the BrainGate scandal
Posted by:: silly@well.com (Thomas Armagost)
Date: 22 Mar 2005 17:01:08 -0800
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BrainGate Neural Interface System.
"The system requires a surgeon to drill a hole in the patient's head
and implant a chip on the surface of the brain area responsible for
moving arms and hands."
Look, ma! No hands! No keyboard! My brain is dictating this
usenet post directly into my eMachine.
Quadriplegic vets can now contribute to the war effort by sending
messages to the internet explaining how the USA is bringing
democracy to the Mideast. ;-)
The UPI Newsfactor article quotes Cyberkinetics Neurotechnology
Systems CEO Tim Surgenor as saying "We can take someone's thought
and put it on a screen."
Not exactly. Wouldn't you need to implant a chip in the brain area
responsible for speech and language to actually read someone's
mind?
--
weird new cartoon thing soon
"I can read your mind" - the Alan Parsons Project
Posted by:: "Olsnen"
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:20:17 -0500
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[snip]>
> The UPI Newsfactor article quotes Cyberkinetics Neurotechnology
> Systems CEO Tim Surgenor as saying "We can take someone's thought
> and put it on a screen."
>
> Not exactly. Wouldn't you need to implant a chip in the brain area
> responsible for speech and language to actually read someone's
> mind?
>
Maybe,
Maybe sort of like this:
http://tinyurl.com/52c3t
--
~Olsnen~
Infinity is patient
Posted by:: "Phil Scott"
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:16:47 GMT
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"Olsnen" wrote in message
news:ek40e.46749$c72.40572@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
>
> [snip]>
> > The UPI Newsfactor article quotes Cyberkinetics
Neurotechnology
> > Systems CEO Tim Surgenor as saying "We can take someone's
thought
> > and put it on a screen."
> >
> > Not exactly. Wouldn't you need to implant a chip in the
brain area
> > responsible for speech and language to actually read
someone's
> > mind?
His tactic could use simple brain wave monitoring devices
already long in use and well known.
Doing it from a distance is a lot trickier, and in an
uncontrolled setting with others around almost impossible...
but there is a way of course to do anything.
Thats probably next.. give it 20- 50 years though.
There are massive downsides with the application of such
technology... ultimate govt control etc. The upside would
be in shaping a persons brain to be vastly more efficient, by
means of directing its synaptice connection patterns to reduce
confusion and non sequiter thinking.
This latter is already possible...but so far the technology is
not realized or understood at anything better than creating
buy reactions in the public...
it is extensively used of course in advertising and by
government overtly today...for instance in paying TV show
producers cash incentives to slide in pro government
propaganda, or anti drug propaganda etc..both benign and not
benign special interests. Thats been going on for decades as
is relatively common knowledge, it is not a hidden program at
all.
Control of the public conception etc is the goal... the same
basic approach could be used to reshape human brains in fairly
short order to be much more rationally effective or even more
prescient.
Phil Scott
> >
> Maybe,
> Maybe sort of like this:
> http://tinyurl.com/52c3t
> --
> ~Olsnen~
>
> Infinity is patient
>
>
Posted by:: "Phil Scott"
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:05:09 GMT
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"Thomas Armagost" wrote in message
news:c873971e.0503221649.19b4943c@posting.google.com...
> BrainGate Neural Interface System.
>
>
>
> "The system requires a surgeon to drill a hole in the
patient's head
> and implant a chip on the surface of the brain area
responsible for
> moving arms and hands."
>
> Look, ma! No hands! No keyboard! My brain is dictating
this
> usenet post directly into my eMachine.
>
> Quadriplegic vets can now contribute to the war effort by
sending
> messages to the internet explaining how the USA is bringing
> democracy to the Mideast. ;-)
>
> The UPI Newsfactor article quotes Cyberkinetics
Neurotechnology
> Systems CEO Tim Surgenor as saying "We can take someone's
thought
> and put it on a screen."
>
> Not exactly. Wouldn't you need to implant a chip in the
brain area
> responsible for speech and language to actually read
someone's
> mind?
Surgenor is lying. What he can do is put a amplied brain wave
spike, a result of some thought, or the other on the
screen.... the actual thought will not appear. But they
could say show a hungry man a picture of a steak and get a
spike...or other change in shape of the ambient brainwave,
then show the man a picture of a car..etc...and notice the
differences...and from that derive what range of
considerations he might be having... A long way from 'reading
minds'.... but still with extensive research and development a
combination of stimuli and computer reads the person brain
wave reaction, his attitude etc on a range of issues can
surely be discovered...we can do similar now with lie
detectors.
When and if this is exploited to human detriment... people
will learn ways to 'have hunger thoughts' when they see rocks
etc... defeating the approach... and creating a progressively
more diabolical mankind.
a way had been worked to classify people in a crowd according
to any range of predetermined mental sets, and intentions etc,
separate the reads one from the other, from a great distance
with no physical contact and by undetectable means. There
have been a lot of people working this for a long time.
None of this bodes well.
Phil Scott
>
> --
> weird new cartoon thing soon
> "I can read your mind" - the Alan Parsons Project
Posted by:: Zapanaz
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:45:58 -0800
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:05:09 GMT, "Phil Scott"
wrote:
>When and if this is exploited to human detriment... people
>will learn ways to 'have hunger thoughts' when they see rocks
>etc... defeating the approach... and creating a progressively
>more diabolical mankind.
well I kinda get that but I'm not sure I see how somebody who gets
hungry when he sees a rock is "diabolical"
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
btw, how does anyone go into a book shop and ask for the "Idiots guide
to sex" without their head exploding from embarrassment? - even my cat
figured that one out, and it's still working on the coming in out of
the rain thing.
Posted by:: Ray Haddad
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:57:03 +0800
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:45:58 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
and Zapanaz instead replied:
>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:05:09 GMT, "Phil Scott"
> wrote:
>
>>When and if this is exploited to human detriment... people
>>will learn ways to 'have hunger thoughts' when they see rocks
>>etc... defeating the approach... and creating a progressively
>>more diabolical mankind.
>
>well I kinda get that but I'm not sure I see how somebody who gets
>hungry when he sees a rock is "diabolical"
Because old Phil sees a conspiracy behind every rock.
--
Ray
Posted by:: Zapanaz
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:35:50 -0800
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:57:03 +0800, Ray Haddad
wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:45:58 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
>and Zapanaz instead replied:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:05:09 GMT, "Phil Scott"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>When and if this is exploited to human detriment... people
>>>will learn ways to 'have hunger thoughts' when they see rocks
>>>etc... defeating the approach... and creating a progressively
>>>more diabolical mankind.
>>
>>well I kinda get that but I'm not sure I see how somebody who gets
>>hungry when he sees a rock is "diabolical"
>
>Because old Phil sees a conspiracy behind every rock.
THE ROCKS ARE COMING TO GET US! HEAD FOR THE HILLS!
er no, don't head for the hills. Head AWAY from the hills! RUN!
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
>>The firm truth is that I have defied belief
>>and orders from what I thought was the
>>government, aliens and system operators of
>>Earth my whole entire life and I have never
>>been killed - just bothered to a high degree
>>in my mind.
- Somebody walking the same streets you do, now.