Proof that angels and demons exist

From: phy <phy00x@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, Jul 3, 2004

A newly found fundie has proven this fact to me without a doubt. There are
pictures and voices in the air all around us that we cannot see. All we
need is a tv or radio to prove this. Since the air all around us is full of
things we cant see, and you can't see angels or demons, they are in the air
all around us. Flawless Victory.

-phy

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From: Cardinal Vertigo <vertigo@alexandria.cc>

I once had a fundie try to explain to me that dark matter is the
sprirtual realm where angels and demons can be found. He got a little
offended when I couldn't stop laughing.

--
"But someone said, 'You're the embodiment of male perfection,' and I
said, 'No I'm not, I'm hung like a hamster.'""
- Brad Pitt

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From: phy <phy00x@yahoo.com>

That is probably the best and most appropriate response.

-phy

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From: Cardinal Vertigo <vertigo@alexandria.cc>

It's nice when the best and most appropriate response comes naturally.
It's such a rare occurrence.

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From: Marc Goodman <marc.goodman@comcast.net>

phy wrote:
> A newly found fundie has proven this fact to me without a doubt. There are
> pictures and voices in the air all around us that we cannot see. All we
> need is a tv or radio to prove this. Since the air all around us is full of
> things we cant see, and you can't see angels or demons, they are in the air
> all around us. Flawless Victory.

There is salt disolved in my glass of water. All we need is our taste
buds to prove this. Since my glass of water is full of salt we cannot
see, and since we can't see the Queen of England without an appointment,
she is in my glass of water.

Mmmm, Elizabethy.

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From: "nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

Since they aren't arguing rationally, you can't
really dispute them, but what you *can* do is co-opt
their theory, and take it places where they haven't
gone, and probably don't want to go.

In this case, start by *agreeing* with them, but
then suggest that angels and demons aren't *quite*
as invisible as all that, just that people's minds
can't quite grab hold of them.

In other words, people can only pay attention to
things and other people. They ignore angels and
demons. If an angel walked up to you, it would be
ignored, rationalized away, and quickly forgotten,
and you mind would tell you that it was unimportant.

If you were at a football game, looking at the
grandstands, you might see an angel or a demon there
looking much like a person, but only as *part of the
crowd*. You couldn't focus on them and say to
yourself "That's a person." Your mind would skip
over them.

The last problem is that it takes a great deal of
"strength" and "energy" to see an angel or a demon,
and that most people are so debilitated by "sin"
and "evil living", that they just can't withstand
the sight, or have enough energy left over to
remember what they saw.

So, the bottom line is that only when a person is
so exhausted their mind can't keep up its defenses,
*or*, when they are so strong and have practiced a
long time in trying to see angels and demons, will
a person *actually* see them. Which is why only
these two groups of people ever really see angels
and demons.

Ain't bullshit fun?

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From: Frere Jean Bleu <FrJBleu@ifrance.com>

It's TRUE. I read it on the internet and a DOWNLOAD of the screams are
available in mp3 format.

http://amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm

These details are reportedly from the translation of an article in a
Finnish newspaper named 'Ammennusatia'.

A geological group who drilled a hole about 14.4 kilometers deep in
the crust of the earth are saying that they heard human screams.
Screams have been heard from the condemned souls from earth's deepest
hole. Terrified scientists are afraid they have let loose the evil
powers of hell up to the earth's surface.

'The information we are gathering is so surprising, that we are
sincerely afraid of what we might find down there,' stated Dr Azzacov,
the manager of the project in remote Siberia.

'The second surprise was the high temperature they discovered in
the earth's center. 'The calculations indicate the given temperature
was about 1,100 degrees Celsius, or over 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit,'
Azzacov pointed out. 'This is far more then we expected. It seems
almost like an inferno of fire is brutally going on in the center of
the earth.

'The last discovery was nevertheless the most shocking to our ears,
so much so that the scientists are afraid to continue the project. We
tried to listen to the earth's movements at certain intervals with
supersensitive microphones, which were let down through the hole. What
we heard turned those logically thinking scientists into a trembling
ruins. It was a sometimes a weak, but high pitched sound which we
thought to be coming from our own equipment,' explained Dr Azzacov.

