Why do western women deface their bodies?

From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>

Date: Fri, Jun 4, 2004 4:45 PM

I'm flipping channels the other day, and I happen across this MTV
interview with that dumbass chick with the puffy face from that third
rate band who's name I can't be bothered to look up. She's covered in
tattoos, all of them ugly, which make her look like she's been rolling
around on a giant ink blotter.

Then just yesterday I see this good looking wench in a bus stop, nice
face, good cleavage, but then I notice she's got these Chinese
characters tattooed on her right tit. Fucking Chinese characters!
Does she speak Chinese? Does she even know what they mean?

Then there's this chick I know who's got this green stuff all over her
arms that's supposed to be creeping vines or something. Yeeech. Oh
yeah, and she's got a ring through her nose, in case she breaks down
and needs a tow, I guess. I suppose she's got one in her pussy as
well.... I didn't ask about that. Don't even go there, girlfriend.

Ok, somebody's going to call me on this - that's obvious - so I'll just
say, like, I know already, OK? I've heard all the arguments.
Tradition, "reclaiming" your body, asserting your identity, rite of
passage, enhancing your sexuality etc etc. ad nauseum, to all of which
I say, BULLSHIT!

Let me say that again, in case it didn't register the first time:

BULLSHIT!!!!!

It's just mutilation. Plain and simple. Maybe for Tahitian warriors
it was a rite of passage, but for everyone else it's just a stupid
affectation. Pathetic wannabee joiner stuff. About as PINK as you can
get.

Funny how times change. When I grew up, a tattoo was a mark of
criminality. I guess it still is, going by the number of gangbangers
who are getting them removed. It sure didn't help you get a job back
then, and it certainly didn't get you laid.

I don't expect guys to ditch the practice - guys are stupid anyway, and
I'm not gay, so who cares. But Jesuz F. Christ in a Humvee, why do I
have to deal with the god-awful dread of getting a girl out of her
clothes, only to have to fake admiration for some secret tattoo of a
mythical creature of profound spiritual significance just to get into
her fucking panties? (and then God only knows what I'll find once I'm
actually there)

Look. There is nothing on earth more beautiful than the site of an
unblemished, unmodified female body in all it's naked splendor. I see
this now and again at the beach where we hang out. It's a rare sight
amongst the various freaks and circus performers (many of whom are
little more than walking scrap metal yards), but I still see it from
time to time, and when I do, my heart soars like an eagle! There are
trees on our stretch of the beach, and along with my beautiful wife,
who's also NOT tatooed, I get to share the SHADE with the occasional
unblemished, pale-girl who's got more sense in her left toe than the
rest of those wrinkled crones have in their entire pathetic mutilated
bodies.

Mark my words children, you'll pay up big time to have those tattoos
removed in a few years when they're no longer trendy and hip. Hey,
there's another rite of passage to look forward to! The pain of laser
removal as you finally pass from adolescence into the adult world.

Now just try and tear me a new asshole. Bring it on! Find out how
much polar bears care for your pathetic, worthless opinions!

Bwwwaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS: nose studs are stupid too. Do you think you'd look good in a
sari? Trust me, nose studs and sari's only work for Indian women.
(who are all laughing at you, BTW. I know, because they told me so)

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: El Queso <the_cheese_23nospam@yahoo.com>

You're old.
Queso

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

You know what finally hit me the other day, after listening to people
go off about how horribly repressive Islam is to women (not that I
necessarily argue with that, what the fuck do I know about it, I'm not
an Islamic woman) and especially how terrible it is that women in
Islam have to wear veils.

HOW PATRIARCHAL! HOW REPRESSIVE!

Then I saw an OLD arab woman. One who had spent most of her life in
North Africa.

They look REALLY old. Because of the sun. Duh.

And then it hit me that wearing a veil was the best possible thing a
woman could do to protect herself from the sun.

I mean the point, to me, is just that western people, always ever so
desperate for something to be offended about, look at that with no
idea of the reality of living in this culture and go off about it
having no real idea what they're talking about.

A lot of traditions are like that, really. The formal reasons why
they are retained have nothing to do with the real reasons. That's
where traditions come from, at some level people instinctively grasp
that something is important but not really why.

