Artificial Nietzsche
Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:41:57 +1100
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>>As Nietzsche would say the three great stimulants of this exhausted
>>(reclined) culture are the brutal(war), the artificial (flesh prosthetics) and
>>the innocent (idiotic).
>
>
> Well, Nietzsche is God.
i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously. he was good for a
laugh, much in the same way Paminifarm is. but Nhgh forbid anyone should
base their life on what passes for thoughts in his case.
oo, oo! i just got an SMS from someone calling themself Riannon. wrong
number, obviously, so i replied "Táim as mo mheabhair!"
--
"Objection, evasion, happy distrust, pleasure in mockery are signs of
health;
everything unconditional belongs in pathology."
- Nietzsche
"That which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil."
- Nietzsche
"When a woman becomes a scholar there is usually something wrong with
her sexual organs."
- Nietzsche
"1 + 1 may not always equal 2, because no-one has done it a million
times before!"
- Russ Wuertz
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:31:08 -0800
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:41:57 +1100, nikolai kingsley
wrote:
>
>>>As Nietzsche would say the three great stimulants of this exhausted
>>>(reclined) culture are the brutal(war), the artificial (flesh prosthetics) and
>>>the innocent (idiotic).
>>
yeah Nietzsche had a lot to say about flesh prosthetics.
>>
>> Well, Nietzsche is God.
>
>
>i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously. he was good for a
>laugh, much in the same way Paminifarm is. but Nhgh forbid anyone should
>base their life on what passes for thoughts in his case.
>
>
>oo, oo! i just got an SMS from someone calling themself Riannon. wrong
>number, obviously, so i replied "Táim as mo mheabhair!"
>
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
Q: What's the difference between Bill Palmer and a pedophile?
A: None
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:51:19 -0800
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nikolai kingsley wrote:
>
>
> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
is to say, DUMBASSES.
Correspondent:: BELANGER
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:56:36 -0500
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nenslo insists:
>nikolai kingsley wrote:
>>
>>
>> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>
>Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
>is to say, DUMBASSES.
I resent that.
At any rate, give te guy a break--he was, after all, dying of syphilis
when he wrote half of that stuff.
--
BELANGER
Though not: "Woman is not yet capable of friendship: women are still
cats and birds. Or at best, cows."
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:00:31 -0800
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:56:36 -0500, BELANGER
wrote:
>nenslo insists:
>
>>nikolai kingsley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>>
>>Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
>>is to say, DUMBASSES.
>
>I resent that.
>
>At any rate, give te guy a break--he was, after all, dying of syphilis
>when he wrote half of that stuff.
Nietzsche went mad, Beethoven went deaf, and Kurosawa went blind.
Nenslo though rolls right along.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"God, grant me SERENITY to deal with problems I can't change,
COURAGE to face the challenges of all other problems and
WISDOM to hide the bodies of those who fuck with me."
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:38:49 GMT
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In article ,
Zapanaz wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:56:36 -0500, BELANGER
> wrote:
> >nenslo insists:
> >>nikolai kingsley wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
> >>
> >>Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
> >>is to say, DUMBASSES.
> >
> >I resent that.
> >At any rate, give te guy a break--he was, after all, dying of syphilis
> >when he wrote half of that stuff.
>
> Nietzsche went mad, Beethoven went deaf, and Kurosawa went blind.
> Nenslo though rolls right along.
Yeah, but he does it while riding a bike while clad in an apron. Put
that up your ass and smoke it. Extra tentacles, please.
--
HellPope Huey
Arguing with an idiot is like building an origami dildo;
its often fun to do, but it ain't goin' nowhere.
Society has traditionally always tried
to find scapegoats for its problems.
Well, here I am.
- Marilyn Manson
"I wanted to show that I have other colors
people might not be expecting to see."
- George Carlin
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:42:09 -0800
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:38:49 GMT, HellPope Huey
wrote:
>In article ,
> Zapanaz wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:56:36 -0500, BELANGER
>> wrote:
>> >nenslo insists:
>> >>nikolai kingsley wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>> >>
>> >>Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
>> >>is to say, DUMBASSES.
