Movie-Downloading Former Hippie Wanna-Bes

From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2004

Excellent copies of Jimi Plays Monterey and the whole original Michael
Wadleigh "Woodstock" are on alt.binaries.vcd.svcd in SVCD bin/cue
format. "Woodstock" comprises 5 CDRs.

I saw the Woodstock movie when I was 16. While it didn't make me want
to be a hippie, exactly, me being not exactly all peace-n-love, or
cool, it did make me want to meet more topless bespectacled hippie
girls, and to film and edit kick-ass rock bands from right up on stage
or just below.

Since that movie came out, I did indeed make a lifelong hobby of both,
and at times money off both. From The Pink Boyz through Doktors 4
"Bob," The Swingin' Love Corpses, Einstein's Secret Orchestra to The
Amino Acids I have gotten a huge kick out of shooting my buddies' bands
"Woodstock-style". I can't edit them Woodstock-style because there
aren't two cameras, and split-screens SUCK anyway.

I was assistant cameraman on one big actual real festival, a Willie
Nelson 4th of July picnic in the 70s, and got to help film lots of
actual famous rock bands, the ONLY one of which that left an impression
being Gatemouth Brown. (The movie was never even edited.) At that
festival I saw some of the most sordid sights of my young life, mostly
involving poebuckers, booze and 'ludes. I saved a passed-out poebucker
woman from drowning in the lake at that thing, and her boyfriend tried
to beat me up for interfering with her "trip." MAYBE I DID THE WRONG
THING.

THE most sordid things I saw in my young life up to then had been the
drug use and public poebucker group sex at the "Festival of Life" in
Louisiana in 1971. A STONE BUMMER! Like FIVE Altamonts at once. Most
memorable sight was an albino hippie with giantism and curvature of the
spine (I shit you not), shooting up right out in the open, lying on top
of a pick-up truck hood. TO PROVE TO POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS THAT IT WASN'T
BAD HEROIN. I had only seen one Fellini movie at that time, SATYRICON,
and this whole festival reminded me of it.

I don't know what got me started on that. Oh yeah. The Woodstock movie.
My, how times seem to have changed, and so quickly. But really I
suspect they didn't change hardly at all, it's just that the juicy
parts of the Woodstock footage ended up in the private collections of
the editing team.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB

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From: "nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> Excellent copies of Jimi Plays Monterey and the
> whole original Michael Wadleigh "Woodstock" are
> on alt.binaries.vcd.svcd in SVCD bin/cue format.

I've got it on VCD format. What I'm looking for
is Monteray Pop.

Come to think of it, I'm going to email you a long
text list of the movies I've got...

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

nu-monet v6.0 <nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:
> Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> >
> > Excellent copies of Jimi Plays Monterey and the
> > whole original Michael Wadleigh "Woodstock" are
> > on alt.binaries.vcd.svcd in SVCD bin/cue format.
>
>
> I've got it on VCD format. What I'm looking for
> is Monteray Pop.

Not in my collection... I just checked because I thought it was. Just
Hendrix at Monterey Pop. I wouldn't mind seeing that "Ball and Chain"
again. OHyeh.

The SOUND on this bootleg SVCD of Woodstock, on my garage sale Dolby
Surround system, is so vastly, unimaginably superior to any of the ways
that I've heard these same recordings before, that it's... surprising.

> Come to think of it, I'm going to email you a long
> text list of the movies I've got...

You mean the easily copied digital movies? Or every damn VHS? I am
imagining a few walls of VHS like I have, and the list alone would take
up another wall.

I haven't kept many of the Hollywood type movies that you can find at
any video shop, but I kept VHS of oh so many weird shorts and odd
specials and cartoons, and certain special pornos... all known filmed
Hendrix concerts except Albert Hall... all the Firesign Theater
films... Russ Meyer, tho that's mostly on Beta, damn it. A lot of stop
motion and computer animation, best and worst. A bunch of Gwar concerts
that I shot during the ill-fated showbiz shotgun marriage of Gwar and
"Bob."