Etc etc

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>

Frere Jean Bleu wrote:
> It's TRUE. I read it on the internet and a DOWNLOAD of the screams are
> available in mp3 format.
>
> http://amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm
>
> These details are reportedly from the translation of an article in a
> Finnish newspaper named 'Ammennusatia'.

A search for the word "Ammennusatia" indicates that it exists only where
this story is told, and it appears to be a misspelling of an actual
finnish word "ammennusastia." I recall having heard this story in about
1974, from a classmate at the Baptist school which I then attended.
Brunvand attempts to tie it to an actual Siberian drilling project
reported in Scientific American in 1984.

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From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

Frere Jean Bleu <FrJBleu@ifrance.com> wrote:
>It's TRUE. I read it on the internet and a DOWNLOAD of the screams are
>available in mp3 format.
>
>http://amightywind.com/hell/aboutsounds.htm

" 'What really unnerved the Soviets, apart from the voice recordings,
was the appearance that same night of a fountainhead of luminous gas
shooting up from the drill site, and out of the midst of this
incandescent cloud pillar a brilliant being with bat wings revealed
itself with the words (in Russian): 'I have conquered,' emblazoned
against the dark Siberian sky."

Well geez, ya definitely want to get your drilling equipment looked at
when it starts doing that.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"Birds are the eyes of God." -- Shaman Leo

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From: Cardinal Direction <vertigo@alexandria.cc>

I bet it happens to Halliburton all the time.

--
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life
exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has
tried to contact us."
- Calvin, in Bill Watterson's "Calvin and Hobbes"

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>

Consequently, anything we can imagine may be said to be equally
existent, so long as we imagine it to be invisible. Our inability to
perceive it is proof of its existence.

What type of device analogous to a radio or television would one need to
view demons and angels?

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From: Frere Jean Bleu <FrJBleu@ifrance.com>

nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote:
>What type of device analogous to a radio or television would one need to
>view demons and angels?

Joseph Smith had magic glasses. Frank Harris wrote a story which was
published in Aleister Crowley'a magazine AA, although they were used
to expose more terrestial angels and devils.

http://www.eldritchpress.org/harris/magicglasses.htm

You can pick them up in old mail order sections of DC comics.

To hear angels you need to climb a mountain after leading some whining
Hebrews on a really dumb trek across a desert.

Fr J B

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From: hec@hectorplasmic.com (Hector Plasmic)

nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote:
> Consequently, anything we can imagine may be said to be equally
> existent, so long as we imagine it to be invisible. Our inability to
> perceive it is proof of its existence.

Moreover, what is perceived is in actuality ephemeral and of little
importance -- perhaps so little importance that it may be said not to
exist in any meaningful sense.

> What type of device analogous to a radio or television would one need to
> view demons and angels?

A properly functioning gullibility engine.

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From: Sean C <redhawk@burnspammersalive.hvc.rr.com>

nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote:
> What type of device analogous to a radio or television would one need to
> view demons and angels?

Not a machine, but fairy dust. Sprinkle fairy dust liberally in your
room, and it will stick to any demons or angels, revealing their
presence.

Sean C

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From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

Sean C wrote:
> Sprinkle fairy dust liberally in your room, and
> it will stick to any demons or angels, revealing
> their presence.

Fairy dust is mostly composed of fulminate of mercury.

After you spread it, you should do your fairy dance
on it, to attract the fairies.

--
The truth will hurt a lot more than the rash!

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From: Vince Barmann <vbarIONmann@earthlink.net>

Silly string works too.

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>

I was just thinking yesterday that the argument demonstrating the
reality of angels and demons, which began this thread, is just as
infallible a proof of, say, fairies, brownies and leprechauns. One
wonders if religionists deny their existence or merely classify them as
types of demons. Something drinks that bowl of milk on the doorstep
every night - even angels don't do that.

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From: phy <phy00x@yahoo.com>

Another dude once told me if it wasn't from god, it was from the devil. I
saw a bumper sticker that said "If it ain't King James, It aint the Bible".
People are weird.

-phy

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From: Cardinal Vertigo <vertigo@alexandria.cc>

Oh, there's a few of those "KJV" = "infallible Textus Receptus" people
around where I live. They're fun to mess with. "What about people who
don't speak English?" etc.