>> >
>> >I resent that.
>> >At any rate, give te guy a break--he was, after all, dying of syphilis
>> >when he wrote half of that stuff.
>>
>> Nietzsche went mad, Beethoven went deaf, and Kurosawa went blind.
>> Nenslo though rolls right along.
>
> Yeah, but he does it while riding a bike while clad in an apron. Put
>that up your ass and smoke it. Extra tentacles, please.
If God is dead that means all this just SUCKS
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
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Sometimes an eldritch book procrastinates, but soon I was to find that an
exceedingly strange wedge always reached an understanding with an accidentally
makeshift egg!
- From "A Horror From a Mushroom" by P Love Technology of H
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:57:28 GMT
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In article <3or4p053ik6iaid412lr7jgmtuop843aeo@4ax.com>,
Zapanaz wrote:
>>> If God is dead that means all this just SUCKS
And if He is NOT, does that mean its really swell or that He is just a
vicious, schizophrenic SOB?
--
HellPope Huey
Arguing with an idiot
is like building an origami dildo;
its often fun to do, but it ain't goin' nowhere.
Society has traditionally always tried
to find scapegoats for its problems.
Well, here I am.
- Marilyn Manson
"I wanted to show that I have other colors
people might not be expecting to see."
- George Carlin
Correspondent:: "Kristian Lahdensuo"
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:32:56 +0200
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"BELANGER" kirjoitti
viestissä:mpe3p0dh2dt2697enqun3o03cohc277q8r@4ax.com...
> nenslo insists:
>
>>nikolai kingsley wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>>
>>Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
>>is to say, DUMBASSES.
>
> I resent that.
Me too.
Nietzsche has some vitality that is lost at older age when you hope that
things were more peaceful. You support your beliefs which appeal to you at
any time, even if not true.
If Nietzsche appeal to you, your youth is an advantage. Not all youngsters
are fools.
Neecher was a fucking genius. In Finnish the word "genius" is "Nero", the
Roman emperor.
(subgenius=alinero)
Alinero o-jo-oo
Burn the Rome
Burn the flames burn
Alinero cares not
> At any rate, give te guy a break--he was, after all, dying of syphilis
> when he wrote half of that stuff.
which is kind of strange when he only slept once with his sister..
Correspondent:: yourweightonthemoon@yahoo.com (your weight on the moon)
Date: 10 Nov 2004 14:09:58 -0800
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"Kristian Lahdensuo" wrote in message
> Nietzsche has some vitality that is lost at older age when you hope that
"Blessed are the sleepy, for they shall soon drop off."
(Eh. I prefer Kraus: "If someone calls me vain and mean, I know that
he trusts me and has something to confess to me.")
Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:30:11 -0800
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Kristian Lahdensuo wrote:
>
> Nietzsche has some vitality that is lost at older age when you hope that
> things were more peaceful.
Yeah, so does GWAR.
Correspondent:: "Kristian LaHDensuo"
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:30:11 +0200
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"nenslo" kirjoitti
viestissä:41929673.83DD59EF@yahoox.com...
> Kristian Lahdensuo wrote:
>>
>> Nietzsche has some vitality that is lost at older age when you hope that
>> things were more peaceful.
>
> Yeah, so does GWAR.
I agree with this post.
Correspondent:: Caine
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:46:32 -0700
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BELANGER wrote:
> nenslo insists:
>
>
>>nikolai kingsley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>>
>>Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
>>is to say, DUMBASSES.
>
>
> I resent that.
>
> At any rate, give te guy a break--he was, after all, dying of syphilis
> when he wrote half of that stuff.
>
That's true. At least he didn't have cum on his chin.
Caine
If my ear were a sponge I'd drink from it
Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:28:44 -0800
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BELANGER wrote:
>
> nenslo insists:
>
> >nikolai kingsley wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
> >
> >Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
> >is to say, DUMBASSES.
>
> I resent that.
Well you know why that is, don't you.
