From: brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC)
Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2004
of diamonds.
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC) wrote:
> of diamonds.
10 of pipes
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
In the sixth position of your spread, the Future position,
we have the
10 of pipes. This represents the potential for a calamity
or challenge
in your near future. This is coupled with the appearance
of The Bobbie
in the eighth position, the Influence position. His
presence indicates
you will be able to choose whether to confront or avoid
the situation.
I advise you to carefully consider the costs and benefits--both
emotional and financial--before you decide on a course
of action.
--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote:
Alright. You picked up on that. I was thinking about
an SG tarot deck
and what cards would be in it, in fact I almost wrote
it up, but I was
too tired and went to bed instead. Now, maybe someone
has done this
already? It is kind of obvious, but often the obvious
sails right past
us without even saying hello.
Anyway, I got as far as Pipes and Saucers, then I couldn't
think of any
other suites. Frop? Squids? Sales? Sales makes sense.
That would
make "Bob" the King of Sales. I'm not sure
if Slack is a suite, or a
single card. The Devival. The Bobbie. The Escape.
The CON. These
are all fairly obvious. Maybe Twin Towers? What else?
I'm not really
up on this stuff, so someone with more knowledge should
probably fake
it from here.
pb
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From: wbarwell <wbarwell@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com>
polar bear wrote:
Snakes, bottles, saucers and pipes
--
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with
a shotgun
in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go
to
Canada. So I chose to better myself and learn to
fly airplanes."
- George W. Bush May 1984 to the Houston Chronicle
Cheerful Charlie
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From: aleuphoric@canada.com (Linus Minimax)
> Anyway, I got as far as Pipes and Saucers, then
I couldn't think of any
> other suites. Frop? Squids? Sales?
Fists?
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From: aleuphoric@canada.com (Linus Minimax)
If Saucers are Pentacles, Pipes are Cups, Fists are
Clubs, and Swords
would be.............?
Excuses?
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
I'm thinking all the SubGenius tarot cards should have
qualities which
correspond to the traditional cards. That way someone
who's familiar
with a regular tarot deck can do a reading with SubGenius
cards.
The Minor Arcana's easy: Pipes, Saucers, Sales, and
Excuses, with their
qualities corresponding to the traditional suits of
Wands, Swords,
Pentacles, and Cups, respectively. The imagery seems
to fit pretty well.
The Major Arcana is where it gets tough. All I can
think of is The
Bobbie (corresponding to The Fool), and Slack (corresponding
to The Star).
--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
I was thinking seriously of making a Subgenius tarot
deck. But "BOB"
should be The Fool. C'mon.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"Kilgore Trout once wrote a short story which was
a dialogue between two
pieces of yeast. They were discussing the possible purposes
of life as
they ate sugar and suffocated in their own excrement.
But because of
their limited perspective, they never came close to
guessing they were
making champagne."
-- Kurt Vonnegut
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
I was thinking he'd be on the King of Sales. But yeah,
I can see "Bob"
as The Fool.
--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
At the same time though, I really like the idea that
the "Bob" head be
one of the suits.
I can't think what suit it would fit but it would just
be cool to have
one of the series be all multiples of the "Bob"
head.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"A free society trusts its citizens."
-- George W. Bush in China
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
OTOH, it could just have 5 suits.
Fuck it.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"A free society trusts its citizens."
-- George W. Bush in China
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
Joe Cosby wrote:
>>At the same time though, I really like the idea
that the "Bob" head be
>>one of the suits.
>>
>>I can't think what suit it would fit but it
would just be cool to have
>>one of the series be all multiples of the "Bob"
head.
Why not use Dobbs as the name of the suit? E.g. the
Page of Dobbs.
Ends in S even if it isn't plural.
> OTOH, it could just have 5 suits.
>
> Fuck it.
Sure. I used to date a girl who was into tarot and was
pretty good at
it. Her favorite deck had five suits; the standard
four plus Hearts.
--
"There is no reason to count over
1,000,000 except for money."
-- nu-monet v6.0
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
The more I think about it the more I like it. There
could be a fairly
clearly identifiable relationship to four of the suits
with the
standard suits, plus the X-factor Dobbs suit.
Occult purists could assign that to Spirit.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"It is no measure of health
to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
- Krishnamurti
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From: brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC)
Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> I was thinking he'd be on the King of Sales. But
yeah, I can see "Bob"
> as The Fool.
It's the only place to start.
