Dr. Seuss Went to War

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:28:54 -0800

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Dr. Seuss Went to War:
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/

What an asshole.

pb

Posted by:: "afowles"
Date: 11 Mar 2005 00:37:21 -0800

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Why an asshole?

af

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:50:46 -0800

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In article <1110530241.461445.172540@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"afowles" wrote:

> Why an asshole?
>
> af

I shouldn't have to explain this stuff.

pb

Posted by:: brthrn@dangermedia.org
Date: 14 Mar 2005 10:43:48 -0800

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Is that what you say when work your little dickie up somebody's GODDAMN
ASSHOLE. YOU GREAT BIG FAT HAIRY BITCH-CUNT! HUH!?

WHO GIVES A GODDAMN FUCK OF JESUS' BALLS ABOUT WHAT DR. GODDAMN SEUSS
DID OR DID NOT SUPPORT! I GODDAMN BET IF HE SUPPORTED THE NAZIS (which
would be insane because he was a GODDAMN jew) YOU'D BE THE FIRST WHINEY
BITCH REMINDING US OF THAT FACT. JUST SO WE WOULDN'T NOTICE WHAT AN
ANGRY CLOSET *FAGGO* CUNT YOU ARE!

I've had the GODDAMN pleasure of reading a great many of his children's
books. And I never detected a single POLITICAL motivation in any of
them. In fact. The basic message (if I were to sit down and think of
any. Since I think he just meant to ENTERTAIN children in his own
little FANTASY universe as opposed to some SCUMBAG FAGGOT who wants to
FUCK KIDS UP THEIR BUNNY RABBIT BUM-BUMs all goddamn day long) of most
of books was NOT to be an ASSHOLE like you. You hairy FAT BITCH. How
often do you BEG to have someone SHIT a TURD down you GULLET. PRETTY
GODDAMN OFTEN I THINK. You *CUNT*.

HAHA! NOBODY'S FALLING FOR IT. NOW. COME HERE AND SMELL MY STINKY HINEY
HOLE.

YOU FAGGO-CUNT BITCH.

Yeh. Yeh. Let's talk about the econmy. You DUMB-ASS *CUNT* MONKEY.

SHUT THE FUCK UP! FAGGOT! SHUT UP! SET YOUR INFERIOR GENITALS ON FIRE
AND THEN KILL YOUR GODDAMN WORTHLESS SELF! NOW! NOW! NOW!

Posted by:: "Rev Chain Smerker"
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:15:48 GMT

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STOP IT

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:48:17 -0800

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In article , "Rev
Chain Smerker" wrote:

> STOP IT

Stop what?

pb

Posted by:: "Rev Chain Smerker"
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 21:11:31 GMT

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"polar bear" wrote in message
news:110320051248174355%bear@pole.com...
> In article , "Rev
> Chain Smerker" wrote:
>
>> STOP IT
>
> Stop what?
>
> pb

Sorry I was drunk and didnt know

Posted by:: HellPope Huey
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:49:38 GMT

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In article <110320051248174355%bear@pole.com>,
polar bear wrote:
> In article , "Rev
> Chain Smerker" wrote:
>
> > STOP IT
>
> Stop what?

Either the ongoing decay of Civilization or his hour-long
dribbling-forth of really severe farts. Guess which one is gonna happen
first.

--

HellPope Huey
Step outside the Box;
I mean, its a catbox, fer chrissakes

Possibly the only dismaying aspect of excellence
is that it makes living in a world of mediocrity
an ongoing prospect of a living Hell.
- Harlan Ellison

"Diaper fee for chimp brides."
- "The Simpsons"

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:30:07 -0700

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Boy, you just don't like to have a semi-serious conversation about anything,
do ya?

If it doesn't have penisvaginasshole in it, you don't want it posted!

Cake or death?

Angelicus Rex

Posted by:: Rev DJ Epoch
Date: 12 Mar 2005 13:04:32 GMT

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"angelicusrex" wrote in
news:39fk3uF60e3kkU1@individual.net:

>
>
> Boy, you just don't like to have a semi-serious conversation about
> anything, do ya?
>
> If it doesn't have penisvaginasshole in it, you don't want it posted!
>
> Cake or death?
>
> Angelicus Rex
>
>

I'll choose "Bakery Goods" for $500, Alex.

--
12th Epochalyptic Dungeon of The Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM

"Yeah yeah. It's all fun and games until someone ingests a quantum
singularity and implodes!!"
-- DJ Epoch

"People from other countries are so goddamned foreign. I hope they stay
where they come from."
-- HellPope Huey

Posted by:: König Prüße, GfbAEV
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:53:41 GMT

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Rev DJ Epoch wrote:

>"angelicusrex" wrote in
>news:39fk3uF60e3kkU1@individual.net:
>
>>
>>
>> Boy, you just don't like to have a semi-serious conversation about
>> anything, do ya?
>>
>> If it doesn't have penisvaginasshole in it, you don't want it posted!
>>
>> Cake or death?
>>
>> Angelicus Rex
>>
>>
>
>I'll choose "Bakery Goods" for $500, Alex.

You just better hope that they ain't no items 'bout pies,
or Nenslo'll be on you like a chicken on a june bug!

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:32:45 -0700

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>>I'll choose "Bakery Goods" for $500, Alex.
>
> You just better hope that they ain't no items 'bout pies,
> or Nenslo'll be on you like a chicken on a june bug!