And all the SubGenius devivals, book-doctor campouts, X-Day Drills,
Haunted Houses, beach parties, book signings, art shows, local TV news
reports, short subjects, Burning Man camps, honemoon home movies,
Amsterdam Field Trips and cock fights!

I also have The Merry Prankster's Bus Movie, part one anyway. And...
you know, I haven't thought of this in years... but... seriously, I
just now thought of this... before Ken Kesey died, and also before MP3s
were invented, Kesey and Babs sent me a big stack of CDs of a) Neal
Cassady blabbering -- hours of it and b) Acid Test recordings,
Prankster Wotan sessions, Kesey and pals muttering goofy sayings over
trippy music. All of it is "You had to of been there" kind of stuff.
The SubGenius iterations of the similar sorts of thing -- the old
Dokstoks -- look and sound slick and polished by comparison. The
Pranksters probably had much better acid, and Tom Wolfe writing about
them, but our tape recorders were much more portable. And we used
tripods. Also we had sync sound. Also, videotape has always been much
much cheaper than the 16mm film they were shooting back in them days.
But still, I wonder whether I have a responsibility to bootleg and
recirculate for free the home movies of our predecessors and
inspirators in fuckitallism. Maybe I should ask THEM.

I also have stacks of hand written rants by Kerry Thornley, that nobody
but me has ever seen. But it would take HOURS to scan this stuff. And
it's actually not all that rivetting to read.

I was thinking of next doing up the home movies of the SubGenius Art
Gallery Show at Psychedelic Solution Gallery in NYC, in the last
century. It was so long ago that I was fat and had short hair. LIES was
skinny and had black hair. Nenslo is also seen in this footage, looking
like Jesus.

I have to get 6X-Day video and the 3 hours of new animation off my
machine first though!! AIEEE! At least I got The Amino Acids and Man
out of there. Now they were NOISY.

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From: "nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
>
> nu-monet worted:
>
> > Come to think of it, I'm going to email you a long
> > text list of the movies I've got...
>
> You mean the easily copied digital movies? Or every
> damn VHS?

ALL VCD! I also have boucoup bulldada teevee on VCD.

Have a look at the email list, and if a bunch of them
float your boat, I'll post them to monter. Again,
the idea is to lure them in so they also download
what *you* post--with you getting movies *you* like
as an added bonus.

--
"President Bush is a patriot
and a good Christian."
-- Hellpope Huey

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

Well, here's my immediate posting plan:

ARISE in VCD mpeg (in 2 CDRs) is mostly on alt.binaries.vcd now.

I woulda crossposted it but this beloved newsreader of mine doesn't
make that easy. This should reach lots of non-SubGenii. Even if they
only download the sample, the sample is the SubG-MTV commercial.

I will put a NOTICE about that on Monter. Since ARISE was already on
Monter recently, albeit in DivX. I noticed a couple of people
requesting it in VCD though.

However I just turned the 20-minute 5X-Day edit, which is a pretty
funny and much more creatively arranged version of the 70-minute one,
into a good SVCD bin-cue. Looks like it came right out of the camera,
but with subtitles and zippy transitions.

I will post that SVCD to Monter tonight.

I made an SVCD of ARISE, but I need to redo it someday -- because of
the ragtag nature of it, some shots show a strange ragged "tearing" at
the very bottom of the screen in SVCD. (Tho not on DVD!). To make a
really good SVCD I have to re-render the whole film with a little tiny
black border at top and bottom, like a mini-letterbox.

And I'm not so sure I want to give away a copy of ARISE that really IS
DVD quality... in fact maybe I'll let the freebies remain at the DivX
and VCD level (I've also made leeetle crunched 150 mb Quicktime MOV
version and MPEG 4 versions!). If somebody wants to bootleg the DVD
there's nothing I can do about that but no point in shooting BOTH my
feet ALL the WAY off.