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From: Frere Jean Bleu <FrJBleu@ifrance.com>
Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>The Major Arcana is where it gets tough. All I
can think of is The
>Bobbie (corresponding to The Fool), and Slack (corresponding
to The Star).
The luck plane would be the wheel of fortune.
Connie the High Priestess
The antibob the Devil
Silicon valley Tarot deck here with a similar theme:
Disks, Networks, cubicles and Hosts substituting for the original
http://www.svtarot.com/net/
Fr J B
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
Frere Jean Bleu wrote:
> The luck plane would be the wheel of fortune.
>
> Connie the High Priestess
>
> The antibob the Devil
>
> Silicon valley Tarot deck here with a similar theme:
>
> Disks, Networks, cubicles and Hosts substituting
for the original
>
> http://www.svtarot.com/net/
From Steve Jackson's company, who published the SubGenius
INWO game, no
less.
--
"There is no reason to count over
1,000,000 except for money."
-- nu-monet v6.0
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
> Silicon valley Tarot deck here with a similar theme:
>
> Disks, Networks, cubicles and Hosts substituting
for the original
>
> http://www.svtarot.com/net/
>
> Fr J B
Didn't the discordians come up with one a while back?
I seem to
remember seeing it somewhere.
pb
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
saucers should be cups, pipes should be swords
Then $ signs should be pentacles. Fists would be good clubs tho
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
The subgenius must have slack!
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
"Joe Cosby" <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
wrote:
> saucers should be cups, pipes should be swords
>
> Then $ signs should be pentacles. Fists would
be good clubs tho
Made me pull out them old debbil books, you bastards.
Earth, air, fire and water. Seems to me Squids would
make an appropriate
Water suit.
Saucers = air = Swords
Pipes = fire = Wands.
$ = earth = Pentacles.
Squids = water = Cups. But I like the Fist idea better.
It would make good
cards.
The Magus... "Bob" in his basement workshop,
wielding a ballpeen hammer,
discarded household appliances littering the work table,
a human brain in a
glowing glass jar with a pair of Connie's panties draped
over it.
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From: aleuphoric@canada.com (Linus Minimax)
This sounds good. 'Fists' is great but 'Excuses' would
make a good
water suit as well.
But for compromise, imagine a giant squid as The Chariot.
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
Linus Minimax wrote:
>> Saucers = air = Swords
>>
>> Pipes = fire = Wands.
>>
>> $ = earth = Pentacles.
>>
>> Squids = water = Cups. But I like the Fist
idea better. It would make good
>> cards.
>
> This sounds good. 'Fists' is great but 'Excuses'
would make a good
> water suit as well.
Cups is supposed to be all malleable and feminine and
ductile and soft.
As a corresponding suit, Excuses makes more sense
than Fists.
--
"There is no reason to count over
1,000,000 except for money."
-- nu-monet v6.0
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From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
"Cardinal Vertigo" <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
wrote:
> Linus Minimax wrote:
>
> Cups is supposed to be all malleable and feminine
and ductile and soft.
> As a corresponding suit, Excuses makes more sense
than Fists.
malleable, feminine, ductile and soft.....SQUIDS!
~Salacia
--
The above post has been presented for entertainment
purposes only.
Reader's discretion is advised.
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
I too vote for squids. It sounds better: Nine of Squids.
See?
I would make The Excuse one of the Major Arcana. In
fact we might as
well formalize this and settle on a standard for screen
display and
printing and then get to work posting on ABS. I figure
folks can make
up their own decks out of the ones they like best, so
no two will be
exactly alike, which is fine by me.
Tarot draws from a deep well of myths and archetypes,
all of which have
their parallels in the CofSG. I've tried to stay true
to the wisdom
of both in making my choices, but I'm no authoritay.
Most of them seem
obvious to me, but I'll admit some are a bit weak.
I'm more about
fleshing this thing out than getting hung up on particulars.
Maybe
someone else has a better take. If so, let's hear it.
I'm not out
here for my health you know.
I'm using this site as a reference:
http://www.aeclectic.net/tarot/learn/meanings/
but there's lots of others. If you have a better choice,
post it.
OK, here we go:
Major Arcana
Fool - The Bobbie
Magician - "Bob"
High Priestess - "Connie"
(Read the bios. It's a perfect fit)
Empress - Wei
Emperor - Stang
(again, a perfect fit, right down to the the golden
hair. The names
even have a sinister ring, so the effect is not lost
on the
uninitiated)
Hierophant - The Doktor (the paid-up one)
Lovers - Sex Goddesses
Chariot - Escape Vessel
Strength - The Devival
Hermit - The Yeti (or maybe The Nenslo?)