It's not about pies, it's about cake. You have a choice, cake...or death?
Since we know how Nenslo does with pies, he will be choosing death...I hope
I hope I hope!!!

Angelicus Rex

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:28:08 -0700

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> What an asshole.
>
> pb

You don't seem to get it, do you? At the time EVERYONE in this country had
the exact same feelings and attitudes, except the American Nazi party and a
few disgruntled Klansmen. It's how we WON that war. And that particular one
needed to be won. Unless you prefer working in a salt mine until you die of
starvation.

Angelicus Rex

Posted by:: "Blackout"
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:18:28 -0700

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"angelicusrex" wrote

> Unless you prefer working in a salt mine until you die of starvation.

I prefer YOU working in a salt mine until you die of starvation, then making
a lampshade out of your skin just to donate it to goodwill.

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:36:12 -0700

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> I prefer YOU working in a salt mine until you die of starvation, then
> making a lampshade out of your skin just to donate it to goodwill.

Hahaha. You don't get it either, do you? Just for posting on this NG you are
already on the list! The neocons and the neofascists are going to do a
little more than just make the trains run on time. So it doesn't matter what
you prefer. You are a marked man. The day will come when you hear: "Where
are your papers, SubGenius? You have none? Then it's off to the camps with
you!"

Watch your fillings.

A.P.

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:53:28 -0800

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In article <39fk02F61dq89U1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
wrote:

> > What an asshole.
> >
> > pb
>
> You don't seem to get it, do you? At the time EVERYONE in this country had
> the exact same feelings and attitudes, except the American Nazi party and a
> few disgruntled Klansmen.

Hey, just like today! I guess some things never change.

>It's how we WON that war.

What, by making dehumanizing racist cartoons? I thought you were
against racial sterotypes?

And that particular one
> needed to be won. Unless you prefer working in a salt mine until you die of
> starvation.

I don't think the outcome was ever really in doubt. At least not to
the degree that you had to confiscate the rights and property of
American citizens just because they happened to be Japs.
>
pb

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:32:52 -0700

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> Hey, just like today! I guess some things never change.

So, are you a Nazi or a disgruntled klansman?

>>It's how we WON that war.
>
> What, by making dehumanizing racist cartoons?

Exactly. You cannot take history out of context. The threat of Japanese and
German world domination was so severe that the world and America especially,
had to rally everything against them. One of those things was humor. Seeing
the enemy as less than human, even as a monster or retarded, made it easier
for us to KILL them. And they had to be killed. There was no more room for
negotiations or treaties. It was all or nothing. Yes, some of these same
attitudes are being adopted today against "terrorists" but the terrorists
and "axis of evil" countries are NOT powers that need to be dealt with by
slaughter on some world wide scale. They are not nations bonded together
which are rolling over Europe or Asia with tanks and soldiers. So the two
wars have nothing to do with one another and the propaganda from the old war
(II) are being misappropriated and misused by our present administrations.
That is because they feel we NEED enemies and war to upgrade our economy and
the defense complex monies of which go in the administration's pockets.

I never said it was right to slur people on a racial basis. I am against it.
But in context of history, it happened, almost every American was involved
and you cannot retroactively change people's attitudes in the 1940's and
make them all into people in the 2000's. It just cannot be done. You have to
look at the old stuff and see it for what it is and let the truth of it hit
you. Were thay assholes? Most likely. So were Hitler and Tojo and Mussolini,
except they were WAY BIGGER ASSHOLES who threatened and mistreated and
killed everyone who stood in the way of their principles. Do Americans do
this? Of course. Have they done it in the past? Yes. But what you are not
seeing is that the horrors of what humans can REALLY be like when let loose
to slaughter and rape and pillage entire continents and build ovens to burn
bodies and commit rampant genocide, are horrors which we hold in check now
with humor and with stereotyping (many see Bush as a rednecked cowboy with
huge ears and a weasely face in Political Cartoons of our times. They see
Osama Bin Laden or Sadaam Hussein as dirty, hairy faced rag-headed morons,
which they most certainly were and are not! They are both devious, charming,
charismatic individuals of vast personal power and intellect, otherwise they
could not rule as they have done. Making the mistake of underestimating
these people could be a massive mistake indeed). We underestimated Bush too.
(or as he puts it "misunderestimated him...which I think in NewSpeak means
we mistakenly underestimated him...) Now we have to live with his misrule.

>I thought you were
> against racial sterotypes?

I am and never said I approved of Suess' use of them. What I said is
everyone believed the same way about the Germans, Japanese and Italians. I
did not say they were right. I said it was how we won the war. Making fun of
these characters put them in perspective as human beings who could be
defeated, when they all had armies under the best supervision and discipline
the world had yet seen. Our armies on the other hand were in total chaos.
The sick, stupid jokes helped kids from Biloxi and Yonkers not shit their
pants at the thought of going up against these monsters and their well
trained warriors.

> I don't think the outcome was ever really in doubt.

The outcome was in doubt several times. Had Hitler invaded England and kept
allied with Russia, they could have easily cordoned off the U.S. from it's
outside suppliers and stripped us of our economic growth. Had Hitler put
more energy into rocket systems and jet aircraft and heavy water experiments
(which he luckily saw as "nontraditional and too technical" for pure warfare
in the German style, we could have all been living under the Swastika flag.