After 5X-Day I have Shorties, Stangfilms and As They See "Bob," which
all COULD be done as one-piece features OR uploaded in their various
modular components. Which would YOU prefer?

At some point before 7XDay I also GOTTA finish editing the two or three
MORE full length videos that are awaiting me inside "FileMule 120." The
animation reels is what I'm most eager to do.

Got a day job today though, and really I should spend the next 5 weeks
on SubSITE replenishment.

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From: Jarto <frickingfrick@frick.com>

I did a complete recheck of all the groups that exist on Usenet
(according to Forte Agent), and there is no such group as
alt.binaries.monter-movies, and worse still, it says there is no
headers in alt.binaries.svcd. My newsserver probably don't
recognize the groups.

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From: "nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

If you can, do a survey of the "multimedia" groups
using 'find' in Agent; if you only have a few, and
they only have a few postings in them you are boned.

If you have a high speed connection, you can send a
note to your ISP asking them to include monter,
though it will take a while even if they try to
comply.

Worse case scenario, you might either get a "pay"
USENET service--I hear such things exist--or you
can piggyback either at "work", or find a friend
with high speed and tell him of the miracle of
USENET, hoping *his* ISP picks up those groups,
*and* that he can download stuff for you, he not
using his computer at night.

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From: "jim" <tenebras@lvcm.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
> nu-monet v6.0 <nothing@succeeds.com> wrote:
> > Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> And all the SubGenius devivals, book-doctor campouts, X-Day Drills,
> Haunted Houses, beach parties, book signings, art shows, local TV news
> reports, short subjects, Burning Man camps, honemoon home movies,
> Amsterdam Field Trips and cock fights!

Did you by chance get any of the BBC footage from your Santa Cruz visit at
the Resort? That was much fun, even if I caught a cold by letting people
play my didgeridoo.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

!!! That was 800 years ago!!

I never saw that special and it's probably just as well... I could tell
by the way they handled the "interview" part that this one was pure
fluff for some British version of "America's Wackiest Wackos" or
whatnot. I would not even WANT to see what those particular people did
with the footage, that's how badly they appeared to be handling it.

I did get a free trip to San Francisco out of it and I got to meet the
nice geeks of The Resort. I imagine most of those kids went on to
become fabulously wealthy when the dot-com boom hit, and then
fabulously jobless after the crash. Is anybody still at The Resort, I
wonder?

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From: "jim" <tenebras@lvcm.com>

Most of the ones you met have moved on.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

Rev. Ivan Stang <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
> Excellent copies of Jimi Plays Monterey and the whole original Michael
> Wadleigh "Woodstock" are on alt.binaries.vcd.svcd in SVCD bin/cue
> format. "Woodstock" comprises 5 CDRs.

We looked at the first hour and a half of Woodstaock last night. Holy
shit, it's a "Director's Cut!" There's a bunch of stuff that was NOT in
the original movie. I was flabbergasted when suddenly the legendary
Canned Heat performance that was cut from the theatrical release was
right there in front of me!

And HOLY SHIT!! It's INCREDIBLE! I cannot BELIEVE they cut this from
the movie and KEPT the sappy Joan Baez "Joe Hill" crap that follows it.
The Canned Heat segment is right up there with the famous Santana and
Sly and the Family Stone sequences for sheer transmitted energy. Canned
Heat would have been HUGE instead of dead had this sequence been kept.

The filming of it... well... you know I recently worked on some footage
I shot of The Amino Acids in Detroit, and for years I've been shooting
ESO etc. up real close. (I'm like Jane Goodall -- I spend a year
getting the creatures used to me and the camera before I go in and
actually start filming.) When it's most fun is when you're familiar
with the song so you know when to swing from the singer to the drummer
to the bass player etc. And if it's an exciting song you do these
camera moves real fast and extreme.

