I don't think I've seen such a full-featured "all-in-one" yet sample
playback, sampling and FM & analog modeling synthesis, w an HD, CD-R...
but I could be wrong, since I stopped looking at hardware synths when I
got broke.
I didn't check the spex too close, but I seem to think it has FireWire
I/O (well, if it doesn't it SHOULD).
BTW, I been checking e-bay 'cause I may need to replace my old awful
knee-walking turkey ESI-32 sampler and decent SCSI'ed Akais like the
2000 & 3000 series going for under $100. Huh?
Posted by:: "just john" Date: 29 Mar 2005 12:34:46 -0800
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frater S.O.D.D.I. wrote:
> http://www.alesis.com/products/new_products/#Fusion
>
> I don't think I've seen such a full-featured "all-in-one" yet sample
> playback, sampling and FM & analog modeling synthesis, w an HD,
CD-R...
> but I could be wrong, since I stopped looking at hardware synths when
I
> got broke.
>
> I didn't check the spex too close, but I seem to think it has
FireWire
> I/O (well, if it doesn't it SHOULD).
>
> BTW, I been checking e-bay 'cause I may need to replace my old awful
> knee-walking turkey ESI-32 sampler and decent SCSI'ed Akais like the
> 2000 & 3000 series going for under $100. Huh?
Bastard!
I can't afford any new hardware for at least ... well, maybe never!
So I'll stick with my Korg ES-1 plus computer-based sample tweaking.
(Hey, if you're close enough to Poughkeepsie NY, I got an old Emax
keyboard sampler you might like. Lovely keyboard action, tho it takes
a minute to load a patch from diskette. Also, the arpeggiator has an
option I haven't seen since -- "Cruz control," in which it takes
however many notes you're playing and arpeggiates them over a fixed
duration. IE: You play three notes, it's a waltz. Play five notes,
it's 5/8 in the same time.)
It's big and heavy and crashes, but its sounds are good and it does
MIDI well. Last year, I tried to GIVE it away, with no takers.
--
* Radio Free Entropy: http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml *
Posted by:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 29 Mar 2005 12:41:46 -0800
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Yeah, I got a Casio FZ-1 in the closet... not as good as the Emax, no
arpeggiator (but a MIDI file player), but I got about 5 megs of Lance
Henriksen samples that I just can't bear to part with.
That Casio is heavy beast too.
Thanks for the offer, though!
"You know, at a moment like this I think of my father's last words,
which were 'Don't, son, that gun is LOADED!' "
Lance Henriksen, "Stone Cold"
Posted by:: "just john" Date: 29 Mar 2005 12:47:35 -0800
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In article <1112129255.524570.294490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"just john" wrote:
> I feel your pain.
>
You haven't felt pain till you've had to lift a Yamaha C50. Strictly
analog, this thing is so old I bet nobody here even knows what it is.
pb
Posted by:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 29 Mar 2005 16:13:10 -0800
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polar bear wrote:
> You haven't felt pain till you've had to lift a Yamaha C50. Strictly
> analog, this thing is so old I bet nobody here even knows what it is.
Boy, you're talking to someone who learned the basics on an EML 101
(http://www.synthmuseum.com/eml/eml10101.html) and pushed it on further
on the Buchla 100 (http://www.synthmuseum.com/buchla/buc10001.html ...
no keyboard, touch-sensitive voltage plate, 16-step sequencer, spring
reverb) triggering a Moog VCO/VCA/VCF bank
(http://www.synthmuseum.com/moog/moomod02.html).
I still kick myself for not buying up the Buchla modules when the
studio sold 'em off at $30 apiece so they could buy a Fairlight.
The CS-50 (proper designation) was a real hefty little booger, but I
GUARANTEE you that it was nothing compared to that Moog array. The
Yamaha is old-ish, but not as old as Buchla and Moog's modular stuff.
Besides, piano-style keyboards, polyphony and presets are for pussies.
Must read: "Analog Days: The Invention and Impact of the Moog
Synthesizer" by Trevor Pinch and Frank Trocco, Harvard Univ. Press.
--------
In article <1112141590.074850.75350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"frater S.O.D.D.I." wrote:
> Besides, piano-style keyboards, polyphony and presets are for pussies.