> At least not to
> the degree that you had to confiscate the rights and property of
> American citizens just because they happened to be Japs.

As I said, we have done and continue to do bad things. But the contexts are
NOT the same. Japanese were easily identifiable and so were picked on. My
own great grandfather was made to join the American Army in WWI and fight
his own people. He had come to this country to dodge the Kaiser's draft in
Germany because he did not want to kill anyone. But because he was German,
he was forced to. Is this fair? They spit on him, threw bricks at him and
threatened him. So he went to war. War is not good for children and other
living things, true. But it does happen and when it does, people go nuts in
various ways. It is not a good thing. But it is the truth. And we cannot
fight war without understanding its truth.

A.P.

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:40:40 -0800

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In article <39jmb8F61tqb3U1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
wrote:

> > Hey, just like today! I guess some things never change.
>
> So, are you a Nazi or a disgruntled klansman?

Neither. Just a traditional conservative, or paleoconservative as
we're known today. There's very few of us left.

>
> >>It's how we WON that war.
> >
> > What, by making dehumanizing racist cartoons?
>
> Exactly. You cannot take history out of context. The threat of Japanese and
> German world domination was so severe that the world and America especially,
> had to rally everything against them. One of those things was humor. Seeing
> the enemy as less than human, even as a monster or retarded, made it easier
> for us to KILL them. And they had to be killed. There was no more room for
> negotiations or treaties. It was all or nothing. Yes, some of these same
> attitudes are being adopted today against "terrorists" but the terrorists
> and "axis of evil" countries are NOT powers that need to be dealt with by
> slaughter on some world wide scale. They are not nations bonded together
> which are rolling over Europe or Asia with tanks and soldiers. So the two
> wars have nothing to do with one another and the propaganda from the old war
> (II) are being misappropriated and misused by our present administrations.
> That is because they feel we NEED enemies and war to upgrade our economy and
> the defense complex monies of which go in the administration's pockets.
>
> I never said it was right to slur people on a racial basis. I am against it.
> But in context of history, it happened, almost every American was involved
> and you cannot retroactively change people's attitudes in the 1940's and
> make them all into people in the 2000's. It just cannot be done. You have to
> look at the old stuff and see it for what it is and let the truth of it hit
> you. Were thay assholes? Most likely. So were Hitler and Tojo and Mussolini,
> except they were WAY BIGGER ASSHOLES who threatened and mistreated and
> killed everyone who stood in the way of their principles. Do Americans do
> this? Of course. Have they done it in the past? Yes. But what you are not
> seeing is that the horrors of what humans can REALLY be like when let loose
> to slaughter and rape and pillage entire continents and build ovens to burn
> bodies and commit rampant genocide, are horrors which we hold in check now
> with humor and with stereotyping (many see Bush as a rednecked cowboy with
> huge ears and a weasely face in Political Cartoons of our times. They see
> Osama Bin Laden or Sadaam Hussein as dirty, hairy faced rag-headed morons,
> which they most certainly were and are not! They are both devious, charming,
> charismatic individuals of vast personal power and intellect, otherwise they
> could not rule as they have done. Making the mistake of underestimating
> these people could be a massive mistake indeed). We underestimated Bush too.
> (or as he puts it "misunderestimated him...which I think in NewSpeak means
> we mistakenly underestimated him...) Now we have to live with his misrule.
>
> >I thought you were
> > against racial sterotypes?
>
> I am and never said I approved of Suess' use of them. What I said is
> everyone believed the same way about the Germans, Japanese and Italians. I
> did not say they were right. I said it was how we won the war. Making fun of
> these characters put them in perspective as human beings who could be
> defeated, when they all had armies under the best supervision and discipline
> the world had yet seen. Our armies on the other hand were in total chaos.
> The sick, stupid jokes helped kids from Biloxi and Yonkers not shit their
> pants at the thought of going up against these monsters and their well
> trained warriors.
>
> > I don't think the outcome was ever really in doubt.
>
> The outcome was in doubt several times. Had Hitler invaded England and kept
> allied with Russia, they could have easily cordoned off the U.S. from it's
> outside suppliers and stripped us of our economic growth. Had Hitler put
> more energy into rocket systems and jet aircraft and heavy water experiments
> (which he luckily saw as "nontraditional and too technical" for pure warfare
> in the German style, we could have all been living under the Swastika flag.
>
> > At least not to
> > the degree that you had to confiscate the rights and property of
> > American citizens just because they happened to be Japs.
>
> As I said, we have done and continue to do bad things. But the contexts are
> NOT the same. Japanese were easily identifiable and so were picked on. My
> own great grandfather was made to join the American Army in WWI and fight
> his own people. He had come to this country to dodge the Kaiser's draft in
> Germany because he did not want to kill anyone. But because he was German,
> he was forced to. Is this fair? They spit on him, threw bricks at him and
> threatened him. So he went to war. War is not good for children and other
> living things, true. But it does happen and when it does, people go nuts in
> various ways. It is not a good thing. But it is the truth. And we cannot
> fight war without understanding its truth.
>
> A.P.

Whoa, you flexin' dogg! Better adjust that armchair. It's cutting
off the blood to your brain.

pb

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:13:07 -0700

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"polar bear" wrote in message > Neither. Just a traditional
conservative, or paleoconservative as
> we're known today. There's very few of us left.