Wheel - The Luck Plane
Justice - SLACK! (what else could it be?)
Hanged Man - The Purple (well, right color anyway)
Death - Stark Fist of Removal
Temperance - this is a tough one! (The Joke?)
Devil - JVH-1
Tower - WTC (our deck is better. It has TWO towers!)
Star - Eternal Salvation?
Moon - The Excuse?
Sun - The Sale?
Judgement - X-Day
World - The Pinks
Minor Arcana
In Pipes, Saucers, Sales and Squids
(my choices - feel free to disagree)
These could be personalities from the Church,
or just numbers. (is there any difference?)
Ace to Ten
Court Cards
Pages (notorious bobbies?)
Knights (famous doktors?)
Queens (famous doctrices?)
Kings - "Bob" again. Obviously the king of
sales, but also the king of
pipes. Thus he appears three times, which is a sacred
number.
Connie should probably be Queen, or maybe King of saucers
and squids
for obvious reasons. Gotta strike a balance here somehow.
Now, if we get off our bulbous behinds, we might actually
pull this
off. Subs with no graphic inclination should consider
writing the
texts and interpretations so that these cards can actually
be used to
tell fortunes. A Tarot booth at X-day is definitely
something to aim
for, if not this year then next year for sure! (sound
familiar?)
I also like the idea of an optional fifth suite. This
can be anything
of the author's choosing, like...oh...I dunno....BEARS,
for example.
pb
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From: brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC)
polar bear <bear@pole.com> wrote in message news:<160420042225242526%bear@pole.com>...
> Major Arcana
>
> Fool - The Bobbie
This is the only one I would disagree with. Only because
I see The
Fool as more of a starting location (fresh and wet and
sticky from the
womb) rather than a permanent state. The Fool is prepared
to make
his/her ascent/descent. The Bobbie (the way I see it)
thinks he/she is
already at the top of the tree. Throwing coconuts at
the Elephant and
the Ant fucking on the jungle floor below. A young "Bob"
would be more
fitting. I think. Idunno.
Personally. Thought you did a nice job though. Otherwise.
"I speak your very word..."
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC) wrote:
sNiP
> > Fool - The Bobbie
>
> This is the only one I would disagree with. Only
because I see The
> Fool as more of a starting location (fresh and
wet and sticky from the
> womb) rather than a permanent state. The Fool is
prepared to make
> his/her ascent/descent. The Bobbie (the way I see
it) thinks he/she is
> already at the top of the tree. Throwing coconuts
at the Elephant and
> the Ant fucking on the jungle floor below. A young
"Bob" would be more
> fitting. I think. Idunno.
Basically I was trying to follow the narrative.
*With all his worldly possessions in one small pack,
the Fool travels
he knows not where. So filled with visions and daydreams
is he, that he
doesn't see the cliff he is likely to fall over.*
That cliff being an encounter with "Bob"......
*In standing for the Querent, the Fool represents a
time of newness, a
time when life has been "re-started" as it
were. The person feels that
they are back at Zero, whether that be in romantic affairs,
or career,
at their job or intellectual persuits. Far from being
sad or
frustrating, the Querent feels remarkably *free*, light
hearted and
refreshed, as if being given a second chance. They feel
young and
energized.*
A fairly accurate description of the state most Bobbies
arrive in. I'm
reminded of the old WB cartoon where the little dog
hops around, going
"what we do now now Spike, huh, huh, what do we
do now?" only to be
repeatedly slapped down by the older more cynical bulldog.
*Unfortunately, in this childlike state the person is
likely to be
overly optimistic or naive. A Fool can be a Fool. This
is the card
likely to turn up when a Querent is thinking of investing
his money in
a new, "sure fire" business*
Eh? Eh? Now look at the first person he encounters on his journey:
*Traveling on his way, the Fool first encounters a Magician.
Skillful,
self-confident, a powerful magus with the infinite as
a halo floating
above his head, the Magician mesmerizes the Fool. When
asked, the Fool
gives over his bundled pack and stick to the Magician*
Eh? Eh?
Now, I realize this doesn't exactly fit the traditional
description of
a Bobbie, but as an optimist (which I believe "Bob"
is) I'm prepared to
accept that most Bobbies are on some sort of path, whether
they know it
or not, and in reality tend to fork over the money fairly
soon, or
wander off a cliff never to be heard from again.
I'm also trying to draw attention to the fact that all
of us, whether
we admit it or not, have some element of the Bobbie
in our personality.