Then call me HellPope Pussy now.
Well, the main thrill of the Alesis Fusion is that it contains a 40 gb
hard disk as a standard and you can allocate the memory where you
please. You're not tied to a fixed amount of X & Y; that's for you to
decide. I'm sure its sounds tech-licious, of course. For $2600 and up,
it had friggin' well BETTER.
The bottom line is, once you hav der wundertoyen set up and der
blinkenlighten are blinken, what are you going to DO with it? I know, I
know: stroke yourself and bang your head into the keyboard as you watch
goat porn on a laptop between your feet on the floor. Try not to spooge
on the keyboard... either one.
If you're not going to actually develop a keyboard technique, do it in
your computer with a little controller and save some money. It'll be
more fun and if you get good at it, its no less legit than wailing on a
Hammond.
BTW, modular synths are for anal-retentive trust fund babies and
professionals. No one else but a dope dealer has the time to experiment
with those spaghetti-corded tanks, so the law of diminishing returns
makes the odds of getting a useful sound rather remote. However, if
you're fried on hash and giggling, its a beautiful thing. Also, old Moog
Modulars were DC, so you could actually get electrocuted if you crossed
it just so. Nyeh.
--
HellPope Pussy ~ www.subgenius.com
"POPE PUSSY IN 2020,
'cause if its gonna get UGLY,
it might as well be FUNNY!"
There are men to whom the satisfaction
of throwing down a triumphant fallacy
is as great as that which attends
the discovery of a new truth.
- T. H. Huxley
"Thanks for ruining my mileage, Anvil Butt."
- "The Drew Carey Show"
Posted by:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 30 Mar 2005 22:40:31 -0800
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HellPope Huey wrote:
"Well, the main thrill of the Alesis Fusion is that it contains a 40 gb
hard disk as a standard and you can allocate the memory where you
please. You're not tied to a fixed amount of X & Y; that's for you to
decide. I'm sure its sounds tech-licious, of course. For $2600 and up,
it had friggin' well BETTER.
And as far as I can tell you can multi mode different synth types. You
got Akai format sampled kits you like... ch 10. Analog modeled bass on
ch 2, sample playback Rhodes on 2, sample loops on 3, USW. A rack in
one board.
"If you're not going to actually develop a keyboard technique, do it in
your computer with a little controller and save some money. It'll be
more fun and if you get good at it, its no less legit than wailing on a
Hammond. "
Yeah, that's how I would be working if I WASN'T SUFFERING FROM A 2-YEAR
FUCKING CREATIVE SAHARA DOUCHEBAG HEADBURN DRY SPELL THAT WILL NOT END.
Why the FUCK else would I be posting to alt.slack otherwise? It's
fucking breaking my heart (not alt.slack, but the other). I blame the
drugz.
" BTW, modular synths are for anal-retentive trust fund babies and
professionals. No one else but a dope dealer has the time to experiment
with those spaghetti-corded tanks, so the law of diminishing returns
makes the odds of getting a useful sound rather remote."
Umm... no, you're incredibly wrong. I figured that had I bought fewer
piece of shit E-mu rackmount modules over the past decade that I could
have gotten a more than adequate PAIA modular system built for me,w/a
MIDI to CV gate so that it could integrate into my setup easily. Around
$1800-2100. They also expand, unlike most "modern" synths.
A lot of electric guitarists run mazes of stomp boxes that rival a
modular in complexity.
Analog synths sound amazing. Modular analog synths even more so.
Programming is an art, sure, but I'm a good programmer. Their main
strength is that the modulation routings are vastly flexible.
The basic patch (CV/trigger-->VCO-->VCF->VCA->mix with an ADSR
modulating the VCA/VCF... 6 or seven cables that you can just set up
and leave that way... expand however you like. There's your "usable
sound" right there. It's a lot easier than programming a DX-7.
Inventory your library of usable sounds. What proportion of them are
slavish emulations of analog synths? (You get a gimme on the horrid
Rhodes/Hammond/Farfisa emulations.)
You can process external signals with an analog modular. A lot of the
NIN sound is Reznor running sound through an Arp 2600.