So basically you're a living fossil. A relic of the past. Interesting then
how you don't like Dr. Seuss' cartoons...seeing as they were pretty darned
conservative, even for a Liberal like him.

A.P.

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:20:18 -0800

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In article <39krrlF62j126U1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
wrote:

> "polar bear" wrote in message > Neither. Just a traditional
> conservative, or paleoconservative as
> > we're known today. There's very few of us left.
>
>
> So basically you're a living fossil. A relic of the past. Interesting then
> how you don't like Dr. Seuss' cartoons...seeing as they were pretty darned
> conservative, even for a Liberal like him.
>
Depends on how you look at it. Just because something is old doesn't
mean it's of no value. (nenslo for example). The belief that
nations, like people, should mind their own business may be out of
fashion at the moment, but then I'm just not that fashion conscious.
Besides, at the rate fashions change these days, I may be back in vogue
before you know it.

You should probably study a bit more on WW2 before making blanket
statements about how everyone felt back then, and how necessary it all
was and stuff. Hitler didn't come out of nowhere. He had some very
powerful people behind him, not all of them Germans. As for Japan,
what would YOU do if someone imposed a complete embargo on your nation?
Pearl Harbor was a predictable outcome, in fact some say it was
intended to happen: www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

I blame Britain and France for WW1 and WW2. Study the events leading
up to and following the Great War, and you might have a different view
of things.

pb

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:13:24 -0700

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First of all, how utterly sad it is for you to accuse me of not studying the
Second World War. You seem to have done a bit of research and formed
opinions. I have grown up with men and women who fought in it and studied
intensely. You can "blame" whomever you like. That does not make you right.

The armchair historian here is you. And your views are not even relics. They
are simply wrong.

A.P.

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:41:12 -0800

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In article <39m624F6436lcU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
wrote:

> First of all, how utterly sad it is for you to accuse me of not studying the
> Second World War. You seem to have done a bit of research and formed
> opinions. I have grown up with men and women who fought in it and studied
> intensely. You can "blame" whomever you like. That does not make you right.

Uh huh. Well, just remember, it's the victor who writes history.

>
> The armchair historian here is you. And your views are not even relics. They
> are simply wrong.

Wrong again. It's not an armchair. It's a swivel chair with little
wheeeeeeeeeeeels.......... so I don't have to get up when I go to the
kitchen for a snack.
>
Every little thing hits a nerve with you, doesn't it? You should relax
dude. Take some time off. This usenet stuff is bad for your health.

pb

Posted by:: brthrn@dangermedia.org
Date: 14 Mar 2005 15:00:09 -0800

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Spoken like a true great big fat hairy GAY MAN.

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:48:28 -0700

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Let's see you accused me of being a racist because I said that Seuss's
cartoons were symbolic of what his generation was going through.

You accused me of not knowing anything about WWII.

You accused me of being an armchair historian.

So what you do is try to hit nerves and then tell people to chill out when
you do so?

The only thing on the Usenet giving me any trouble are your posts, dude.
Like the one where you want to meet me at the library...so I guess the thing
here is dish it out and if it comes back to hit you in the face, duck.

Or am I to gather that everything you say is pretty much officious bullshit
and should not be taken to heart?

All righty then.

Angelicus Rex

Posted by:: König Prüße, GfbAEV
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:02:52 GMT

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"angelicusrex" wrote:

>
>
>Let's see you accused me of being a racist because I said that Seuss's
>cartoons were symbolic of what his generation was going through.
>
>You accused me of not knowing anything about WWII.
>
>You accused me of being an armchair historian.
>
>So what you do is try to hit nerves and then tell people to chill out when
>you do so?
>
>The only thing on the Usenet giving me any trouble are your posts, dude.
>Like the one where you want to meet me at the library...so I guess the thing
>here is dish it out and if it comes back to hit you in the face, duck.
>
>Or am I to gather that everything you say is pretty much officious bullshit
>and should not be taken to heart?
>
>All righty then.
>
>Angelicus Rex
>
>

Everybody's stuff is racist and sexist except my stuff!
I love the snail darter and the spotted owl!
And fluffy bunny wabbits!

And Sleepy Time Tea with Ben&Jerry's Ice Cream
all mooshed together!

Posted by:: "Wayneth"
Date: 15 Mar 2005 17:22:01 -0800

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What the hell is this topic doing on alt.slack? what the fuck is wrong
with you people, bickering about shit that everybody cares about. go
bitch on some other forum, i dont come here to read this stuff.

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:16:32 -0800

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In article <1110936120.987678.18550@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Wayneth" wrote:

> What the hell is this topic doing on alt.slack? what the fuck is wrong
> with you people, bickering about shit that everybody cares about. go
> bitch on some other forum, i dont come here to read this stuff.

Then don't. There. Wasn't that simple?

pb

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:07:34 -0700

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>> What the hell is this topic doing on alt.slack? what the fuck is wrong
>> with you people, bickering about shit that everybody cares about. go
>> bitch on some other forum, i dont come here to read this stuff.
>
> Then don't. There. Wasn't that simple?

Twitchy.

A.P.