>
> At any rate, give te guy a break--he was, after all, dying of syphilis
> when he wrote half of that stuff.
I guess since he was having his brain destroyed by a vile disease he
deserves our respect.
Seriously, I never tried to read his stuff until I was about 35, and I
was like What the Fuck! It was like the kind of stuff teenage boys put
up on their website before they shoot up their high school. All this "I
have a right to kill you because I am so goth." Marcus Aurelius and
Epictetus totally kick that whiny bastard's damn ass. Even Erasmus
whips up on that sick-dicked kraut putz.
Correspondent:: BELANGER
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:06:04 -0500
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nenslo insists:
>Seriously, I never tried to read his stuff until I was about 35, and I
>was like What the Fuck! It was like the kind of stuff teenage boys put
>up on their website before they shoot up their high school.
We all remember that classic passage from _Beyond Good and Evil_:
My soul feels so much pain
Sheets of emotional rain
They will all understand me
When the razor kisses my carpal vein
Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:52:45 +1100
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> It was like the kind of stuff teenage boys put
> up on their website before they shoot up their high school.
this is the best encapsulation of Fred N. i've ever seen. you could
write this on a piece of paper, print "Nietzsche for Dummies" on the
other side and get it published.
Correspondent:: "Kristian LaHDensuo"
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:26:28 +0200
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"nikolai kingsley" kirjoitti
viestissä:2vfnpaF2l8a7dU3@uni-berlin.de...
>
> > It was like the kind of stuff teenage boys put
>> up on their website before they shoot up their high school.
>
>
>
> this is the best encapsulation of Fred N. i've ever seen. you could write
> this on a piece of paper, print "Nietzsche for Dummies" on the other side
> and get it published.
I wouldn't buy it if it didn't come with a fake moustache.
I just hate that I look very dumb with moustache. I thought that they would
be impressive, expressing high intelligence.
"What? A great man? I always see only the actor of his own ideal." -FN
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:28:55 GMT
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Kristian LaHDensuo wrote:
> "nikolai kingsley" kirjoitti
> viestissä:2vfnpaF2l8a7dU3@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > > It was like the kind of stuff teenage boys put
> >> up on their website before they shoot up their high school.
> >
> >
> >
> > this is the best encapsulation of Fred N. i've ever seen. you could write
> > this on a piece of paper, print "Nietzsche for Dummies" on the other side
> > and get it published.
>
> I wouldn't buy it if it didn't come with a fake moustache.
> I just hate that I look very dumb with moustache. I thought that they would
> be impressive, expressing high intelligence.
>
> "What? A great man? I always see only the actor of his own ideal." -FN
Nenslo's wife has a moustache like Nietzsche.
Correspondent:: "Kristian LaHDensuo"
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 20:22:19 +0200
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"König Prüß" <=?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6nig=20Pr=FC=DF?=>; "GfbAEV"
kirjoitti
viestissä:41937726.65CEE3F4@ranunculus.org...
>
>
> Kristian LaHDensuo wrote:
>
>> "nikolai kingsley" kirjoitti
>> viestissä:2vfnpaF2l8a7dU3@uni-berlin.de...
>> >
>> > > It was like the kind of stuff teenage boys put
>> >> up on their website before they shoot up their high school.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > this is the best encapsulation of Fred N. i've ever seen. you could
>> > write
>> > this on a piece of paper, print "Nietzsche for Dummies" on the other
>> > side
>> > and get it published.
>>
>> I wouldn't buy it if it didn't come with a fake moustache.
>> I just hate that I look very dumb with moustache. I thought that they
>> would
>> be impressive, expressing high intelligence.
>>
>> "What? A great man? I always see only the actor of his own ideal." -FN
>
> Nenslo's wife has a moustache like Nietzsche.
She also has a syphilis.
Correspondent:: HellPope Huey
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:36:51 GMT
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In article <4193add9$1_1@news.dnainternet.net>,
"Kristian LaHDensuo" wrote:
> "König Prüß" <=?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6nig=20Pr=FC=DF?=>; "GfbAEV"
> > Nenslo's wife has a moustache like Nietzsche.
