The beginning of the Real New Age
Posted by:: "nu-monet v7.0"
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:24:58 -0700
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http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage2251.html
World's First Fuel Cell Motorcycle Unveiled
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Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:22:48 -0800
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In article <423E3E8A.7CEF@succeeds.com>, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:
> http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage2251.html
>
> World's First Fuel Cell Motorcycle Unveiled
Interesting.
So's this:
8 June 2004
INTELLIGENT ENERGY HOLDINGS PLC
Decision not to proceed with initial public offering
The Board of Intelligent Energy Holdings Plc, the energy solutions
group focused on commercialising hydrogen generation, fuel storage and
fuel cell power generation technologies, today announces that it will
not proceed with its proposed admission to the Alternative Investment
Market of the London Stock Exchange.
Dr Harry Bradbury, Chief Executive Officer of Intelligent Energy, said:
³We have been strongly encouraged by the discussions we have had during
the IPO process. However, we have concluded that our shareholder
interests would not be best served by proceeding with flotation in
current market conditions. The Board remain confident of its ability to
continue growing a successful business across a broad spectrum
of applications for its world class fuel cell and associated
technologies. We have the financial resources in place to sustain our
existing business. To the extent that further funds may be required to
accelerate development, these will be raised through private
placement. We will reconsider a flotation, either in London or New
York, in due course.²
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I notice they've got
a former Shell Transport chairman at the helm. Does that mean Shell
is a major investor? Some questions: how tight are the patents, how
easily can this be copied, how quickly can it be brought to market, how
close is the competition?
The market is obviously huge. India and China alone will require
millions of these things. If they can capture just a fraction of that,
IEH (or whoever buys them) will clean up.
You can be sure potential IPO shares are already spoken for, but it
might be a buy 3-6 months later, after the frenzy dies down. My
guess is fuel cells (and related energy conservation stocks) are going
to be the dot-coms of the 21st Century. Most of them will lose money,
but that won't stop Wall St. from jacking them, and it won't keep
desperate gamblers from that last throw of the dice.
Good call!
pb
Posted by:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:17:23 -0500
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"polar bear" wrote
> The market is obviously huge. India and China alone will require
> millions of these things.
HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of millions, my dear bear. Their combined population
is what, two and a quarter billion?
> If they can capture just a fraction of that,
> IEH (or whoever buys them) will clean up.
What an Understatement. The subject of the post could be frighteningly
accurate.
Posted by:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:17:41 -0500
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In article <3fCdnbl-feRlMaPfRVn-qA@adelphia.com>, Revi Shankar
wrote:
> "polar bear" wrote
>
>
> > The market is obviously huge. India and China alone will require
> > millions of these things.
>
> HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of millions, my dear bear. Their combined population
> is what, two and a quarter billion?
>
> > If they can capture just a fraction of that,
> > IEH (or whoever buys them) will clean up.
>
> What an Understatement. The subject of the post could be frighteningly
> accurate.
>
I can't find a price tag on this thing though. I guess if I have to ask
I can't afford it.
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Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:44:15 -0800
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In article <210320051117414824%stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>, "Rev. Ivan
Stang" wrote:
> In article <3fCdnbl-feRlMaPfRVn-qA@adelphia.com>, Revi Shankar
> wrote:
>
> > "polar bear" wrote
> >
> >
> > > The market is obviously huge. India and China alone will require
> > > millions of these things.
> >
> > HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of millions, my dear bear. Their combined population
> > is what, two and a quarter billion?
> >
> > > If they can capture just a fraction of that,
> > > IEH (or whoever buys them) will clean up.
> >
> > What an Understatement. The subject of the post could be frighteningly
> > accurate.
> >
>
> I can't find a price tag on this thing though. I guess if I have to ask
> I can't afford it.
It will be like anything new: The got-to-have-its will finance initial
production for the first world, then someone will knock off a cheap
version and sell it in the third world. I expect part of the initial
affordability will involve a few explosions here and there. It is,
after all, hydrogen.
pb
Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:50:00 -0800
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In article <3fCdnbl-feRlMaPfRVn-qA@adelphia.com>, "Revi Shankar"
wrote:
> "polar bear" wrote
>
>
> > The market is obviously huge. India and China alone will require
> > millions of these things.
>
> HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of millions, my dear bear. Their combined population
> is what, two and a quarter billion?
Ease off the thottle there Ripley. They aren't cheeseburgers. 80% of
that population will never be able to afford one. They will continue
to walk, ride bicycles or take the bus. That leaves about 400M. Still
a big number, but half of them are kids or old folks. Of the remaining
200M how many will actually buy one? People will still buy cars and
cheap motorbikes, at least till oil hits $200bbl. Realistically,
you'll probaby sell a few million units a year until they figure out
how to make them themselves.
One of the limitations here is electricity. Imagine the load on the
electric grid if 100M people start charging up their fuel cells at 6PM?
They already have rolling blackouts in China. What sort of demand
this will create is anyone's guess, but they still have to burn coal to
make the power, unless they build new nuclear plants of course.
>
> > If they can capture just a fraction of that,
> > IEH (or whoever buys them) will clean up.
>
> What an Understatement. The subject of the post could be frighteningly
> accurate.
No doubt this is the future. I just know from past experience that it
won't be a straight line getting there.
1-make fuel cells
2-?
3-profit
pb
Posted by:: "Rev. Ivan Stang"
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:13:26 -0500
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In article <210320051350000035%bear@pole.com>, polar bear
wrote:
> In article <3fCdnbl-feRlMaPfRVn-qA@adelphia.com>, "Revi Shankar"
> wrote:
>
> > "polar bear" wrote
> >
> >
> > > The market is obviously huge. India and China alone will require
> > > millions of these things.