Watching the onstage musician-filming in Woodstock, I kept seeing
EXACTLY the SAME SHOT COMPOSITIONS and camera moves and angles that
I've been doing EVER SINCE I FIRST SAW THE WOODSTOCK MOVIE.

It sunk in -- I might as well be nothing but a MOTION-CAPTURE preset
left over from the Woodstock cameraman. You could take that same motion
capture file and plug it into ANY camera robot in the middle of ANY
rock band stage, and chances are you'd get a pretty good one-camera
record of the songs.

Canned Heat. I had forgotten. Only FAT white guys can be THAT funky. ZZ
Top certainly owes them an explanation.

The other thing that startled Wei and I, watching the opening scenes of
the farmland campground and the small city of hippies frolicking, was
that it all looked JUST like my Starwood home movies. FRIGHTENINGLY
similar. The NY farmland looks the same. The Yankee townsfolk talk the
same. And the fucking HIPPIES, LOOK THE SAME! The CLOTHES are the SAME.
The GYRATING ACID DANCES are THE SAME. The Kundalini lectures have NOT
CHANGED.

Anybody who sappily pines for those halycon days of Woodtsock and peace
and love and patchoulie and incense and peppermints, it has been
PRESERVED PERFECTLY as if in LIVING AMBER at the Starwood Festival that
follows X-Day at Brushwood. I didn't realize HOW well preserved until I
saw Woodstock again. That Woodstock hippie shit goes on ALL SUMMER LONG
at Brushwood.

X-Day Drills do NOT look like Woodstock, They look more like the first
day of Woodstock crossed with the first day of Burning Man crossed with
a Spelling Bee Championship and The Special Olympics.

The Who did all of "Tommy" at Woodstock (there's a bootleg of the whole
show) and in the filmed excerpts, one sees how much of a debt so many
rock guitarists owe Pete Townsend just in terms of classic Guitar Poses
and Postures alone. JUST in Classic Rock Guitar Studly Stances. Not
even MENTIONING the actual sonic techniques. Roger Daltry's posturing,
on the other hand, in the same sequences, makes you want to STRANGLE
him. It made me sincerely wish that it was, hell, TOM JONES instead of
Roger Daltry singing Tommy. Daltry does NOT hold up well, but Townsend
is recognizably one of those Mothersbaugh-like funny looking genius
composers who made a REAL contribution.

The ShaNaNa sequence... if I remember correctly, there was NO 50s
nostalgia shit happening before everyone saw ShaNaNa at Woodstock and
laughed their asses off at that retro shit. Presaged and no doubt
accelrated the trend that started with "Happy Days" and snowballed
into, well, what we have now.

Likewise, Joe Cocker's liberation of SPAZZ DANCING cannot go
uncredited. It took me a minute to remember that this was originally a
song made famous by The BEatles, not Joe Cocker. Yet Cocker's is the
one everyone remembers. His air-guitar conniptions were strange and
different there. Now half the guys at in the audience do that during
guitar solos. And ALL punk spazz-dancers owe that tortured alcoholic
Brit. Joe Cocker paved the way...

Yah, I didn't realize how much from that movie has been COPPED since
1970 by the populace, myself included.

Made me want to dig out my own concert epic documentary, "RING THUNDER
WACIPI DAYS." An hour long TV program filmed at a very traditional
outdoor weekend Pow Wow on Rosebud Reservation in 1975. Starring the
Pine Ridge Singers and some of the top Fancy Dancers of the Dakotas.
Includes such pow wow staples as the Feed, the Give-Away, the Child
Ear-Piercing, the Freeing of the Pick-Ups from the Mud, etc. Not widely
seen outside of South Dakota PBS in 1976. Also not very exciting. I
felt too weird about being the White Boy with the Camera to really get
in there and be nosy like a cameraman needs to.

Hmm, I appear to be postponing that day job.