When the MIDI revolution and digital synths took over the market, a lot
of musical/technical babies got thrown out with the bathwater... and we
got slaved to MIDI "note on" which is peepee kaka (in techical terms).
And a synthesizer is NOT a keyboard. You can USE your piano
style-keyboard on them but it isn't necessary. It's a matter of debate
whether its even desirable.
"Also, old Moog modulars were DC, so you could actually get
electrocuted if you crossed it just so. Nyeh."
A real problem if you lose bladder control at inopportune times.
Ah, hell, I'm stuck with what gear I got. I got an ancient old 500mhz
IBM that crashes half the time I try to run Reaktor inside of Cubase,
old fuckin software, old synths and samplers... but guess what, it all
works. It's my BRAIN that doesn't.
If that fucking Dobbs had been doing his job RIGHT for a fucking
change, me and Pickles would be rollin' in the dough and I'd have it
ALL! ALL.
Posted by:: "Giles" Date: 31 Mar 2005 01:15:59 -0800
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frater S.O.D.D.I. wrote:
> Umm... no, you're incredibly wrong. I figured that had I bought fewer
> piece of shit E-mu rackmount modules over the past decade that I
could
> have gotten a more than adequate PAIA modular system built for me,w/a
> MIDI to CV gate so that it could integrate into my setup easily.
Around
> $1800-2100. They also expand, unlike most "modern" synths.
Wow! The PAIA modular system. Man, does that take me back. Those were
all wire-it-yourself kits as I recall. Did you ever try a SERGE? I
still have my Oberheim Xpander. It has MIDI and 6 CV/Gate inputs as
well.
--------
In article <1112260559.266859.86870@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Giles" wrote:
>>>I still have my Oberheim Xpander. It has MIDI and 6 CV/Gate inputs as
> well.
Ooo, that's hot stuff. On the current market, you could trade that for
a mid-sized, 1995 used car and a year's supply of Rice-A-Roni. Of
course, by the 4th month, you'd absolutely hate Rice-A-Roni.
--
HellPope Huey
All that modern science flapping around,
but still no bacon-flavored cereal. Hmph!
"The essence of Christianity is told us
in the Garden of Eden history.
The fruit that was forbidden
was on the Tree of Knowledge.
The subtext is, All the suffering you have
is because you wanted to find out what was going on.
You could be in the Garden of Eden
if you had just kept your fucking mouth shut
and hadn't asked any questions."
- Frank Zappa
"How can I study this planet
if the entire population is staring
at my freakishly deformed head?"
- "Invader Zim"
Posted by:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 31 Mar 2005 14:46:19 -0800
--------
Giles wrote:
> Wow! The PAIA modular system. Man, does that take me back. Those were
> all wire-it-yourself kits as I recall.
PAIA will sell you pre-built modules... you still need to wire them
into their power source yourself.
> Did you ever try a SERGE?
No... but I heard that the Serge modules were the nth degree, above
even the Buchla in terms of routing flexibility. (Still hands down Moog
for oscillators and filters).
Sound Transform Systems still develops and builds advanced Serge
modulars, but I have been led to understand that he will NOT build a
synth for you unless he likes what you're doing musically. Like Don
Buchla.
Tried a Putney once.
>I still have my Oberheim Xpander. It has MIDI and 6 CV/Gate inputs as
> well.
That's a GOOD synth. Keep it working.
Posted by:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 31 Mar 2005 14:46:53 -0800
--------
Giles wrote:
> Wow! The PAIA modular system. Man, does that take me back. Those were
> all wire-it-yourself kits as I recall.
PAIA will sell you pre-built modules... you still need to wire them
into their power source yourself.
> Did you ever try a SERGE?
No... but I heard that the Serge modules were the nth degree, above
even the Buchla in terms of routing flexibility. (Still hands down Moog
for oscillators and filters).
Sound Transform Systems still develops and builds advanced Serge
modulars, but I have been led to understand that he will NOT build a
synth for you unless he likes what you're doing musically. Like Don
Buchla.
Tried a Putney once.
>I still have my Oberheim Xpander. It has MIDI and 6 CV/Gate inputs as
> well.
That's a GOOD synth. Keep it working.
