "Drifter Bob" wrote in message
> news:41yid.266270$as2.16881@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>A bit more detailed article
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>> http://www.spacedaily.com/news/robot-04zm.html
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It's the beginning of the Forbin Project. In just 3 years Colossus WILL be
built and we'll ALL be under the bootheel of the machine.
--
The Church of Our Lady of Prepetual Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM
Correspondent:: "Drifter Bob"
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:05:07 -0600
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"Rev DJ Epoch" wrote in message n
> "Michael" wrote in>
> > ITS ABOUT BLOODY TIME!
> >
> >
> > "Drifter Bob" wrote in message
> > news:41yid.266270$as2.16881@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >>A bit more detailed article
> >>
> >> http://www.spacedaily.com/news/robot-04zm.html
> >>
> It's the beginning of the Forbin Project. In just 3 years Colossus WILL be
> built and we'll ALL be under the bootheel of the machine.
>
It reminds me of that Lovecraft story, with the human brains in the jars,
the whisperer in the darkness? and of the matrix, and of (especially)
robocop and terminator. We already have global hawk and predator:
semi-autonomous robots controlled by AI, already killing people in war
zones. Wider military applications are a certainty. DARPA, the gang who
brought us the internet, is sponsoring contests to create AI driving
vehicles suitible for warfare, they are close to success. They are also
sponsoring another robot made for fixing the space station. The israelis
are using RC bulldozers to wreck palestinaian homes... cops all over the US
already have RC robots armed with shotguns etc. for breaking into barricaded
sites... jamming will put a stop to this eventually and then AI is the only
asnswer
How long before autonomous robots, or now apparently cyborgs, will be used
against U.S. citizens?
DB
Correspondent:: Rev DJ Epoch
Date: 8 Nov 2004 13:36:24 GMT
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"Drifter Bob" wrote in
news:UTQid.24781$cS6.9489@bignews6.bellsouth.net:
> "Rev DJ Epoch" wrote in message n
>> "Michael" wrote in>
>> > ITS ABOUT BLOODY TIME!
>> >
>> >
>> > "Drifter Bob" wrote in message
>> > news:41yid.266270$as2.16881@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> >>A bit more detailed article
>> >>
>> >> http://www.spacedaily.com/news/robot-04zm.html
>> >>
>> It's the beginning of the Forbin Project. In just 3 years Colossus WILL
>> be built and we'll ALL be under the bootheel of the machine.
>>
>
> It reminds me of that Lovecraft story, with the human brains in the
> jars, the whisperer in the darkness? and of the matrix, and of
> (especially) robocop and terminator. We already have global hawk and
> predator: semi-autonomous robots controlled by AI, already killing
> people in war zones. Wider military applications are a certainty.
> DARPA, the gang who brought us the internet, is sponsoring contests to
> create AI driving vehicles suitible for warfare, they are close to
> success. They are also sponsoring another robot made for fixing the
> space station. The israelis are using RC bulldozers to wreck
> palestinaian homes... cops all over the US already have RC robots armed
> with shotguns etc. for breaking into barricaded sites... jamming will
> put a stop to this eventually and then AI is the only asnswer
>
> How long before autonomous robots, or now apparently cyborgs, will be
> used against U.S. citizens?
>
> DB
>
>
>
Global Hawk and Preditor are about as smart as a cruise missle. Big diff is
they're reconnisance for the most part. They've slung some ordinance on one
and proved they could remotely seek out a target and hit it with an
unmanned RPV (Remotely Piloted Vehicle), but the unit itself has no
autonomy to decide what to strike. The "pilot" at the remote site still has
to hit the "Launch" button. I still forsee humans in the loop for the next
ten years even it they're just sitting at a console munching donuts and
waiting for the RPV to flash a message saying "Hey! Look at this!"
The space station robot is just a remote set of eyes and arms for the human
operator. Saves him having to suit up to do simple maintenence jobs
outside. Still about a year away on that one.
The robots the cops are using are not running AI. To many unknows to
program all the variables it would require to do the job properly. Some of
the bomb-disposal jobs are still wireline-controlled to insure RF doesn't
set off the explosives.
Anyway, it's kind of hard to jam a spread-spectrum signal. Not impossible,
but the close proximity of the controller to the remote unit pretty well
guarantees enough signal getting through to have reliable control.