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From: Jarto <frickingfrick@frick.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
>Rev. Ivan Stang <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
>
>> Excellent copies of Jimi Plays Monterey and the whole original Michael
>> Wadleigh "Woodstock" are on alt.binaries.vcd.svcd in SVCD bin/cue
>> format. "Woodstock" comprises 5 CDRs.
>>
>We looked at the first hour and a half of Woodstaock last night. Holy
>shit, it's a "Director's Cut!" There's a bunch of stuff that was NOT in
>the original movie. I was flabbergasted when suddenly the legendary
>Canned Heat performance that was cut from the theatrical release was
>right there in front of me!
>
>And HOLY SHIT!! It's INCREDIBLE! I cannot BELIEVE they cut this from
>the movie and KEPT the sappy Joan Baez "Joe Hill" crap that follows it.
>The Canned Heat segment is right up there with the famous Santana and
>Sly and the Family Stone sequences for sheer transmitted energy. Canned
>Heat would have been HUGE instead of dead had this sequence been kept.
>
>The filming of it... well... you know I recently worked on some footage
>I shot of The Amino Acids in Detroit, and for years I've been shooting
>ESO etc. up real close. (I'm like Jane Goodall -- I spend a year
>getting the creatures used to me and the camera before I go in and
>actually start filming.) When it's most fun is when you're familiar
>with the song so you know when to swing from the singer to the drummer
>to the bass player etc. And if it's an exciting song you do these
>camera moves real fast and extreme.
>
>Watching the onstage musician-filming in Woodstock, I kept seeing
>EXACTLY the SAME SHOT COMPOSITIONS and camera moves and angles that
>I've been doing EVER SINCE I FIRST SAW THE WOODSTOCK MOVIE.
>
>It sunk in -- I might as well be nothing but a MOTION-CAPTURE preset
>left over from the Woodstock cameraman. You could take that same motion
>capture file and plug it into ANY camera robot in the middle of ANY
>rock band stage, and chances are you'd get a pretty good one-camera
>record of the songs.
>
>Canned Heat. I had forgotten. Only FAT white guys can be THAT funky. ZZ
>Top certainly owes them an explanation.
>
>The other thing that startled Wei and I, watching the opening scenes of
>the farmland campground and the small city of hippies frolicking, was
>that it all looked JUST like my Starwood home movies. FRIGHTENINGLY
>similar. The NY farmland looks the same. The Yankee townsfolk talk the
>same. And the fucking HIPPIES, LOOK THE SAME! The CLOTHES are the SAME.
>The GYRATING ACID DANCES are THE SAME. The Kundalini lectures have NOT
>CHANGED.
>
>Anybody who sappily pines for those halycon days of Woodtsock and peace
>and love and patchoulie and incense and peppermints, it has been
>PRESERVED PERFECTLY as if in LIVING AMBER at the Starwood Festival that
>follows X-Day at Brushwood. I didn't realize HOW well preserved until I
>saw Woodstock again. That Woodstock hippie shit goes on ALL SUMMER LONG
>at Brushwood.
>
>X-Day Drills do NOT look like Woodstock, They look more like the first
>day of Woodstock crossed with the first day of Burning Man crossed with
>a Spelling Bee Championship and The Special Olympics.
>
>The Who did all of "Tommy" at Woodstock (there's a bootleg of the whole
>show) and in the filmed excerpts, one sees how much of a debt so many
>rock guitarists owe Pete Townsend just in terms of classic Guitar Poses
>and Postures alone. JUST in Classic Rock Guitar Studly Stances. Not
>even MENTIONING the actual sonic techniques. Roger Daltry's posturing,
>on the other hand, in the same sequences, makes you want to STRANGLE
>him. It made me sincerely wish that it was, hell, TOM JONES instead of
>Roger Daltry singing Tommy. Daltry does NOT hold up well, but Townsend
>is recognizably one of those Mothersbaugh-like funny looking genius
>composers who made a REAL contribution.