Posted by:: "frater S.O.D.D.I." Date: 31 Mar 2005 15:01:02 -0800
--------
Giles wrote:
> Wow! The PAIA modular system. Man, does that take me back. Those were
> all wire-it-yourself kits as I recall.
PAIA will sell you pre-built modules... you still need to wire them
into their power source yourself.
> Did you ever try a SERGE?
No... but I heard that the Serge modules were the nth degree, above
even the Buchla in terms of routing flexibility. (Still hands down Moog
for oscillators and filters).
Sound Transform Systems still develops and builds advanced Serge
modulars, but I have been led to understand that he will NOT build a
synth for you unless he likes what you're doing musically. Like Don
Buchla.
Tried a Putney once.
>I still have my Oberheim Xpander. It has MIDI and 6 CV/Gate inputs as
> well.
--------
In article <1112251231.523583.22220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"frater S.O.D.D.I." wrote:
> " BTW, modular synths are for anal-retentive trust fund babies and
> professionals. No one else but a dope dealer has the time to experiment
> with those spaghetti-corded tanks, so the law of diminishing returns
> makes the odds of getting a useful sound rather remote."
>>>>> Umm... no, you're incredibly wrong. I figured that had I bought
fewer piece of shit E-mu rackmount modules over the past decade that I
could have gotten a more than adequate PAIA modular system built for
me,w/a MIDI to CV gate so that it could integrate into my setup easily.
Around $1800-2100. They also expand, unlike most "modern" synths.
Heh, yeah, I know the old debate, apples & oranges. Hey, if you have
the chops and disposition for programming those, go for it. However, it
IS a different mindset and has its effect on your compositional
direction. Its a special child who can tweedle one of those AND play
more traditonally.
I had a pal who built a rather large PAIA modular and either he was
shitty at soldering or it was a POS, because he was in its guts so
often, if it had been a car, it woulda been a Russian Corvair.
> Inventory your library of usable sounds. What proportion of them are
> slavish emulations of analog synths? (You get a gimme on the horrid
> Rhodes/Hammond/Farfisa emulations.)
Very few, actually, aside from a set that IS basically vintage sounds.
I find most of them too dated, to my ear, having grown up (so to speak,
fuck you, all o' youse!) on TD, Erasure, thin new wave squeaks and
bloops and ELP, so I mostly avoid 'em. Much better hybrids trump those
hands down these days.
> And a synthesizer is NOT a keyboard. You can USE your piano
> style-keyboard on them but it isn't necessary. It's a matter of debate
> whether its even desirable.
It is to me, because piano and a little Hammond came before synths.
Different approach vector. I play with my hands as much as my ears.
Gimme at least 5 octaves or KILL ME.
> "Also, old Moog modulars were DC, so you could actually get
> electrocuted if you crossed it just so. Nyeh."
>>>>>> A real problem if you lose bladder control at inopportune times.
That reminds me of an old Funzone song, "Big Amp In The Sky:"
I touched my 'lectric guitar to the mic stand in the rain
and Lord, I felt Your power, like I never will again
> Ah, hell, I'm stuck with what gear I got. I got an ancient old 500mhz
> IBM that crashes half the time I try to run Reaktor inside of Cubase,
> old fuckin software, old synths and samplers... but guess what, it all
> works. It's my BRAIN that doesn't.
IT TAKES A BRAVE MAN TO ADMIT HE IS A JUNIOR FUCKHEAD AT TIMES. WELCOME
TO THE CLUB!!! Once you have paid your dues, you get an Eisenhower
bomber jacket, upon the back of which is emblazoned "I'M NOT A FUCKHEAD
AT THE MOMENT; PLEASE STAND BY."
> If that fucking Dobbs had been doing his job RIGHT for a fucking
> change, me and Pickles would be rollin' in the dough and I'd have it
> ALL! ALL.
No, that's incorrect. Dobbs is a SALESMAN. If YOU have it All, where's
HIS percentage?
--
HellPope Huey
All that modern science flapping around,
but still no bacon-flavored cereal. Hmph!
"The essence of Christianity is told us
in the Garden of Eden history.
The fruit that was forbidden
was on the Tree of Knowledge.