>
> She also has a syphilis.
You'd better not mess with her, man. She can drive nails with her
nipples. It explains a lot about why Nenslo is THAT WAY.
--
HellPope Huey
Narcoleptic ninja weasels: Nature's lithe failures
I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, Doctor
and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it.
- Jimmy Stewart, in "Harvey"
"Do you know how hard it is
to get a nicotine patch
to stick to a monkey?"
- "Dharma & Greg"
Correspondent:: nikolai kingsley
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:05:49 +1100
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>>this is the best encapsulation of Fred N. i've ever seen. you could write
>>this on a piece of paper, print "Nietzsche for Dummies" on the other side
>>and get it published.
>
> I wouldn't buy it if it didn't come with a fake moustache.
okay. "Nietzsche for Dummies" will contain:
one page with the Nensletic text on it.
another page made of cardboard with a large moustache printed on it,
with dotted lines to show you where to cut. any potential Nietzchean
ubermensch will have their own scissors.
a spot you can lick which will give you syphilis. we'll need a moistened
Rev.IID Meow for the production end of that.
a brief german-english phrase page. we don't really need it, but we have
to pad this fucker out somehow.
Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:55:26 GMT
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nenslo wrote:
> BELANGER wrote:
>>
>> nenslo insists:
>>
>> >nikolai kingsley wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>> >
>> >Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
>> >is to say, DUMBASSES.
>>
>> I resent that.
>
> Well you know why that is, don't you.
>
>>
>> At any rate, give te guy a break--he was, after all, dying of syphilis
>> when he wrote half of that stuff.
>
> I guess since he was having his brain destroyed by a vile disease he
> deserves our respect.
>
> Seriously, I never tried to read his stuff until I was about 35, and I
> was like What the Fuck! It was like the kind of stuff teenage boys put
> up on their website before they shoot up their high school. All this "I
> have a right to kill you because I am so goth." Marcus Aurelius and
> Epictetus totally kick that whiny bastard's damn ass. Even Erasmus
> whips up on that sick-dicked kraut putz.
I agree with this poast.
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 10 Nov 2004 19:37:13 -0800
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If you gaze for long into an abyss, Batman FUCKS YOU UP THE ASS to
teach you a lesson and then lets you go. Just ask Robin.
--
HellPope Huey
Arguing with an idiot
is like building an origami dildo;
its often fun to do, but it ain't goin' nowhere.
Society has traditionally always tried
to find scapegoats for its problems.
Well, here I am.
- Marilyn Manson
"I wanted to show that I have other colors
people might not be expecting to see."
- George Carlin
Correspondent:: Caine
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:45:32 -0700
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nenslo wrote:
> nikolai kingsley wrote:
>
>>
>>i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>
>
> Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
> is to say, DUMBASSES.
But wasn't he right about the abyss, huh?
Caine
Look into my eyes and...
Tell me you need me...
Correspondent:: "Kristian Lahdensuo"
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:49:25 +0200
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"Caine" kirjoitti
viestissä:Wo-dncKtc-3IYgzcRVn-vA@comcast.com...
> nenslo wrote:
>> nikolai kingsley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>>
>>
>> Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
>> is to say, DUMBASSES.
>
>
> But wasn't he right about the abyss, huh?
>
> Caine
>
> Look into my eyes and...
> Tell me you need me...
and the eyes that stare trough the darkness
but they have no form
there is no need for alarm
so burn
higher -- and higher
(roky erickson - burn the flames)
every creature is staring -- even the mouse.
buahaahaa
Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:34:02 -0800
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Kristian Lahdensuo wrote:
>
>
> every creature is staring -- even the mouse.
I agree with this post.
Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:31:43 -0800
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Caine wrote:
>
> nenslo wrote:
> > nikolai kingsley wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
> >
> >
> > Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
> > is to say, DUMBASSES.
>
> But wasn't he right about the abyss, huh?
>
That movie sucked.