Yup. Well put that, he (Townshend) was also arguably one of the
first guitarist to use distortion not just to get attention, like
the Beatles did on "I Feel Fine", but play it as an instrument in
it's own right.

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
>The Who did all of "Tommy" at Woodstock (there's a bootleg of the whole
>show) and in the filmed excerpts, one sees how much of a debt so many
>rock guitarists owe Pete Townsend just in terms of classic Guitar Poses
>and Postures alone. JUST in Classic Rock Guitar Studly Stances. Not
>even MENTIONING the actual sonic techniques. Roger Daltry's posturing,
>on the other hand, in the same sequences, makes you want to STRANGLE
>him. It made me sincerely wish that it was, hell, TOM JONES instead of
>Roger Daltry singing Tommy. Daltry does NOT hold up well, but Townsend
>is recognizably one of those Mothersbaugh-like funny looking genius
>composers who made a REAL contribution.

I dunno about Woodstock, it never grabbed me, but if you want to see
IMO some very good rock performances, go get "The Rolling Stones Rock
and Roll Circus". And DON'T watch it, not all of it, because taken as
a whole it's addle-nogginned 60's shit ala Magical Mystery Tour, but
DO grab your remote control and skip to:

00:07:20 A Quick One The Who
00:25:18 Yer Blues John Lennon, Eric Clapton, Keith
Richards, Mitch Mitchell
00:41:12 No Expectations The Rolling Stones
00:49:49 Sympathy for the Devil The Rolling Stones

and then for honorable mention:

00:03:41 Song for Jeffrey Jethro Tull
00:20:16 Something Better Marianne Faithful
00:34:44 Jumpin' Jack Flash The Rolling Stones
00:45:22 You Can't Always Get What You Want The Rolling
Stones
00:58:46 Salt of the Earth The Rolling Stones

I don't know if that's your kind of taste, it captures a part of the
60's I liked though. Jagger even stays close to in tune. Magic in
the air.

Turn it way way up.

--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"Because you can't cotton to evil. No sir. You have to smack evil on
the nose with the rolled-up newspaper of justice and say, 'Bad evil.
Bad, BAD evil.'"
- The Tick

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>

FAG ALERT

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

Selfs Layer <SelfsLayer@DELEATMEreflectionsdivide.com> wrote:

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> quipped and warbled:
>
> >I also have stacks of hand written rants by Kerry Thornley, that nobody
> >but me has ever seen. But it would take HOURS to scan this stuff. And
> >it's actually not all that rivetting to read.
>
> Ooooo oooOOOOoo OOooOOOOO!!
>
> <points to Archduke Chocola-stuffed noise-hole>
>
> Anyway, I'm sure the Discordian crowd (and i count myselfs among their
> rank pit-infested moritals) would appreciate the effort. When one of
> my college buddies showed me the SubSITE one late evening, I was
> vaguely annoyed at the seeming rip-off of Discordianism, and this
> attitude continued for a while until I found out that Kerry Thornley
> not only was involved in, but actually *condoned* and *contributed* to
> the SubEfforts of our all-dumberful Goo-roo! And then I was like "Okay
> then, dude, why not man?" and sent my $30.

I don't know about J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, but *I* didn't even know the
Principia was a real text, much less see a copy, until 1982 or
thereabouts when somebody showed me a xerox of it. My immediate
reaction was, "OH NO, people are gonna think we ripped them off!" When
actually we were ripping off every cheesy paperback and hardbound kook
bible we'd ever found at a garage sale. BUT without the butt-kick
provided by Wilson and Shea's ILLUMINATUS trilogy, *I* probably would
not be working on "Bob's" Church of the SubGenius. I'd be a rich
special effects department supervisor in Hollywood. Or dead.

Later on I realized that Wilson/Shea had been part of this little
circle of buddies who had added on to Greg Hill's Principia and that we
probably DID absord gimmicks that started with Hill. This is all old
history which, like so many of my one-liners, has been stated before.