Now as I understand it, "Bob's" encounter
with the Stark Truth and his
eventual discovery of Slack were for the most part lucky
accidents, not
the result of a quest in which he encounters various
characters that
help him fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle.
So, that's why I
made the fool the Bobbie. He represents the latent
Subgenius in all
his irritating splendor, just starting down that path
to eternal
salvation (or triple his money back)
Of course there's nothing that says we have to follow
the original
script. If I've learned one thing from this church,
it's that if the
facts don't fit, you can always use an eight pound ballpeen
hammer and
MAKE them fit.
> Personally. Thought you did a nice job though. Otherwise.
Thanks.
pb
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From: brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC)
polar bear <bear@pole.com> wrote:
> brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC) wrote:
> sNiP
> > > Fool - The Bobbie
> >
> > This is the only one I would disagree with.
Only because I see The
> > Fool as more of a starting location (fresh
and wet and sticky from the
> > womb) rather than a permanent state. The Fool
is prepared to make
> > his/her ascent/descent. The Bobbie (the way
I see it) thinks he/she is
> > already at the top of the tree. Throwing coconuts
at the Elephant and
> > the Ant fucking on the jungle floor below.
A young "Bob" would be more
> > fitting. I think. Idunno.
>
> Basically I was trying to follow the narrative.
>
> *With all his worldly possessions in one small
pack, the Fool travels
> he knows not where. So filled with visions and
daydreams is he, that he
> doesn't see the cliff he is likely to fall over.*
>
> That cliff being an encounter with "Bob"......
>
> *In standing for the Querent, the Fool represents
a time of newness, a
> time when life has been "re-started"
as it were. The person feels that
> they are back at Zero, whether that be in romantic
affairs, or career,
> at their job or intellectual persuits. Far from
being sad or
> frustrating, the Querent feels remarkably *free*,
light hearted and
> refreshed, as if being given a second chance. They
feel young and
> energized.*
>
> A fairly accurate description of the state most
Bobbies arrive in. I'm
> reminded of the old WB cartoon where the little
dog hops around, going
> "what we do now now Spike, huh, huh, what
do we do now?" only to be
> repeatedly slapped down by the older more cynical
bulldog.
>
> *Unfortunately, in this childlike state the person
is likely to be
> overly optimistic or naive. A Fool can be a Fool.
This is the card
> likely to turn up when a Querent is thinking of
investing his money in
> a new, "sure fire" business*
>
> Eh? Eh? Now look at the first person he encounters
on his journey:
>
> *Traveling on his way, the Fool first encounters
a Magician. Skillful,
> self-confident, a powerful magus with the infinite
as a halo floating
> above his head, the Magician mesmerizes the Fool.
When asked, the Fool
> gives over his bundled pack and stick to the Magician*
>
> Eh? Eh?
>
> Now, I realize this doesn't exactly fit the traditional
description of
> a Bobbie, but as an optimist (which I believe "Bob"
is) I'm prepared to
> accept that most Bobbies are on some sort of path,
whether they know it
> or not, and in reality tend to fork over the money
fairly soon, or
> wander off a cliff never to be heard from again.
>
> I'm also trying to draw attention to the fact that
all of us, whether
> we admit it or not, have some element of the Bobbie
in our personality.
>
> Now as I understand it, "Bob's" encounter
with the Stark Truth and his
> eventual discovery of Slack were for the most part
lucky accidents, not
> the result of a quest in which he encounters various
characters that
> help him fill in the missing pieces of the puzzle.
So, that's why I
> made the fool the Bobbie. He represents the latent
Subgenius in all
> his irritating splendor, just starting down that
path to eternal
> salvation (or triple his money back)
It's an excellent narrative. And. I think it works.
On a side note. Spurred on by this discussion. I performed
a Tarot
experiment of my own last night with rather keen results.
Thanks!
-Boys-
"Time is breaking...changing...wind us up now...not
too hard now..."
> Of course there's nothing that says we have to
follow the original
> script. If I've learned one thing from this church,
it's that if the
> facts don't fit, you can always use an eight pound
ballpeen hammer and
> MAKE them fit.
If it were any different. I would be so outta here.
This is the ONLY
Church I could ever 'subscribe' to.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
"HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
wrote:
>"Cardinal Vertigo" <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
wrote in message
>> Linus Minimax wrote:
>>
>> Cups is supposed to be all malleable and feminine
and ductile and soft.
>> As a corresponding suit, Excuses makes more
sense than Fists.