Correspondent:: aldopignotti@yahoo.com (Aldo Pignotti)
Date: 10 Nov 2004 05:37:10 -0800
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nenslo wrote in message news:<4191BA66.CDDD444D@yahoox.com>...
> nikolai kingsley wrote:
> >
> >
> > i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>
> Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
> is to say, DUMBASSES.
and Nazis.
Correspondent:: nenslo
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:32:52 -0800
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Aldo Pignotti wrote:
>
> nenslo wrote in message news:<4191BA66.CDDD444D@yahoox.com>...
> > nikolai kingsley wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
> >
> > Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
> > is to say, DUMBASSES.
>
> and Nazis.
Therefore anyone who likes Nietzche is a Nazi dumbass. Q.E.D.
Correspondent:: Zapanaz
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:01:52 -0800
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:32:52 -0800, nenslo wrote:
>Aldo Pignotti wrote:
>>
>> nenslo wrote in message news:<4191BA66.CDDD444D@yahoox.com>...
>> > nikolai kingsley wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously.
>> >
>> > Nietzsche is one of the philosophers who appeals solely to youth. Which
>> > is to say, DUMBASSES.
>>
>> and Nazis.
>
>Therefore anyone who likes Nietzche is a Nazi dumbass. Q.E.D.
Nietzsche had nothing to do with Naziism, any more than Shakespeare or
Nostradamus, who they also twisted around to present as somehow being
pro-Nazi.
Nietzsche spoke frequently in short catchy aphorisms. This is a lot
of why he is appealing to the shallow and the young; for much the
same reason that the shallow and the young are more likely to listen
to pop music than classical music.
But that was not all he did, any more than "Für Elise" was all that
Beethoven ever did. Or any more than the first four notes of the
first movement of Beethoven's fifth symphony were all he ever did.
Everybody in this thread who seems to think Nietzsche was an idiot
also seem to be the ones saying they couldn't make heads or tails of
what he was talking about.
Which isn't so surprising. Nietzsche is hard to follow. He was a
philosopher and philosophers try to find the truth. Nietzsche, rather
than deciding in advance he knew where the truth was and then laying
out the path that leads to truth on paper, set out walking in search
of the truth with no particular assumption about where it would be,
beyond his own reasoning and critical faculties.
I think you can only make sense of him by looking at his journey from
some distance. If you pick up "some Nietzsche" at the bookstore and
try to leaf through it, you will just find him wandering ... which is
in fact what he is doing.
Overall though, personally I find what he did impressive.
First he attacked philosophy itself. He pointed out that philosophers
in general decide in advance what they want the truth to be, and then
work to construct a philosophy which will wind up deciding that what
they wanted the truth to be is what the truth is. HIs own approach of
"wandering" was a reaction to that, it was born out of having the
courage and honesty to seek the truth in fact rather than as a
validation of his own prejudices.
Then he sought to tear down and rebuild all of the fundamental
elements of what we think of as philosophy or truth. Morality,
religion, truth, social structure.
Nietzsche seems to be attacked most often for rejecting the idea that
there is a fundamental Good and Evil in people, for saying the strong
have a right to kill the weak, for instance. I don't think Nietzsche
ever said the strong have the -right- to kill the weak, I think that
is missing his point. It's just reality. The strong -do- kill the
weak.
To people of his time, this idea was shocking, although it would seem
obvious to us now. People in Nietzsche's time really did believe that
there was some inherent dynamic in the structure of the universe that
supported some particular form of morality; and, that this morality
just happened to be the Judeo-Christian moral structure, which (just
by coincidence!) happened to be the moral structure everybody was
raised in.
Nietzsche presented history as a struggle between the strong and
creative and the weak and passive. Again, this leaves people charging
him with being a Nazi, but that kind of misses the point. Nietzsche
was really just pointing out, "this is the way things are". And it's
still very hard for people to accept that.
Into this came Christianity, which he saw as the social laws of the
slave class, the weak and passive. A set of laws predicated to force
people to accept the virtues of being weak and passive and conformist.