It's interesting that when Greg Hill saw how close to seriously people
were taking it, he dropped out of the whole thing. I know EXACTLY how
he feels, especially during months like this one. BUT, for every
dogma-quoting ninny and Mal-Aligned Normal that sends us $30, there's a
COOL RIGHTEOUS TRUE SUBGENIUS BROTHER or SISTER who ALSO sends their
$30. Or never does, but just makes great art or text or whatnot. Or
doesn't even do any of that but just ISN'T AN ASSHOLE. It's that OTHER
half -- the nice and beloved customers, and the loveable if eccentric
actual arteests and hoarders of bulldada, that keep me clinging to the
tarbaby of "Bob," sucking tar with all my might.

As far as the ties to Illuminatus go, Wilson and I have been scratching
each others' backs for many years. He has helped us out many times and
we have always treated him as a living god (and good froppin' buddy).
Robert Shea, like me, married a member of A.C.E. and I was just getting
to know him a little when he suddenly died.

> If you send the stacks of paper to France, I'll be happy to run off a
> few bobzillian copies! <cheapass imitation of drummer roll deleted to
> protect the doubtful-at-heart (and slim of wallet)>
>
> But busyness is close to Bobliness, as they say, so if you're not
> busy, get it!

Ha ha.

The trick is I need to FIND the Thornley file(s). They're in the
"future books and old Stark Fists" storage room. (It really is a whole
room.) I've had my nose buried in electronic media since 1994 when we
finished RevX, and the paper media has been in boxes waiting. For...
something.

First I have to finish my day job today and get OH JUST A SMATTERING of
work done on SubSITE... for about 2 months... and the taxes and those
new animations' titles... and the 6XDay video and the Timeline and the
Hours of Slack. BUT, as soon as I can, I'll start sorting through these
boxes for not only the Thornley stuff, which I'll be happy to xerox and
send you copies of, if you'd decifer his scrawls and type some of it,
so we can finally display it, but also Four Fisted Tales of "Bob," the
Stark First of Removal Reprints Book, Bummers and various other text
projects that fell into 10 years of suspended animation, upon the
moment of Philo plugging a modem into my computer, dialing up America
Online ON MY COMPUTER and showing me, see, here's the Internet.

Luckily since we generally concentrated on timeless verities, like
horniness and frustration, instead of current events like Jimmy Carter
hitting that swimming rabbit with a paddle, a lot of this material
might still make a smidgen of sense to Modern Man.

I had expected to spend 2 weeks exploring this new "Internet thing" and
it turned into a decade of hard core major league geekery. Just when I
got the "text website" thing understood, suddenly we were able to
stream audio, and then by gobbs now it's the videos.

I was raising children during the time so it may have SEEMED to be
happening faster to me than it did to others.

> (busy, that is)
>
> (and no, that's not pressure, it's a pun on sexual Miss Demeanors)
>
> (or whatever)
>
> (anyway screw it)
>
> (and thanks for ARISE!)

Reserve some for Cordt Holland, who did months of badfilm culling, and
DK Jones, who also did major ass-busting and was paid in copies, and
Hal Robins, whose dictions lens the only veneer of class. And I guess
some small tip of the hat is due to Georges Melies, the Lumiere Bros.
and all other film makers since them who unwittingly contributed shots
to our epic.

Email me your A-dress and I'll print that out and use the piece of
paper to "dowse" my way to the right set of boxes, as a reminder of
what to do with the Thornley stuff once I separate it from the other
SubChaff.

I have lots of unpublished writings by other dead guys if you're
interested. All manner of dead guys. From the obscure like Gerry Reith
to the famous like Ken Kesey.