>
>malleable, feminine, ductile and soft.....SQUIDS!
so ... this is that moment in time when one of us are
supposed to get
off our asses and actually do something about all this,
right?
I love these moments.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
When you go into court,
you are putting your fate
into the hands of twelve people
who weren't smart enough to get out of jury
duty.
- Norm Crosby
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From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
I'll do one or two if I can make them funny. and squishy.
~Salacia
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
You're going to ruin the moment.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
I wouldnt mind finding Bob Dean's tongue in my mouth,
as long as the rest of
him wasn't attached to the end of it.
- shizoor
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> so ... this is that moment in time when one of
us are supposed to get
> off our asses and actually do something about all
this, right?
>
> I love these moments.
Actually, this is one of those projects where you can remain seated.
pb
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
Someone should do something about all the apathy in this church.
--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
"Feel free to use the marching chant I wrote for
the Alzheimer's Day
Parade:
WHAT DO WE WANT?
I DON'T REMEMBER!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
WHEN DO WE WANT WHAT?"
- nenslo
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"Islam is a religion in which God requires
you to send your son to die for him.
Christianity is a faith in which God sends
his son to die for you."
--Attorney General John Ashcroft
"Subgenius is a religion where you send "Bob"
your money, and you get
to kill him."
--The Reverend Doctor Lieutenant Chaos Israel.
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
Joe Cosby wrote:
Good idea. Someone should organize an apathy protest march.
I'd go, or at least I'd talk about going before eventually
deciding it'd
be too much hassle.
--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>Someone should do something about all the apathy
in this church.
I was thinking we could make a tarot deck with 77 "Apathy"
cards and
one "Bob" card.
But that would be a bad idea.
You know why?
Not because it's a dumb joke (though it is). Not because
people would
feel ripped off (though they would, and I would probably
feel
genuinely bad about that).
But because, if they made any impact at all, Bob Dean
would come
along, post 11,000 lines explaining how the 77 x Apathy
+ 1 x Bob had
this post-modern tweed academia elite Marshall Machluhan
meaning,
which would make no sense at all, and he would then
spend the next six
months going "bwa ha ha" and "exactly"
as if he were in on some
secret.
Which, really, he will do anyway.
But all it takes is one pink boy to ruin even a bad joke.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
Jesus has returned, with a rusty coat hanger
- The Rev. Ivan Stang
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From: aleuphoric@canada.com (Linus Minimax)
"The Minor Arcana's easy: Pipes, Saucers, Sales,
and Excuses, with
their
qualities corresponding to the traditional suits of
Wands, Swords,
Pentacles, and Cups, respectively. The imagery seems
to fit pretty
well."
"saucers should be cups, pipes should be swords
Then $ signs should be pentacles. Fists would be good
clubs tho"
I figured the pipe-bowl corresponded to cups, and the
saucer-disc
corresponded to pentacles............ but then the
pipe does seem to
be used like more of a wand. I thought excuses were
more like a sword
(cleaving the past "reality"!), but damn it'll
be hard constructing an
agreement....... Plus I love sales as pentacles.
King of Sales is nice but "Bob" has to be
major arcana. Fool, Devil,
or Magician. Or the 'copyright-circle-'C'-with-pipe'
as Devil.
Or maybe ALL the major arcana should be "Bob"!
I'm pretty interested in what the Hermit and Temperance could be.
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From: ToiletDuk <TehDuk@thehive.com>
brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC)wrote:
>of diamonds.
Nope. Go fish.
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
ToiletDuk <TehDuk@thehive.com> wrote:
AHA! 12 of ducks! YOU go fish!
pb
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
In article <140420041945171607%bear@pole.com>,
polar bear
<bear@pole.com> wrote:
> Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> > polar bear wrote:
> > > brthrn@dangermedia.org (MRvDC) wrote:
> > >>of diamonds.
> > >
> > >
> > > 10 of pipes
> >
> > In the sixth position of your spread, the
Future position, we have the
> > 10 of pipes. This represents the potential
for a calamity or challenge
> > in your near future. This is coupled with
the appearance of The Bobbie
> > in the eighth position, the Influence position.
His presence indicates
> > you will be able to choose whether to confront
or avoid the situation.
> > I advise you to carefully consider the costs
and benefits--both
> > emotional and financial--before you decide
on a course of action.
>
> Alright. You picked up on that. I was thinking
about an SG tarot deck
> and what cards would be in it, in fact I almost
wrote it up, but I was
> too tired and went to bed instead. Now, maybe
someone has done this
> already? It is kind of obvious, but often the
obvious sails right past
> us without even saying hello.