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:06:44 -0700

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> What the hell is this topic doing on alt.slack? what the fuck is wrong
> with you people, bickering about shit that everybody cares about. go
> bitch on some other forum, i dont come here to read this stuff.

Bitchy.

A.P.

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:39:22 -0800

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In article

, König
Prüße, GfbAEV wrote:

> I love the snail darter and the spotted owl!
> And fluffy bunny wabbits!

You wouldn't wuv fwuffy bunny wabbits vewy much if you worked where I
do. We're in an industrial park near a forest beside a river. People
started dumping pet bunnies here years ago, now there's thousands of
them. Strewth... the little buggers are everywhere. I haven't run
over any in the parking lot yet, but it's coming. Maybe we should
build rookeries for bald eagles? They're in the area too, but they
don't seem interested in bunnies. If they are, it appears the bunnies
can keep up. It's a serious problem really. Somebody's dog is going
to bring home a dead bunny and spread an incurable bunny virus to the
human population. I can see it coming.

pb

Posted by:: König Prüße, GfbAEV
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:26:21 GMT

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polar bear wrote:

>In article
>, König
>Prüße, GfbAEV wrote:
>
>> I love the snail darter and the spotted owl!
>> And fluffy bunny wabbits!
>
>You wouldn't wuv fwuffy bunny wabbits vewy much if you worked where I
>do. We're in an industrial park near a forest beside a river. People
>started dumping pet bunnies here years ago, now there's thousands of
>them. Strewth... the little buggers are everywhere. I haven't run
>over any in the parking lot yet, but it's coming. Maybe we should
>build rookeries for bald eagles? They're in the area too, but they
>don't seem interested in bunnies. If they are, it appears the bunnies
>can keep up. It's a serious problem really. Somebody's dog is going
>to bring home a dead bunny and spread an incurable bunny virus to the
>human population. I can see it coming.
>
>pb

One place I was for a while was in Upstate New York,
I guess it was the Finger Lakes part, but mostly rural and
isolated. They had Finger Lakes vineyard tours. There
were wagon Amish, and they had apples, maple syrup,
good white cheddar. And flocks of wild turkeys ambling
around all over the place.

Mexican jack rabbits are really big!

One friend had a buck rabbit who used to love
to pop balloons! You could put about a dozen
balloons on the floor and let him go, he'd bust
all the balloons in about 10 seconds!

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:11:07 -0700

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> One place I was for a while was in Upstate New York,
> I guess it was the Finger Lakes part, but mostly rural and
> isolated. They had Finger Lakes vineyard tours. There
> were wagon Amish, and they had apples, maple syrup,
> good white cheddar. And flocks of wild turkeys ambling
> around all over the place.
>
> Mexican jack rabbits are really big!
>
> One friend had a buck rabbit who used to love
> to pop balloons! You could put about a dozen
> balloons on the floor and let him go, he'd bust
> all the balloons in about 10 seconds!

Precious.

A.P.

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:10:03 -0700

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"polar bear" wrote in message
news:160320050139225810%bear@pole.com...
> In article
> , König
> Prüße, GfbAEV wrote:
> Maybe we should build rookeries for bald eagles? >
> pb

Bald eagles do not hunt rabbits generally. They are more fishing eagles.
Golden Eagles do hunt rabbits. And we need more of them too. So please build
them some rookeries. They need to be on one hundred foot high poles. Good
luck!

A.P.

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:28:47 -0800

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In article <39rlkoF60d3aqU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
wrote:

> "polar bear" wrote in message
> news:160320050139225810%bear@pole.com...
> > In article
> > , König
> > Prüße, GfbAEV wrote:
> > Maybe we should build rookeries for bald eagles? >
> > pb
>
> Bald eagles do not hunt rabbits generally. They are more fishing eagles.
> Golden Eagles do hunt rabbits. And we need more of them too. So please build
> them some rookeries. They need to be on one hundred foot high poles. Good
> luck!
>
No problem. Polar bears know all about poles.

pb

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:39:11 -0800

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:17:32 -0700

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>> > Maybe we should build rookeries for bald eagles? >
>> > pb
>>
>> Bald eagles do not hunt rabbits generally. They are more fishing eagles.
>> Golden Eagles do hunt rabbits. And we need more of them too. So please
>> build
>> them some rookeries. They need to be on one hundred foot high poles. Good
>> luck!
>>
> I was having lunch by the river one day, and an eagle swooped down and
> plucked a seagull right out of the water. Seagull never knew what hit
> him. The last time I checked, seagulls were birds, not fish.
>
> pb

If it was in the water and tasted like fish...to the eagle it's a fish.
Actually eagles will eat anything they can get. Generally however bald
eagles live near the water and eat dead or captured fish, washed up sea life
and I suppose the occasional water fowl. Golden eagles are land hunters and
eats lots of fuzzy bunny wabbits.

Seagulls are nothing but feathered rats anyway...of course, bunnies are just
short tailed, long eared rats. So build the eagle rookeries and they will
come.