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From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

like Jesus.

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>

phy wrote:
> Another dude once told me if it wasn't from god, it was from the devil. I
> saw a bumper sticker that said "If it ain't King James, It aint the Bible".
> People are weird.

I have seen numerous religionist claims that UFOs and "aliens" are also
demons. On the other hand, I saw a bumper sticker that said "Don't
believe everything you think." People are weird, but some of them are
good weird.

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From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

name something that -no- religionist has ever claimed was a demon.

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From: "kevbob" <kevbob@ecsis.net>

puppies!!!

puppies aren't demons!!

are they?

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>

Not yet.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0077429/

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From: "kevbob" <kevbob@ecsis.net>

oh my goodness i think i might cry.

i remember, now that you've imdb-jogged my memory, that i
saw that movie when i was, um, 8 or 9? on the teevee.

or, rather, i saw parts of it and it scared me very much.

so i stopped watching it.

i used to ride my bicycle a lot back in those days, and i
know that many a time there was that i had to pedal quite
fast because i was sure that a red eyed something was
chasing after me.

i wonder whether i was afraid of the dog, per se, or of the
movie as a whole. that "style" of "70s" movie always makes
me scared. something about the synthy soundtrack and bad
film and color and whatnot. i vaguely remember that the guy
had to go over some chain-fence, and i was thinking "why are
you going over the fence!? you can hear the music, can't you
tell that something is going to get you!? don't do it
stupid!".

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From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

"kevbob" <kevbob@ecsis.net> wrote:
>puppies!!!
>
>puppies aren't demons!!
>
>are they?

http://www.microscheist.net/clipart/images/puppy.jpg

'course not.

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From: "kevbob" <kevbob@ecsis.net>

well,

you'd go blind too if you'd just eaten a hobo in one sitting
and were just a little puppy.

poor thing, his owners should take more responsibility, and
have only let him have some of the hobo.

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From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

kevbob wrote:
> puppies!!!
>
> puppies aren't demons!!
>
> are they?

Yes they are. They just have better PR
than kitties.

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From: "kevbob" <kevbob@ecsis.net>

kitties!!! yay!!!!

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

Fredric L. Rice <REMOVEFRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote:
> Sit down, put down the joint, and let me explain a little something
> about biology, son. You see, puppies _are_ dogs, your Pinkness.

Fred, watching a person like you slinging about the term "Pinkness" to
insult *others* is fucking hilarious, albeit in a truly pitiful way.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote:
> What type of device analogous to a radio or television would one need to
> view demons and angels?

According to UFO Magazine and other authorities, a cheap digital still
camera will catch images of guardian angels and spirit beings, who
appear as the globes of light that happen to look exactly like
dust-motes close to the lens in a flash picture. These angelic flying
globes of light are invisible to the eye. I used to have many
photographs proving that various bands and preachers who perform at our
X-Day outdoor stage are surrounded by angels, but I erased the photos
thinking they were merely bad pictures, ruined by airborn dust caught
in the flash.

Think how much I've missed out on over the years, by being so mired in
the Earth-plane.

Modern digital video cameras on the other hand can catch ONE-FRAME
GLIMPSES of rod-shaped alien visitors (or astral 'skeeters) called
"RODS." While these RODS strangely (COINCIDENTALLY?!?!?!?) resemble the
video artifacts so familiar to video editors, an attuned person can
distinguish easily between the elusive but intelligent Rod Beings and
dumb old boring videotape glitches.

Or so I read on the Internet.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB

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From: "Rev. LoveJoy" seventhsqueal@slowontheuptake.edu

So called light flares are really demons and angels with bad gas. When
they've had a spiritual burito it can give them these embarasing givaway
traces to their existance. Yahweh of course doesn't get light flares but can
sometimes cause the more noticable solar flares.

MrHdMrs. AKA Rev. LoveJoy

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From: Joe Cosby

Obviously, your gaurdian angel lives INSIDE the camera.

When you take the film out, be sure and leave little bits of cotton
candy inside the camera. Angels love cotton candy. Plus it could be
embarrassing and traumatic to open your camera after not using it for
a couple years and have a dead gaurdian angel fall out.

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