>
> Anyway, I got as far as Pipes and Saucers, then
I couldn't think of any
> other suites. Frop? Squids? Sales? Sales makes
sense. That would
> make "Bob" the King of Sales. I'm not
sure if Slack is a suite, or a
> single card. The Devival. The Bobbie. The Escape.
The CON. These
> are all fairly obvious. Maybe Twin Towers? What
else? I'm not really
> up on this stuff, so someone with more knowledge
should probably fake
> it from here.
>
> pb
Kerry Thornley did a "Bob" tarot -- started
it, rather, in the late
80s, got only about 5 cards into it, because the cards
were cigaret
packages that he decorated, and he only produced one
every now and
then.
Somewhere in that room full of boxes labeled "4 Next Fist."
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
Goes to show you. Kerry makes five of the things before
anyone has
even heard of photoshop, and today you can't even get
one lousy card
out of these so-called artists.
I'd do it myself except my graphic talent is close to
zero. Sure, I
can cut and paste Dobbshead's with the best of them,
but this calls for
a bit more finess.
If you did a good job, you could probably sell them
for around $30 a
deck. You know, $30 here, $30 dollars there.... pretty
soon you're
talking real money.
pb
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
polar bear <bear@pole.com> wrote:
> > Kerry Thornley did a "Bob" tarot
-- started it, rather, in the late
> > 80s, got only about 5 cards into it, because
the cards were cigaret
> > packages that he decorated, and he only produced
one every now and
> > then.
> >
> > Somewhere in that room full of boxes labeled
"4 Next Fist."
>
> Goes to show you. Kerry makes five of the things
before anyone has
> even heard of photoshop, and today you can't even
get one lousy card
> out of these so-called artists.
No! Dozens have done one or two, but it's always The Fool with "Bob".
> I'd do it myself except my graphic talent is close
to zero. Sure, I
> can cut and paste Dobbshead's with the best of
them, but this calls for
> a bit more finess.
>
> If you did a good job, you could probably sell
them for around $30 a
> deck. You know, $30 here, $30 dollars there....
pretty soon you're
> talking real money.
WHOA!!! Like the Steve Jackson SubGenius INWO Game!
We'll be so RICH!
Only this one'll be EASY... yeah! Easy!
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
I knew you'd get it! It's the Vision thing, isn't it?
pb
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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>
polar bear wrote:
> If you did a good job, you could probably sell
them for around $30 a
> deck. You know, $30 here, $30 dollars there....
pretty soon you're
> talking real money.
Yes, and all you'd have to do to do a "good job"
is put hundreds of
hours of work into it and have it professionally printed
and die cut for
hundreds and hundreds of dollars and end up with a half
dozen cartons in
your basement of which you will sell about three decks
a year if you are
lucky, leaving you down by about 98% of your total investment
of time
and money because the number of people who have 30 bucks
to waste on a
useless novelty in-joke card deck is far smaller than
you think. And
that's why nobody does it. There are good ideas to
talk about and good
ideas to do. This isn't one.
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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
Whoa... hundreds and hundreds! Even Carl Sagan couldn't afford THAT!!!
pb
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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> Kerry Thornley did a "Bob" tarot -- started
it, rather, in the late
> 80s, got only about 5 cards into it, because the
cards were cigaret
> packages that he decorated, and he only produced
one every now and
> then.
>
> Somewhere in that room full of boxes labeled "4
Next Fist."
The SubGenius Tarot is a half an idea which resurfaces
just about once
every 1.5 years. The victim of the half idea comes
up with like five
cards and the suggestion that someone else come up with
the rest and
make them all. When someone actually creates a SubGenius
Tarot they
will not talk about it, they will present it as a fait
accompli.
When you talk about an idea, you kill it. I wish I
had a (something)
for every person who's told me all about their great
idea that they are
definitely really going to do and then never do it.
In James Norman
Hall's book "The Forgotten One and other true tales
of the South Seas"
is a story "Frisbie of Danger Island" about
a fellow who epitomises this
error. At their first meeting, Frisbie related in its
tiniest detail
his Grand Plan of Life, and continued to refine it,
telling it over and
over for years, and never taking even the first step
to put it into
action. Thus my dictum - if you want to bring an idea
to fruition don't
tell anybody about it.
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
I've said it before and I'm saying it again: Someone
should do something
about all the apathy in this church.
--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby
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