In my garage, the Mouse and Skunk Hotel, are boxes containing 75% of
the undergound "zines" of the early 80s. I've been wondering if there
are "zine museums" that would want to take this stuff off my hands
before it rots. I'm talking about stuff like Factsheet 5 before it was
in stores and Mondo 2000 when it was an offset zine called Reality
Hackers, that sort of thing. REALLY old school. "MAIL ART." Boxes and
boxes of "MAIL ART" by folks now dead, or employed.

Maybe one of these days I should check out that "E-Bay" thing that all
my friends keep telling me to use, but I'm actually kind of afraid of
what will happen. I'd rather keep these crumbling treasures "in-house",
in SubGenius hands, if I can. Doesn't have to be MY hands though. I'm
trying to get Youth to take on as much Church as I can possibly entrust
it with. Have been since the beginning, but oddly enough, the SubGenii
are not actually very good at following orders. In fact -- sometimes
one would almost think they weren't even LISTENING for orders, or
opportunities, from on-high. Just doing their own god damn thing. The
nerve. Rewardians all, I tell ya.

Must... stop... postponing... dayjob and .... bottomless plunge into
Adobe Go Live and Photoshop.

I have a YEAR of a.b.s. art to put in the art mines! TEN NEW CD, CD-R
or DVD releases to package and promo! Holy fuckadumdum dilly.

One thing at a time. Or two. No more than two things at a time. Cd
Burning doesn't count as a thing.

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
>without the butt-kick
>provided by Wilson and Shea's ILLUMINATUS trilogy, *I* probably would
>not be working on "Bob's" Church of the SubGenius. I'd be a rich
>special effects department supervisor in Hollywood. Or dead.

Or BOTH. ZOMBIE STANG, coming to a theatre near you!

--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
IT'S THE DARK ANGEL OF MACARONI! COMING TO GET ME! COMING TO
FEED ME MACARONI!

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From: "nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

Joe Cosby wrote:
> ZOMBIE STANG, coming to a theatre near you!

By now, you would think that somebody would have
written a decent Zombie filter for Photoshop.
Not just a lizard skin, but a complete decay
series, maybe slidebar adjustable, that would
turn healthy, living tissue all the way down to
black grease with bones protruding from it.

Dang, what that would do for a family photo album.

--
Herring communicate with each other
via a high-pitched, "raspberry"-like
sound emitted from their anuses.
These noises are not produced by
digestive gases.
-- from 'The New Scientist'

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> Excellent copies of Jimi Plays Monterey and the whole original Michael
> Wadleigh "Woodstock" are on alt.binaries.vcd.svcd in SVCD bin/cue
> format. "Woodstock" comprises 5 CDRs.

The only thing worth watching in that whole pathetic mess is SHA NA NA.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote:
> "Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> >
> > Excellent copies of Jimi Plays Monterey and the whole original Michael
> > Wadleigh "Woodstock" are on alt.binaries.vcd.svcd in SVCD bin/cue
> > format. "Woodstock" comprises 5 CDRs.
> >
> The only thing worth watching in that whole pathetic mess is SHA NA NA.

If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one! Jeez!

Just for that rude comment about charming old hippie movies, I won't
mail you my 7-hour devival and X-Day Drill rock band videos, NOR my
Burning Man home movies! So there! I hope you're stricken to the quick,
you mean, mean man you.

YOU probably think you have something more ENTERTAINING to watch!
Carefully made feature films, and animations and the like. Well HARUMPH
to you, sirrah! HARRUMPH AGAIN!

LET ME HAVE MY SECOND CHILDHOOD! Or third, fourth, whatever, hard to
remember nowadays.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

I was wondering this afternoon, when I should have been doing something
else, about your singing the praises of that godawful show, Space
1999... and then your derisive comment about these two innocently
slanted documentaries suddenly fell into perspective for me.

Sometimes it takes a while for the full Nensletitude of something to
sink in, so alien is Nensletic Consciousness to standard "normal"
consciousness, or, for that matter, even to the disturbed subconscious
of a dreaming madman.

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>

Hey man, rock and roll is here to stay. I'll dig it to the end.

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