You look at the bible. A lot of the rules make a lot of sense, for a
nomadic desert-dwelling tribe. Stay away from pork. Good advice,
improperly prepared pork can be deadly. Marriage rules, social rules,
so on and so on. Most of them make a lot of sense in themselves, but
reflect things that would have been beyond the medical/psychological
knowledge of the people in that time.

So the useful stuff gets thrown in with the useless stuff like
"anybody who says the magic word Jehoobiejoobie when they aren't
wearing their special magic hat must be put to death by stoning" and
a lot of crap goes on but the tribe survives.

I don't know what my point is. I think westerners should generally
shut the fuck up. Half of them that go off about the e-vils of other
cultures are about a hair's breadth away from the kooks like OM and
George Hammond who think they have the whole secret to solving all the
ills of the world figured out and can't tell the difference between
that and mental illness.

Who knows. Or maybe not. I just needed something to rant about. My
fingers were getting itchy.

I think tattoos are cool, personally, as long as the person doesn't
get carried away.

It's kind of a social division. "Tribalism". The Tribals versus the
rest of them, with the rest of them vaguely representing repression
and conservativism. All very William Burroughs.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"The only difference bewteen a madman and myself
is that I am not mad."
- Salvador Dali

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: fenian <fenian@start.ca>

I agree with this post, but you done made me think.

It's a form of identification, whether it be religious, or to say I
shop at the GAP, or to say I'm soooo BAD. I think no matter what
culture you find body modification, it's the same motivation. The
tattooed individual believes that some statement is being made.

I think Westerners who do it are more at risk at looking stupid,
because, when someone of an older tribal group does it (ie, a Tahitian
tribe), then there is some established, understood meaning in the body
modification. Westerners are making up our culture as we go along, and
so quite often, the chick with the Chinese characters on her tit will
be the only one who understands her reasons for having them there. We
often fail to see that the people who are Westerners are an infant
culture. We have no real culture yet, it's just being built. We draw
from our origins, in the rest of the world, but there is no true,
shared history, which is what a culture is. Other people will see it
and write it off as just another chick being all trendy.

I'm over joyed to see more and more women going completely without
makeup. I'm totally with you - I see more beauty in an unmodified
body. Could even that be considered to come from the same motivation
as those would modify? Not wearing makeup or tattooes for some may be
a form of self expression no different from those who do wear tattooes
or makeup. It's just, to you and I anyway, a hell of a lot more
graceful, and *meaningful*, and therefore, beautiful.

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: "nu-monet v6.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Fri, Jun 4, 2004 6:42 PM
Message-ID: <40C0FACC.650C@succeeds.com>

polar bear wrote:
>
> ...She's covered in tattoos, all of them ugly, which
> make her look like she's been rolling around on a
> giant ink blotter....
>

Yeah, but think how GOOD they'll look when she's
about 78, all fat and flabby and saggy and wrinkly
with hairy facial warts and layered face paint, so
thick it's flaking off and big false eye lashes and
a ratty fake wig and brown dentures and breath like
an exhumation. And she has this *stink* about her,
like she rubbed fresh dog shit all over except she
tried to hide the smell with Pine-Sol, about a week
ago.

And you're sitting at the bar, drunk off your ass,
drinking the cheapest scotch you can get and it
burns all the way down to your stomach, and you know
that if you keep looking at her tats, they're gonna
start moving again and you'll lose it.

And she leans over close enough for you to smell the
living death dogshit smell, pulls out her dentures
to show her brown and festering gums, the pops out
her fake eyeball and says "Hey! Ashhole! You wanna
real good blowjob?" And then winks at you with her
socket.

And you start to vomit. Not like any vomit you have
ever vomited before. It's one of those once in a
lifetime vomit-or-die things and yer heaving so hard
that you're pitching up constipation turds all over
yer overalls. And you pass out.

Later, when you come to, yer out back. It's late at
night and you can see all the bugs flying around the
dirty streetlight. Then you hear all the barflies
laughing as they rifle your wallet, and the ugly old
bitch comes over and tells you that she's gonna crap
right on your face. As she straddles you, you notice
how tight and firm and youthful her ass looks, with
a pretty little flower tattoo on her right cheek.

And then a long, slimy, greasy turd is laid right
across your eyes. And that's ONE tattoo you'll
never forget.

--
"HERE LIES NU-MONET.
GOT TRIPLE HIS MONEY BACK."