Angelicus Rex

Posted by:: "Giles"
Date: 16 Mar 2005 13:42:57 -0800

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:05:59 -0700

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; "GfbAEV" wrote in message
news:MIKZd.395006$w62.244054@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> "angelicusrex" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Let's see you accused me of being a racist because I said that Seuss's
>>cartoons were symbolic of what his generation was going through.
>>
>>You accused me of not knowing anything about WWII.
>>
>>You accused me of being an armchair historian.
>>
>>So what you do is try to hit nerves and then tell people to chill out when
>>you do so?
>>
>>The only thing on the Usenet giving me any trouble are your posts, dude.
>>Like the one where you want to meet me at the library...so I guess the
>>thing
>>here is dish it out and if it comes back to hit you in the face, duck.
>>
>>Or am I to gather that everything you say is pretty much officious
>>bullshit
>>and should not be taken to heart?
>>
>>All righty then.
>>
>>Angelicus Rex
>>
>>
>
> Everybody's stuff is racist and sexist except my stuff!
> I love the snail darter and the spotted owl!
> And fluffy bunny wabbits!
>
> And Sleepy Time Tea with Ben&Jerry's Ice Cream
> all mooshed together!

Funny.

A.P.

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 02:57:52 -0800

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In article <39p717F64ce7lU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
wrote:

> Let's see you accused me of being a racist because I said that Seuss's
> cartoons were symbolic of what his generation was going through.

You got it backwards chuck. People are a blank canvas. Seuss painted
hatred upon that canvas. He wasn't representin'. He was inciting.
He didn't have to do that. He should have known better.
>
> You accused me of not knowing anything about WWII.

I merely indicated that you should brush up. Knowing Patton's dog's
name is not sufficient. You have to know WHY he had that name.
>
> You accused me of being an armchair historian.

What are you then? A History professor? Show me your badge.
>
> So what you do is try to hit nerves and then tell people to chill out when
> you do so?

Yes. It's similar to reflexology, except instead of massaging the
hands we use a rubber mallet to the head.

>
> The only thing on the Usenet giving me any trouble are your posts, dude.
> Like the one where you want to meet me at the library...so I guess the thing
> here is dish it out and if it comes back to hit you in the face, duck.

Are you sure my posts are the *only* thing on usenet giving you
trouble? You and nenslo have made up then?
>
> Or am I to gather that everything you say is pretty much officious bullshit
> and should not be taken to heart?
>
> All righty then.
>

Well OK then.

pb

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 14:24:18 -0700

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"polar bear" wrote in message
news:160320050257529104%bear@pole.com...
> In article <39p717F64ce7lU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
> wrote:
>
>> Let's see you accused me of being a racist because I said that Seuss's
>> cartoons were symbolic of what his generation was going through.
>
> You got it backwards chuck. People are a blank canvas.

Are you like really this juvenile in your thinking? Children may be a blank
canvas. Adults, to whom the cartoons were pointed, are filled in canvases,
usually filled in with the racial hatred and destructiveness their parents
and governments taught them.

> Seuss painted
> hatred upon that canvas. He wasn't representin'.

He was trying to mock evil people who he felt were trying to destroy his
country and the world. As I said, everyone nearly felt this way about the
Axis Powers.

What you have revealed to me about your knowledge of polar bears and bald
eagles makes me tend to think that you read a little bit and then make up
gigantic opinions about subjects you know little about. Now see that, you've
made me go and upset Rev. Wayneth! Oh well, can't win 'em all. He'll just
have to stop reading this now. Anyway, I think you are still trying to apply
present day mores and political correct attitudes to people in the 1940's.
This simply does not work. Seuss was follwing in line with thousands of
other politcal cartoonists. You are upset because he later wrote children's
books. He was also very vocal against warfare of any kind. He was a young
man during WWII and it taught a lot of young men how bad war was. Sure it
was easy to dis Hitler and Tojo and the German and Japanese people, until we
made them suffer and saw what it was like. So try to put things in
perspective. You're beginning to sound like an anti-Nenslo.

> What are you then? A History professor? Show me your badge.

History professors don't carry badges. However you can check out my PhD by
going to iuniverse.com and checking out my 760 page novel: Blood of the
Dragon by me...David T. Pudlevitcz PhD. Thanks.

> Are you sure my posts are the *only* thing on usenet giving you
> trouble? You and nenslo have made up then?

Nenslo and I seldom converse anymore. I gave him his props the other day.
Perhaps you did not read that message I wrote to Stang? No matter. Yes, your
posts are the only one's giving me trouble these days.

A.P. (P.S. Patton's dog? It had little or nothing to do with the cartoons of
Dr. Seuss.)

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:07:01 -0800

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In article <39rmfbF65l7dbU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
wrote:

> "polar bear" wrote in message
> news:160320050257529104%bear@pole.com...
> > In article <39p717F64ce7lU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Let's see you accused me of being a racist because I said that Seuss's
> >> cartoons were symbolic of what his generation was going through.
> >
> > You got it backwards chuck. People are a blank canvas.
>
>
> Are you like really this juvenile in your thinking? Children may be a blank
> canvas. Adults, to whom the cartoons were pointed, are filled in canvases,
> usually filled in with the racial hatred and destructiveness their parents
> and governments taught them.