> >
> > HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of millions, my dear bear. Their combined population
> > is what, two and a quarter billion?
>
> Ease off the thottle there Ripley. They aren't cheeseburgers. 80% of
> that population will never be able to afford one. They will continue
> to walk, ride bicycles or take the bus. That leaves about 400M. Still
> a big number, but half of them are kids or old folks. Of the remaining
> 200M how many will actually buy one? People will still buy cars and
> cheap motorbikes, at least till oil hits $200bbl. Realistically,
> you'll probaby sell a few million units a year until they figure out
> how to make them themselves.
But then when the motorcycles learn how to make more of THEMSELVES,
themselves, that's when we can stop worrying about everything, right?
That'll be the REAL New Age, when we can hand all responsibility and
means of production over to smart machines. Having seen the Terminator
movies, the industrialists will certainly build in enough Rules of
Robotics fail-safes that the machines will be unable to plot against...
just as if they were all hand-trained by Isaac Asimov.
>
> One of the limitations here is electricity. Imagine the load on the
> electric grid if 100M people start charging up their fuel cells at 6PM?
> They already have rolling blackouts in China. What sort of demand
> this will create is anyone's guess, but they still have to burn coal to
> make the power, unless they build new nuclear plants of course.
> >
> > > If they can capture just a fraction of that,
> > > IEH (or whoever buys them) will clean up.
> >
> > What an Understatement. The subject of the post could be frighteningly
> > accurate.
>
> No doubt this is the future. I just know from past experience that it
> won't be a straight line getting there.
>
> 1-make fuel cells
> 2-?
> 3-profit
2 = eliminate organic life
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Posted by:: Eddie Vroom
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 04:58:40 GMT
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Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> But then when the motorcycles learn how to make more of THEMSELVES,
> themselves, that's when we can stop worrying about everything, right?
> That'll be the REAL New Age, when we can hand all responsibility and
> means of production over to smart machines. Having seen the Terminator
> movies, the industrialists will certainly build in enough Rules of
> Robotics fail-safes that the machines will be unable to plot against...
> just as if they were all hand-trained by Isaac Asimov.
Too late! My neighborhood is already crawling with little baby motorcycles.
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How's this for a punchline: I wasn't joking, motherfucker!
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Certified God by the holy authority of
the White Lotus Fortune Cookie Company
June 23, 2004
Posted by:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:55:22 -0500
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"polar bear" wrote
> In article <3fCdnbl-feRlMaPfRVn-qA@adelphia.com>, "Revi Shankar"
> wrote:
>
> > "polar bear" wrote
> >
> >
> > > The market is obviously huge. India and China alone will require
> > > millions of these things.
> >
> > HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of millions, my dear bear. Their combined
population
> > is what, two and a quarter billion?
>
> Ease off the thottle there Ripley. They aren't cheeseburgers.
Awww...
Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:14:42 -0800
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In article , "Revi Shankar"
wrote:
> "polar bear" wrote
>
> > In article <3fCdnbl-feRlMaPfRVn-qA@adelphia.com>, "Revi Shankar"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "polar bear" wrote
> > >
> > >
> > > > The market is obviously huge. India and China alone will require
> > > > millions of these things.
> > >
> > > HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of millions, my dear bear. Their combined
> population
> > > is what, two and a quarter billion?
> >
> > Ease off the thottle there Ripley. They aren't cheeseburgers.
>
> Awww...
I had to look that one up. Futurama, right? I don't watch it.
Mostly because I don't watch TV. Mostly.
pb
Posted by:: "Revi Shankar"
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:04:36 -0500
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> > Awww...
>
> I had to look that one up. Futurama, right? I don't watch it.
> Mostly because I don't watch TV. Mostly.
>
> pb
Yup. It's a running gag. He's completly impoverished, and goes for a while
without eating. So something like the above would have elicited that
response from the starving crustacean.
Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:35:42 -0800
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In article , "Revi Shankar"
wrote:
> > > Awww...
> >
> > I had to look that one up. Futurama, right? I don't watch it.
> > Mostly because I don't watch TV. Mostly.
> >
> > pb
>
>
> Yup. It's a running gag. He's completly impoverished, and goes for a while
> without eating. So something like the above would have elicited that
> response from the starving crustacean.
Damn! The things I miss by not watching TV. Actually, the Ripley line
comes from the second (?) Aliens film. The "mostly" thing is from the
first one.
pb
Posted by:: Zapanaz
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:44:55 -0800
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:24:58 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:
>http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage2251.html
>
>World's First Fuel Cell Motorcycle Unveiled
they should make one that runs on gasoline. I bet it would sell
better. Other than that though, OK.
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Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:48:31 -0800
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In article , Zapanaz
wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:24:58 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage2251.html
> >
> >World's First Fuel Cell Motorcycle Unveiled
>
> they should make one that runs on gasoline. I bet it would sell
> better. Other than that though, OK.
SOFC (solid oxide fuel cells) do exactly that. They extract hydrogen
from gasoline through a process called reformulation, which I won't go
into for brevity's sake. The basic idea is to use the existing
gasoline distribution network while hydrogen is phased in. SOFC's can
use either fuel, with a small modification.
The first practical application of SOFC's will be as power generators
for 42 volt automotive electrical systems. The basic idea is to make
everything electric - injectors, valves, water/fuel/oil pumps, brakes,
power steering, etc. and use the engine for driving the wheels only.
This will result in a lighter block with more power. I think BMW had
something like this in the works for 2005/6
pb