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: "Dunter Powries" <fech.redcaps@spedlin>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Jun 4, 2004 6:50 PM
Message-ID: <i17wc.2561$QT3.2298@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>

nu-monet v6.0 <nothing@succeeds.com> wrote in message
news:40C0FACC.650C@succeeds.com...

>
> And then a long, slimy, greasy turd is laid right
> across your eyes. And that's ONE tattoo you'll
> never forget.

THAT WAS YOU!?!?

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>

To get laid of course. By men who are not like Polar Bear.

--
The above post has been presented for entertainment purposes only.
Reader's discretion is advised.

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>

HA HA! You've got tats!!!

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: Jeff Spicoli <tubes@dood.com>

I hear ya pb!

A few friends of mine and myself have been looking into going into the
tat removal biz. This will be a BIG racket in 10 years.
And the investment isn't great, just the dermatology cert is the hitch
right now.

As for the perferated clits, it give mister tongue a little sumpin' else
to play with!

Spi[oli

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: Cardinal Vertigo <vertigo@alexandria.cc>

Because they think it attracts young sexy men and repels old ones.

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: "Alliekatt" <howmuchspudscouldaspudsuckersuck@ifaspudsuckercouldsuckspuds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Jun 4, 2004 7:25 PM
Message-ID: <Ex7wc.1218$9g6.116@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>

"polar bear" <bear@pole.com> wrote in message
news:040620041345319837%bear@pole.com...
> <mini rant w/ paragraph breaks>

> PS: nose studs are stupid too. Do you think you'd look good in a
> sari? Trust me, nose studs and sari's only work for Indian women.
> (who are all laughing at you, BTW. I know, because they told me so)

Who told you to use an apostrophe 's to make a plural? HUH? WHO?

As far as I'm concerned, those who do THAT are ALSO meat for the Xists!!!

But know this: I'm sure with this post, you have made a friend in nenslo.
Congrats, you are now in the Secret Subgenius Society of Colostomy Coots.

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: "abNorm Nihil" <abnorm.nihil@comcast.net>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Jun 4, 2004 8:49 PM
Message-ID: <gr6dnYmr4JAbilzd4p2dnA@comcast.com>

Yup, I agree with polar bear. And MY opinion actually counts. Wait, never
mind that last bit. Some of the "tribal" designs look like the work of an
epileptic with a Sharpie. I do admit to getting some enjoyment out of those
who overdo things a bit. I want to see the mutilation escalate to
amputations and holes through torsos.

Rev. abNorm Nihil
Screaming Monkey Institute of Latent Eremitical Studies
"Higher Slack Through Misanthropy"

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: "Anachron" <nospam@noway.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Fri, Jun 4, 2004 11:23 PM
Message-ID: <X0bwc.19549$Ba.10292@fe2.columbus.rr.com>

>Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?

Why to express their individuality just like everyone else standing in line
at the tattoo shop.

"Can I have a #39 just like my friend got?" said Debbie.

I'm going to have LED's implanted in my stomach that I can rent the space
out to advertisers. That way my body will be profitable and always have
something new to say.

--
Anachron

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sat, Jun 5, 2004 4:25 AM
Message-ID: <jq03c0ps7mn3953944l69gqqua5a9oaj3t@4ax.com>

> Why do western women deface their bodies?

Because if they deface somebody else's they get in all kinds of
trouble.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
Truth lurks always just out of your field of vision; with a baseball
bat cocked.

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack

God damn it, I was gonna stay out of this because I have work to do.

I am so ancient that this whole argument is completely moot to me. My
interests have drifted so far from fashion, or the struggle to get
laid, that I REALLY DON'T CARE about what fool things people do to be
cool year by year. So I can rant on it OBJECTIVELY. Although I don't
think ranting has anything to do with objectivity.

Were it an option, a tat sure wouldn't be the thing that'd stop me from
fucking something, not like, say, a BAD VIBE, CONSTANT YAPPING, or
belief in NON-"BOB" RELIGIOUS CRAP.