The subtext is, All the suffering you have
is because you wanted to find out what was going on.
You could be in the Garden of Eden
if you had just kept your fucking mouth shut
and hadn't asked any questions."
- Frank Zappa
"How can I study this planet
if the entire population is staring
at my freakishly deformed head?"
- "Invader Zim"
--------
In article <1112141590.074850.75350@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"frater S.O.D.D.I." wrote:
> polar bear wrote:
>
> > You haven't felt pain till you've had to lift a Yamaha C50. Strictly
> > analog, this thing is so old I bet nobody here even knows what it is.
>
>
> Boy, you're talking to someone who learned the basics on an EML 101
> (http://www.synthmuseum.com/eml/eml10101.html) and pushed it on further
> on the Buchla 100 (http://www.synthmuseum.com/buchla/buc10001.html ...
> no keyboard, touch-sensitive voltage plate, 16-step sequencer, spring
> reverb) triggering a Moog VCO/VCA/VCF bank
> (http://www.synthmuseum.com/moog/moomod02.html).
>
> I still kick myself for not buying up the Buchla modules when the
> studio sold 'em off at $30 apiece so they could buy a Fairlight.
>
> The CS-50 (proper designation) was a real hefty little booger, but I
> GUARANTEE you that it was nothing compared to that Moog array. The
> Yamaha is old-ish, but not as old as Buchla and Moog's modular stuff.
>
> Besides, piano-style keyboards, polyphony and presets are for pussies.
>
> Must read: "Analog Days: The Invention and Impact of the Moog
> Synthesizer" by Trevor Pinch and Frank Trocco, Harvard Univ. Press.
I keep forgetting everyone here is way older than me...wahahah.
I still have the Yamaha BTW. 24 years and all I've ever had to do is
change the diodes in the power supply.
--------
In article <300320050035371006%bear@pole.com>,
polar bear wrote:
> I keep forgetting everyone here is way older than me...wahahah.
Your day will come, ya fuck. You'll look line iDRMRSR and smell like
our scabby trolls.
> I still have the Yamaha BTW. 24 years and all I've ever had to do is
> change the diodes in the power supply.
It really helps if you have not had some drunk spill liquid into the
thing while its turned on. I saw this happen and the owner beat the shit
out of the drunk after turning off the sparking synth. It made a really
Bad Bad Sound in the PA when it happened, too. A festive halftime show.
--
HellPope Huey
379 pounds of Samoan dynamite
"You can't kill them
just because they're annoying."
"You never know until you try!"
- " Dilbert"
"The biggest difference
between the psychiatrist and the patient
is that the psychiatrist
has learned how to live with it."
- (David Gerrold) Solomon Short
Posted by:: "just john" Date: 30 Mar 2005 04:55:07 -0800
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polar bear wrote:
> You haven't felt pain till you've had to lift a Yamaha C50. Strictly
> analog, this thing is so old I bet nobody here even knows what it is.
>
I was also the proud owner of a 2-manual, 1-pedalboard Farfisa organ.
Top that!
--------
In article <1112187307.647254.214780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"just john" wrote:
> polar bear wrote:
>
> > You haven't felt pain till you've had to lift a Yamaha C50. Strictly
> > analog, this thing is so old I bet nobody here even knows what it is.
> >
>
> I was also the proud owner of a 2-manual, 1-pedalboard Farfisa organ.
> Top that!
Does a Lowrie beat a Farfisa? That thing had pedals plus a full
rythmn and chord section. Aunt Edna, eat your heart out! I abandoned
that particular ship anchor at a friends' house. (and he thought he
was just borrowing it....wahahahah!)
pb
Posted by:: "just john" Date: 30 Mar 2005 10:38:25 -0800
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As I recall, Lowries were light, compared to this suitcased monster.
--------
frater S.O.D.D.I. did pass the time by typing:
> http://www.alesis.com/products/new_products/#Fusion
>
> I don't think I've seen such a full-featured "all-in-one" yet sample
> playback, sampling and FM & analog modeling synthesis, w an HD, CD-R...
> but I could be wrong, since I stopped looking at hardware synths when I
> got broke.