Correction. That their parents, governments AND Dr Seuss taught them.
>
> > Seuss painted
> > hatred upon that canvas. He wasn't representin'.
>
> He was trying to mock evil people who he felt were trying to destroy his
> country and the world. As I said, everyone nearly felt this way about the
> Axis Powers.
>
> What you have revealed to me about your knowledge of polar bears and bald
> eagles makes me tend to think that you read a little bit and then make up
> gigantic opinions about subjects you know little about. Now see that, you've
> made me go and upset Rev. Wayneth! Oh well, can't win 'em all. He'll just
> have to stop reading this now. Anyway, I think you are still trying to apply
> present day mores and political correct attitudes to people in the 1940's.
> This simply does not work. Seuss was follwing in line with thousands of
> other politcal cartoonists. You are upset because he later wrote children's
> books. He was also very vocal against warfare of any kind. He was a young
> man during WWII and it taught a lot of young men how bad war was. Sure it
> was easy to dis Hitler and Tojo and the German and Japanese people, until we
> made them suffer and saw what it was like. So try to put things in
> perspective. You're beginning to sound like an anti-Nenslo.

Feh. You're only defending him because he's a fellow cartoonist. I
suppose if you were an architect, you'd be defending Hitler.
>
>
> > What are you then? A History professor? Show me your badge.
>
> History professors don't carry badges.

The hell they don't. Everyone with a PhD has a badge. Without it, no
one would respect their authority.

However you can check out my PhD by
> going to iuniverse.com and checking out my 760 page novel: Blood of the
> Dragon by me...David T. Pudlevitcz PhD. Thanks.

Sorry. I don't read books by people without badges.
>
> > Are you sure my posts are the *only* thing on usenet giving you
> > trouble? You and nenslo have made up then?
>
> Nenslo and I seldom converse anymore. I gave him his props the other day.
> Perhaps you did not read that message I wrote to Stang? No matter. Yes, your
> posts are the only one's giving me trouble these days.
>
> A.P. (P.S. Patton's dog? It had little or nothing to do with the cartoons of
> Dr. Seuss.)

it was an analogy. If you had a badge you'd have know that.

pb

Posted by:: Rev DJ Epoch
Date: 17 Mar 2005 12:16:49 GMT

--------
polar bear wrote in news:170320050107018283%bear@pole.com:

> In article <39rmfbF65l7dbU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
> wrote:
>
>> "polar bear" wrote in message
>> news:160320050257529104%bear@pole.com...
>> > In article <39p717F64ce7lU1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Let's see you accused me of being a racist because I said that
>> >> Seuss's cartoons were symbolic of what his generation was going
>> >> through.
>> >
>> > You got it backwards chuck. People are a blank canvas.
>>
>>
>> Are you like really this juvenile in your thinking? Children may be a
>> blank canvas. Adults, to whom the cartoons were pointed, are filled in
>> canvases, usually filled in with the racial hatred and destructiveness
>> their parents and governments taught them.
>
> Correction. That their parents, governments AND Dr Seuss taught them.
>>
>> > Seuss painted
>> > hatred upon that canvas. He wasn't representin'.
>>
>> He was trying to mock evil people who he felt were trying to destroy
>> his country and the world. As I said, everyone nearly felt this way
>> about the Axis Powers.
>>
>> What you have revealed to me about your knowledge of polar bears and
>> bald eagles makes me tend to think that you read a little bit and then
>> make up gigantic opinions about subjects you know little about. Now see
>> that, you've made me go and upset Rev. Wayneth! Oh well, can't win 'em
>> all. He'll just have to stop reading this now. Anyway, I think you are
>> still trying to apply present day mores and political correct attitudes
>> to people in the 1940's. This simply does not work. Seuss was follwing
>> in line with thousands of other politcal cartoonists. You are upset
>> because he later wrote children's books. He was also very vocal against
>> warfare of any kind. He was a young man during WWII and it taught a lot
>> of young men how bad war was. Sure it was easy to dis Hitler and Tojo
>> and the German and Japanese people, until we made them suffer and saw
>> what it was like. So try to put things in perspective. You're beginning
>> to sound like an anti-Nenslo.
>
> Feh. You're only defending him because he's a fellow cartoonist. I
> suppose if you were an architect, you'd be defending Hitler.
>>
>>
>> > What are you then? A History professor? Show me your badge.
>>
>> History professors don't carry badges.
>
> The hell they don't. Everyone with a PhD has a badge. Without it, no
> one would respect their authority.
>
> However you can check out my PhD by
>> going to iuniverse.com and checking out my 760 page novel: Blood of the
>> Dragon by me...David T. Pudlevitcz PhD. Thanks.
>
> Sorry. I don't read books by people without badges.
>>
>> > Are you sure my posts are the *only* thing on usenet giving you
>> > trouble? You and nenslo have made up then?
>>
>> Nenslo and I seldom converse anymore. I gave him his props the other
>> day. Perhaps you did not read that message I wrote to Stang? No matter.
>> Yes, your posts are the only one's giving me trouble these days.
>>
>> A.P. (P.S. Patton's dog? It had little or nothing to do with the
>> cartoons of Dr. Seuss.)
>
> it was an analogy. If you had a badge you'd have know that.
>
> pb
>

"BADGES??!?! WE DON' NEED NO STEENKIN' BADGES!!!"

--
12th Epochalyptic Dungeon of The Church of Our Lady of Perpetual Motion
Cathedral, Carwash and Dancehall- Home of the Traci Lords Memorial Brothel
Rev. DJ Epoch - proprietor and janitor
Divine Southern Redneck Yeti Clench Recruitment site: http://revdjepoch.COM

"What does Michael Jackson call a school bus? 'Meals on Wheels'!"
-- Some morning radio show insanity

"People from other countries are so goddamned foreign. I hope they stay
where they come from."
-- HellPope Huey

Posted by:: "krustymadfaker"
Date: 17 Mar 2005 10:33:51 -0800

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>>"BADGES??!?! WE DON' NEED NO STEENKIN' BADGES!!!">>>

We just need your I.D. to board the saucers!!