As for cyborgs, you could almost classify anyone coming back from Iraq
minus a limb with a high-tech replacement as a cyborg. Gotta be one or two
working in law enforcement by now.
--
The Church of Our Lady of Prepetual Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM
It's all fun and games until someone swallows a quantum singularity and
implodes.
Correspondent:: "Drifter Bob"
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:20:41 -0600
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"Rev DJ Epoch" wrote in message
>
> Global Hawk and Preditor are about as smart as a cruise missle. Big diff
is
> they're reconnisance for the most part. They've slung some ordinance on
one
> and proved they could remotely seek out a target and hit it with an
> unmanned RPV (Remotely Piloted Vehicle), but the unit itself has no
> autonomy to decide what to strike. The "pilot" at the remote site still
has
> to hit the "Launch" button. I still forsee humans in the loop for the next
> ten years even it they're just sitting at a console munching donuts and
> waiting for the RPV to flash a message saying "Hey! Look at this!"
>
> The space station robot is just a remote set of eyes and arms for the
human
> operator. Saves him having to suit up to do simple maintenence jobs
> outside. Still about a year away on that one.
>
> The robots the cops are using are not running AI. To many unknows to
> program all the variables it would require to do the job properly. Some of
> the bomb-disposal jobs are still wireline-controlled to insure RF doesn't
> set off the explosives.
>
> Anyway, it's kind of hard to jam a spread-spectrum signal. Not impossible,
> but the close proximity of the controller to the remote unit pretty well
> guarantees enough signal getting through to have reliable control.
>
> As for cyborgs, you could almost classify anyone coming back from Iraq
> minus a limb with a high-tech replacement as a cyborg. Gotta be one or two
> working in law enforcement by now.
Global Hawk, I believe, does take off and land autonomously, which is an
ominous first step. And yes, a human theoretically has to press a button to
fire a hellfire, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen by accident,
(knowing the militry I'm sure the first tragic accident is only a short time
away) or that the capability to autonomously use the weapon has not already
been built in. Thats trivial though.
And I realise all the current generation of police vehicles and most of the
military stuff is still essentially remote control, but I belive jamming
will become much more widespread as the RPV type vehicles are used more and
more. This could happen quite quickly assuming the NeoCons keep us in more
or less constant wars in third world areas for the next few years.
Have you seen the AI / autonomus Humvee vehicle which came in first place in
the DARPA land vehicle contest? Far more sinister than the much more
primitive bots the DOD has been building.
One bit of good news as far as I'm concerned, is that probably thousands of
civilians in the US, Australia, New Zealand and the British Isles have been
building, testing, and constantly improving near military-grade remote
control robots.
DB
Correspondent:: "Drifter Bob"
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 17:24:00 -0600
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> One bit of good news as far as I'm concerned, is that probably thousands
of
> civilians in the US, Australia, New Zealand and the British Isles have
been
> building, testing, and constantly improving near military-grade remote
> control robots.
I should add, for the contests in those silly robot wars tv shows...
Imagine the potential civilian, and perhaps criminal applications of
remotely controlled robots like that. Especially if you combine remote
control with the internet. Imagine for example a robot crack dealer.
DB
Correspondent:: Rev DJ Epoch
Date: 9 Nov 2004 15:09:04 GMT
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"Drifter Bob" wrote in
news:a1Tjd.44624$T_.21404@bignews4.bellsouth.net:
> "Rev DJ Epoch" wrote in message
>>
>> Global Hawk and Preditor are about as smart as a cruise missle. Big
>> diff
> is
>> they're reconnisance for the most part. They've slung some ordinance on
> one
>> and proved they could remotely seek out a target and hit it with an
>> unmanned RPV (Remotely Piloted Vehicle), but the unit itself has no
>> autonomy to decide what to strike. The "pilot" at the remote site still
> has
>> to hit the "Launch" button. I still forsee humans in the loop for the
>> next ten years even it they're just sitting at a console munching
>> donuts and waiting for the RPV to flash a message saying "Hey! Look at
>> this!"
>>
>> The space station robot is just a remote set of eyes and arms for the
> human
>> operator. Saves him having to suit up to do simple maintenence jobs
>> outside. Still about a year away on that one.
>>
>> The robots the cops are using are not running AI. To many unknows to
>> program all the variables it would require to do the job properly. Some
>> of the bomb-disposal jobs are still wireline-controlled to insure RF
>> doesn't set off the explosives.