Posted by:: "just john" Date: 30 Mar 2005 04:56:31 -0800
--------
My Handsonic (Roland HPD-15) has a similar feature. I didn't know this
when I bought it, so when I first accidentally triggered sounds by
proximity, it was a bit of a surprise.
--------
In article <1112187391.210155.149130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"just john" wrote:
> My Handsonic (Roland HPD-15) has a similar feature. I didn't know this
> when I bought it, so when I first accidentally triggered sounds by
> proximity, it was a bit of a surprise.
Where do you live? I want to come and kill you and take your Handsonic.
I'm better than you and deserve one more. Okay, maybe not. ButI DO
deserve one. I am a percussion dynamo.
--
HellPope Huey
379 pounds of Samoan dynamite
"You can't kill them
just because they're annoying."
"You never know until you try!"
- " Dilbert"
"The biggest difference
between the psychiatrist and the patient
is that the psychiatrist
has learned how to live with it."
- (David Gerrold) Solomon Short
Posted by:: "just john" Date: 30 Mar 2005 10:37:27 -0800
--------
HellPope Huey wrote:
> In article <1112187391.210155.149130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "just john" wrote:
>
> > My Handsonic (Roland HPD-15) has a similar feature. I didn't know
this
> > when I bought it, so when I first accidentally triggered sounds by
> > proximity, it was a bit of a surprise.
>
> Where do you live? I want to come and kill you and take your
Handsonic.
Shame on you! To sully something huge and primal like the taking of a
human life, with trivial theft.
I wish more people would get Handsonics, so then the price could come
down. It's a great gizmo, but currently way too pricey. Everybody
should have at least one.
Anyway, I'm in Poughkeepsie, New York. Bring your chainsaw and we can
go at it, once and for all! I don't think my landlord would even
notice. Usually, all I have stocked for drinking is cheap beer and 151
proof rum, so you might want to bring a bottle of your preferred stuff,
if you're picky.
--
* Radio Free Entropy: http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml *
Posted by:: "Rev. Richard Skull" Date: 30 Mar 2005 16:09:08 -0800
--------
<
a
human life, with trivial theft. >>
Yea, at least try to gain some momentum for your up-coming Presidentail
Bid!
Posted by:: König Prüße, GfbAEV Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:42:36 GMT
--------
HellPope Huey wrote:
>In article <1112187391.210155.149130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "just john" wrote:
>
>> My Handsonic (Roland HPD-15) has a similar feature. I didn't know this
>> when I bought it, so when I first accidentally triggered sounds by
>> proximity, it was a bit of a surprise.
>
> Where do you live? I want to come and kill you and take your Handsonic.
>I'm better than you and deserve one more. Okay, maybe not. ButI DO
>deserve one. I am a percussion dynamo.
How's your paradiddle?
Posted by:: "just john" Date: 30 Mar 2005 10:45:24 -0800
--------
I think he skipped straight to the full-on diddling.
--------
In article
,
König Prüße, GfbAEV wrote:
> HellPope Huey wrote:
> >In article <1112187391.210155.149130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > "just john" wrote:
> >
> >> My Handsonic (Roland HPD-15) has a similar feature. I didn't know this
> >> when I bought it, so when I first accidentally triggered sounds by
> >> proximity, it was a bit of a surprise.
> >
> > Where do you live? I want to come and kill you and take your Handsonic.
> >I'm better than you and deserve one more. Okay, maybe not. ButI DO
> >deserve one. I am a percussion dynamo.
>
> How's your paradiddle?
In my CODpiece where it BELONGS, Mr. NOSY.
--
HellPope Huey
379 pounds of Samoan dynamite
"You can't kill them
just because they're annoying."
"You never know until you try!"
- " Dilbert"
"The biggest difference
between the psychiatrist and the patient
is that the psychiatrist
has learned how to live with it."
- (David Gerrold) Solomon Short
John Cook wrote:
> frater S.O.D.D.I. wrote:
> > http://www.alesis.com/products/new_products/#Fusion
>
> 1/ Do you guys ever post midi files or whatever?
Radio Free Entropy: http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml
... has mp3s, MIDIs, old RealAudio, and a link to places to hear more
and to spend money on CDs shirts, mugs, etc.