REv.KrustyMADfaker

"This is the most uncomfortable coffin I've ever been in."
-Bela Lugosi

Posted by:: polar bear
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:02:41 -0800

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In article , Rev DJ
Epoch wrote:

> polar bear wrote in news:170320050107018283%bear@pole.com:
snip
> >
> > it was an analogy. If you had a badge you'd have know that.
> >
> > pb
> >
>
> "BADGES??!?! WE DON' NEED NO STEENKIN' BADGES!!!"

Thief! I put that there for A.R.
You couldn't wait, could you?

pb

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:25:38 -0700

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>> "BADGES??!?! WE DON' NEED NO STEENKIN' BADGES!!!"
>
> Thief! I put that there for A.R.
> You couldn't wait, could you?
>
> pb

Damn, a day late and a dollar short as usual! Sorry I did use that reference
but neglected to look at everyone else's posts before I sprung it on you.
BTW Treasure of Sierra Madre is my all time favorite movie.

Oh, and won't Stang and Nenslo be fucking upset when they see me get on the
Pleasure Saucers with my I.D.! They may say I am no subGenius, but I got the
paper to prove it! And that's all I need to get my free ride to paradise!
PRABOB...(Notice it doesn't say PraStang or PraNenslo?)

Adios, compadre!

Companeros! Vamanos!

A.R.

Posted by:: "angelicusrex"
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:20:41 -0700

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"polar bear" wrote in message

> Correction. That their parents, governments AND Dr Seuss taught them.

Yes, and your point is? Seuss wasn't teaching anything new. He was just
going along with the crowd, later he decided the crowd was wrong and was
very anti-war and anti-racism. People do change their ways, you know? And he
changed his ways in the face of a gigantic opposition to anti-war senitments
in the 50's and 60's. So I think Seuss was all right in my book. (My book:
The Cat in the Hat Shat in My Hat!)

> Feh. You're only defending him because he's a fellow cartoonist.

No I am defending him because he was able to change in the face of
overwhelming odds. But I did learn a lot from his art...not his political
views. I was not raised with those.

> I
> suppose if you were an architect, you'd be defending Hitler.

I have done some architecture. I designed the Tucumcari New Mexico City
Animal Shelter. However I will not defend Hitler. I will say this, if some
jack-asses in the Art school that Hitler tried to apply for, would have seen
his talent (and he did have some, believe it or not, his drawings and
paintings were not bad, they were simply rather sterile and mundane)...and
let him stay in school, WWII might never have happened. If someone had given
him a show, we might have had another bombastic weirdo artist, instead of a
monster of nature! See the movie "Max." It tells an awesome tale. And
portrays Hitler in a very startling and yet truthful light.

>> > What are you then? A History professor? Show me your badge.
>>
>> History professors don't carry badges.
>
> The hell they don't. Everyone with a PhD has a badge. Without it, no
> one would respect their authority.

Well jeez, I guess I never picked mine up at the PhD office!

> Sorry. I don't read books by people without badges.

I didn't ask you yo read the book. I said to check it out. No matter it is
beyond your reading capabilities anyway.

> it was an analogy. If you had a badge you'd have know that.
>
> pb

Badges? Badges? We don't gots no badges...We don't got to show you no
STINKIN' BADGES!

Adios, compadre.

A.P.

Posted by:: ert
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:41:41 GMT

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On 2005-03-13 08:53:28 -0600, polar bear said:

> In article <39fk02F61dq89U1@individual.net>, "angelicusrex"
> wrote:
>
>>> What an asshole.
>>>
>>> pb
>>
>> You don't seem to get it, do you? At the time EVERYONE in this country
>> had the exact same feelings and attitudes, except the American Nazi
>> party and a few disgruntled Klansmen.
>
> Hey, just like today! I guess some things never change.
>
>> It's how we WON that war.
>
> What, by making dehumanizing racist cartoons? I thought you were
> against racial sterotypes?
>
> And that particular one
>> needed to be won. Unless you prefer working in a salt mine until you
>> die of starvation.
>
> I don't think the outcome was ever really in doubt. At least not to
> the degree that you had to confiscate the rights and property of
> American citizens just because they happened to be Japs.
>>
> pb

There is some racism in there and there is also some anti-racism:
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/Racism.html
It seems that he was just slightly ahead of his time and more concerned
with winning the war than with being consistent. Considering we have
very few Nazis in the US right now that might have been a good thing.

--
"There is a difference between democracy and self determination"

-GW Bush

Posted by:: "Giles"
Date: 14 Mar 2005 10:01:32 -0800

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polar bear wrote:
> Dr. Seuss Went to War:
.
Riding on a pony...

Posted by:: Rev DJ Epoch
Date: 16 Mar 2005 13:32:42 GMT

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"Giles" wrote in news:1110823292.630248.3000
@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

> polar bear wrote:
>> Dr. Seuss Went to War:
> .
> Riding on a pony...
>
>

Stuck a grenade launcher in his cap and called it TromboTubaOompahPhone.