>>
>> Anyway, it's kind of hard to jam a spread-spectrum signal. Not
>> impossible, but the close proximity of the controller to the remote
>> unit pretty well guarantees enough signal getting through to have
>> reliable control.
>>
>> As for cyborgs, you could almost classify anyone coming back from Iraq
>> minus a limb with a high-tech replacement as a cyborg. Gotta be one or
>> two working in law enforcement by now.
>
> Global Hawk, I believe, does take off and land autonomously, which is an
> ominous first step. And yes, a human theoretically has to press a
> button to fire a hellfire, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen by
> accident, (knowing the militry I'm sure the first tragic accident is
> only a short time away) or that the capability to autonomously use the
> weapon has not already been built in. Thats trivial though.
>
> And I realise all the current generation of police vehicles and most of
> the military stuff is still essentially remote control, but I belive
> jamming will become much more widespread as the RPV type vehicles are
> used more and more. This could happen quite quickly assuming the
> NeoCons keep us in more or less constant wars in third world areas for
> the next few years.
>
> Have you seen the AI / autonomus Humvee vehicle which came in first
> place in the DARPA land vehicle contest? Far more sinister than the
> much more primitive bots the DOD has been building.
>
> One bit of good news as far as I'm concerned, is that probably thousands
> of civilians in the US, Australia, New Zealand and the British Isles
> have been building, testing, and constantly improving near
> military-grade remote control robots.
>
> DB
>
>
Well, unless the jammers themselves are airborne it's not going to be easy
as they RPVs use satellite links and are looking up for a signal usually,
not down at the battlefield. They have some shortrange direct comm for
positive control during takeoff/landing ops, but the autonomy aspect is no
more complicated than the autoland functions on a 767 jumbo jet. Set two
nav beams at right angles and it'll follow the beam track down to the
ground using radio altimeter to judge height and when to flair and cut
power.
The hummer AI is so rudamentary that all it's doing is terrain matching and
object avoidance using GPS to confirm where it should be in relation to the
track. I doubt it's going to be smart enough to say "I need fuel" and pull
itself into a Circle K, tank up and grab a quart of oil and take off for
the Baja races on it's own.
Now I can wrap a neuron or two around the idea of civillian robots once the
rebellion begins. Having small recon bots spot the incoming jackboots and
instead of a bunch of glorps wearing skimasks and throwing Molotov
cocktails challenging them it's KillZilla and Rhinobot charging them with
flamethrowers and spinning blades while airborne helioraptors throw mayhem
inside their defence perimeters. And you just KNOW there's a mechanically-
incined redneck or two in the south who have thought of mounting a couple
of rifles (or other items) on them with a pencil cam sight to target the
shots.
--
The Church of Our Lady of Prepetual Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM
Correspondent:: "ouroboros rex"
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:13:17 -0600
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"Drifter Bob" wrote in message
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> This scares me about the future 100 times more than Bushites re-election.
> Only a SubG mind could possibly put this in perspective for me, and I am
> hereby begging you to do so.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/index.html
>
> Ia Ia Cthulhu!!!!
>
>
> DB
Gradually the brain learnt to control the flight of the plane
'Learnt'?
I wouldn't worry too much just yet.
Correspondent:: "Drifter Bob"
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:12:08 -0600
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"ouroboros rex" wrote in message >
> "Drifter Bob" wrote in message
> > This scares me about the future 100 times more than Bushites
re-election.
> > Only a SubG mind could possibly put this in perspective for me, and I am
> > hereby begging you to do so.
> >
> > http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/02/brain.dish/index.html
> >
> > Ia Ia Cthulhu!!!!
> >
> >
> > DB
>
> Gradually the brain learnt to control the flight of the plane
>
> 'Learnt'?
>
> I wouldn't worry too much just yet.
George W. can't pronounce Nuclear either, and probably can't spell it, but I
doubt that means he couldn't
but here is another level, how the hell do they "train" random brain cells
to fly a flight sim? What are the mechanics of this? Are they shocking it
when the plane goes into a spin or crashes? How does the pile of rat brain
neurons percieve the virtual airplane... what kind of feedback is it
getting?
if this isn't some kind of hoax, there are some wierd principles of brain
cell development that I was never, ever taught about or even hinted toward.
and as for the fate of the pile of cells in a petri dish,
this is like care dog meets pee bear, at the very end.
Horror.