And this is where he comes to be accused of anti-semitism. He
frequently referred to Christianity and Christian ethics as "Israel"
or "The Jews". Even a casual reading of Nietzsche makes clear that it
had nothing to do with anti-semitism, but he attracted anti-semites to
him, like the composer Wagner. When he realized this was happening he
spoke out violently against anti-semitism, but to some degree it's his
own fault that people misunderstood that.
He then sought to construct, from the ashes of the accepted moral
world-view which he had just destroyed, a philosophy of the future.
If the Christian world-view is full of crap, what now?
In doing this, he was, in many ways, very prophetic. The world today
is blowing in the wind, trying to come up with a workable social/moral
structure in the absence of Christianity. The atavistic reversion of
people to Christianity happening today is a measure of our failure to
come up with something better.
Nietzsche approached this as a historian. Rather than the Christian
structure of Good versus Evil, he cast history in the light of the
Appolonian versus the Dionysian; the spirit of light and structure
versus the spirit of dark and cthonic. These were not absolutes or
one better than the other, but opposing "spirits", like the "spirit"
of music.
This too I think is profound ... although, it is late and I am only
sketching all of this crudely.
Morality as such, historically, was the charity of the strong towards
the weak. This, again, is not necessarily him saying "this is the way
I think things should be", but "this is the way things are".
Christianity teaches that moral behavior should be born out of an
inner compulsion and out of fear (listen to William S Burroughs
reading the "Sermon on the Mount", he really gets this across well).
Nietzsche pointed out that these were the instincts of slaves towards
their masters. The reality is, morality is the charity of the strong
towards the weak. It is born out of -surplus-. We are magnanimous
when our stomachs are full.
Nietzsche's alternative, in brief, was that our "morality" ... not so
much our "morality" but our philosophy of life ... should be born out
of our sense of play, out of our sense of humor, a spirit like the
spirit of music.
Well again I am just sketching this out crudely.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
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"Evil is a dunghill, Mr. Angel. Everybody climbs up on theirs to
speak out against somebody else's"
- Satan
Correspondent:: kdetal@aol.com (Who What Huh)
Date: 11 Nov 2004 15:21:52 GMT
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>Nietzsche pointed out that these were the instincts of slaves towards
>their masters. The reality is, morality is the charity of the strong
>towards the weak. It is born out of -surplus-. We are magnanimous
>when our stomachs are full.
I liked and agreed with most of the post.
The above though, I think applies to 98% of unthinking human monkeys but not
all.
--
"There are more spells than your commonplace magicians ever dreamed of."
-Joseph Conrad, from Victory
Correspondent:: Caine
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 04:44:06 -0700
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nikolai kingsley wrote:
>
>>> As Nietzsche would say the three great stimulants of this exhausted
>>> (reclined) culture are the brutal(war), the artificial (flesh
>>> prosthetics) and
>>> the innocent (idiotic).
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, Nietzsche is God.
>
>
>
> i wish people would stop taking Neecher seriously. he was good for a
> laugh, much in the same way Paminifarm is. but Nhgh forbid anyone should
> base their life on what passes for thoughts in his case.
> oo, oo! i just got an SMS from someone calling themself Riannon. wrong
> number, obviously, so i replied "Táim as mo mheabhair!"
>
That's great that you feel this way. I read about two paragraphs into a
Nietzsche book, and dismissed him as an overly loving sap. Thanks for
telling me I was write to put him aside and chuckle pleasedly that I had
just made new time for me in the time I was to read the book.
Caine
Now please go tell them in #philosophy this too so that they can begin
to agree and understand with me.
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 10 Nov 2004 19:30:57 -0800
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When you gaze into the abyss, Mrs. Barstow pokes you in the eye and
screams at you to plug up that hole in her shower stall or she'll KICK
YOU INNA NUTS.
--
HellPope Huey
Arguing with an idiot
is like building an origami dildo;
its often fun to do, but it ain't goin' nowhere.
Society has traditionally always tried
to find scapegoats for its problems.
Well, here I am.
- Marilyn Manson
"I wanted to show that I have other colors
people might not be expecting to see."
- George Carlin