The "cool" of every generation attempt to adopt whatever look will
appear most clownish/criminal to their parents' generation. I certainly
did. Long hair on boys, hairy legs on girls, and circus clothes. Oh
deary me how RADICAL. In 1967. I still wear my long hair and my dad
still wears his 1940 cut. We look ridiculous to the youngsters. GOOD.
The youngsters have done a good job themselves. Those baggy pants worn
at the buttcrack, shaved pates, elaborate defacements, all look like
SILLY CLOWN STUFF to me. And I feel so sorry for the girls who have to
show off their huge guts to be cool. But, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.

The funny little monkey will do what it takes to be cool. Temporarily.
Only the most desparate and unfunny monkeys will KEEP trying to be
cool, adapting the latest idiotic styles no matter how pathetic it
looks on older folks.

I feel so much sorrier for the guy that keeps dying his hair than I do
for the naturally bald headed dude who just looks baldheaded because he
is baldheaded. Pretending and preening may actually get the dye guy
laid by more strangers, but... what KIND of "laid" are we talking
about?

Probably the kind of laid that I don't know a god damned thing about,
so who knows, maybe acting stupid is worth it in that respect.

To me, my long gray hair says, "This guy was cool in 1971." To me
tattoos say, "This one was cool in 1995." Every granny shopping at
Wallmart has a dragon tattooed on her ankle, nowadays, so I return to
my original point:
WHO THE FUCK CARES.

"Cool" just means "what your peer group's doing". I was cool for a
little while. Then I blew it off... which is itself MUCH cooler!

WHY? BECAUSE I SAID SO.

THERE'S your "COOLNESS."

It is interesting that tattoos and long hair are exact opposites,
regarding acquisition and removal. The tattoo you can get in 20 minutes
at the mall; the long hair requires months of inattention. The long
hair can be REMOVED in 20 minutes at a mall, but the tat takes a lot of
painful work to erase. WHICH SHOWS MORE "COMMITMENT" to The Cause, or
to getting laid by young people? The one that can be APPLIED on a whim,
or the one that can be REMOVED on a whim?

Again, we find that ultimately, it doesn't make much difference. But if
you wear a nosering to a riot, a riot cop can GRAB YOU AND LEAD YOU
AROUND BY IT. That's what Vreedeez' dad (an anarchist!) pointed out to
the young Vreedeez when he was about to get his ear pierced for an ear
ring.

In 1968 or so.

"Tribalism."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, your "tribe."

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

"You'll all be working for your dads in five years!" -- 90% accurate
prophecy made by Rev. Ivan Stang to a crowd of standard-issue angry
youth in Cleveland 5 years ago

Right now your "tribe" might be the Rainbow People or something, but
it's funny how quickly your tribal affiliation can switch over to some
huge faceless corporation, once you're force-weaned from the Mama-Tit.
Becoming a parent usually takes care of that.

Kids, I can't WAIT to see what YOUR kids do to freak YOU out.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
A subsidiary of:
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc. / P.O. Box 204206, Austin, TX 78720-4206
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SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com
For SubGenius Biz & Orders: call toll free to 1-888-669-2323
or email: jesus@subgenius.com
PRABOB

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: Cardinal Vertigo <vertigo@alexandria.cc>

> Kids, I can't WAIT to see what YOUR kids do to freak YOU out.

That's the same thing your parents' generation said to yours. And now
you know!

--
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public." Theodore Roosevelt, twenty-sixth
President of the United States

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: Legume <none@yerbiz.com>

polar bear wrote:
> Look. There is nothing on earth more beautiful than the site of an
> unblemished, unmodified female body in all it's naked splendor.

Yeah, especially when it's one of those fat hairy bitches with the big gap
between her front teeth.
---
Legume
That guy with the '13' tattoed on the side of his neck.

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

In article <57nwc.4686$QE2.3436@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>, Cardinal
Vertigo <vertigo@alexandria.cc> wrote:

> That's the same thing your parents' generation said to yours. And now
> you know!

I know what your kids are gonna do to freak you out? Okay then.

My advice is to INVEST NOW in cheap, brittle fiberglass broomsticks.

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Subject: Re: Why do western women deface their bodies?
From: Cardinal Vertigo <vertigo@alexandria.cc>

No no. When your parents' generation said to your generation, "Kids, I
can't WAIT to see what YOUR kids do to freak YOU out," now you know what
YOUR kids' generation is doing to freak your generation out.

But I bought an overstock case of brittle fiberglass broomsticks from a
Chinese warehouser just in case.

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