Regarding My Visit

From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2004

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
> Imagine that. Me, the Sacred Scribe of the Church of the SubGenius, not
> believing he's the real J.R. "Bob" Dobbs. He had driven all the way
> from Toronto to Dallas to inform me of this, in 1988, so I can see how
> he'd be disappointed when I urged him to find another fake name.

I don't do long drives. We flew into Dallas from L.A. on Oct. 27/88 after
helping to organize Mae Brussell's archive for a week and then attending her
funeral in Carmel on Oct.7 or so, and subsequently spending 2 weeks at Gerry
Fialka's home in Venice. Bob Marshall had done his famous interview with
Zappa on Oct.21-22 which I attended. And I remember calling you from Gerry's
to set up our second meeting (the first was accidental in Feb., 1978).
During that phone call you requested I find out what Zappa thought of your
Church. We took the Book of the SubGenius to him for Marshall's interview
and left it on his coffee table. He was rewriting his autobiography at that
time since he wasn't happy with Peter Ochiogrosso's version. He subsequently
mentioned the Subs in the final version. But what I'm most proud of is the
fact he ended the book with the data (in relation to AIDS) which I gave him
from the book, A HIGHER FORM OF KILLING.

I never said to you at our meeting that I was J. R. "Bob" Dobbs. You assumed
I believed that and said if there really was a J. R. "Bob" Dobbs, then I was
the closest to what you had in mind (I didn't know what exactly you meant
and you didn't specify, and being indifferent I didn't pursue the matter).

You did kindly show me your copy of the famous show of OUTER LIMITS
featuring the XANTES (I think that was their name). What struck me at the
time was that it was dated right around Nov.22/63. You could check if you
still have it.

I didn't smoke the frop you offered.

But we did share a meal at some local favorite restaurant of yours or your
wife's.

You didn't tell me to change my name. You may have felt that but didn't say
it to me directly. You may have said it to others, including Myke Dyer. But
Myke, the host of the show I was a biweekly guest on for 4 years (1987-91),
certainly knew my name was not fake so he must have demurred. And the show
went on.

Your former wife thought Connie was "a real treasure" and greatly
appreciated the homeopathy information (about a homeopath in Texas she could
get in touch with) that Connie gave her.

Overall you were a very gracious host.

So there you have it - the facts of that momentous occasion.

Bob Dobbs

P.S. This meeting is not to be confused with the one you had with Bob
Marshall (or perhaps you thought it was "Bob Dean") which Dave Newfeld joked
about in his letter to STEREO REVIEW (I think, I'm not near my archives
right now) in early '93.

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From: smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx)

so, who fucking cares?

all of that bullshit could have been emailed to him in private and who
would have given a shit but you,except you have this fucked up need to
be linked to the guy in a public forum any way you can. this has been
going on for how many years now mr. "indifferent"?

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

BBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob Dobbs

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx)wrote:

>so, who fucking cares?
>
>all of that bullshit could have been emailed to him in private and who
>would have given a shit but you,except you have this fucked up need to
>be linked to the guy in a public forum any way you can. this has been
>going on for how many years now mr. "indifferent"?

100,000 years from now, human society will undoubtedly be so different
from contemporary society, so different in technology, social
structure, and world view, that our day-to-day thinking and activity
will be as obscure and incomprehensible to them as the workings of
neanderthal man are to us today.

Why did one group of them fly an airplane into a building occupied by
members of this other group? Why did the other group fight a war in
Iraq? Why are they so intently focussed on a small group of religions
known as "political parties"? Why did they elect a chimpanzee as
their ruler?

And WHAT is the Church of the Subgenius?

Because by that time, we will all have long-since flown away on the
metal space craft of the X-Beings and won't be there to explain it.

What was this strange fringe religion? Did they REALLY NOT NOTICE
that it's holy man was cut out of a comic book? Did they really have
all the answers after all?

And they won't know the answers to these questions. Outside of a few
obscure specialists operating in little-travelled byroads of their
academia, there will be nobody who will even comprehend the questions.

But if they do manage to reconstruct our society at all. If they even
CARE one way or another. If some genius among them is able to
reactivate the crude electrically-fired magnetic artifacts which were
our storehouse of knowledge, and to make sense out of the binary
patterns encoded into them. If they can catalog the Internet and from
that see where so much activity was centered during a few decades of
their second millenium. And if in the process they are able to watch
the day to day conversations and theological debates which constitute
the Church of the Subgenius. And in doing so, some single soul from
the year 189,843, alone but entranced in watching the very thought
process of this strange but stirring long-forgotten race of another
world happens to notice Bob Dean among them,

While he will not really grasp in any deep way the overall meaning of
the times or our politics or beliefs or religion, Dean will present no
mystery at all to him.

"What an asshole", he will think. "A waste of time, and nothing else"

And on that point, if none other, he will be correct.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
Laugh, and the world laughs with you
Cry, and the world laughs louder

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

I agree with the points made in this post.

Bob Dobbs

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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)

> "What an asshole" ... "A waste of time, and nothing else"
>
> And on that point, if none other, he will be correct.

I wonder if wasting time will seem a virtue or a vice to this
'person', or whether those notions will be similarly obscured by time.

In fact, I wonder if they'll still have assholes, and how they'll
interpret our habit of referring to each other as 'assholes'.

"It seems they occasionally realized they were mere sphincter-valves
for vast storms of generalized hostility.......... they were engaged
in fierce propaganda battles for the eventual decision whether to
remake humans with no need for excretion. This paradoxical church
seemed to celebrate excretion as a religious sacrament, while
simultaneously often denouncing their peers as agents of the Shitting
Plague.............."

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

purple <purple@tellurian.com> wrote:

> So there you have it - the facts of that momentous occasion.

What a nice story! Now tell us that one about Jesus rising from the
dead on the third day.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

Can't remember? Too much frop, eh? Well, just take another look at the
pictures posted on alt.binaries.slack last fall.

Meanwhile, for your reptilian brain, one story is true and one isn't. Take
your pick. But thank you for the associations. They subsume the differences.

Bob Dobbs

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

"Ad Absurdum" <haecceity@canada.com> wrote:
> I wonder if wasting time will seem a virtue or a vice to this
> 'person', or whether those notions will be similarly obscured by time.
>
> In fact, I wonder if they'll still have assholes, and how they'll
> interpret our habit of referring to each other as 'assholes'.
>
> "It seems they occasionally realized they were mere sphincter-valves
> for vast storms of generalized hostility.......... they were engaged
> in fierce propaganda battles for the eventual decision whether to
> remake humans with no need for excretion. This paradoxical church
> seemed to celebrate excretion as a religious sacrament, while
> simultaneously often denouncing their peers as agents of the Shitting
> Plague.............."

You win this one, Abs. The quotation pushed you into the winner's circle.

But who gives a fuck!!!

Bob Dobbs

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

Right, who cares, when you're Bob Dobbs, the New Jesus, the Maitreya,
"8" on its side, That Very ONE Who Has Been Foretold.

The OUTFOLDING has begun! All of the old shall be swept aside. Any
minute now. The rest of us will suddenly awaken to the fact that we
were already swept aside long ago -- but!... that the New Perfect Being
can reconstruct us all, this time CORRECTLY. ANY MINUTE NOW.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

No, you're not wrong. Actually, now Doug is beginning to think clearly...
but I would strongly emphasize "beginning".

Bob Dobbs

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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

purple <purple@tellurian.com> wrote:
> Can't remember? Too much frop, eh? Well, just take another look at the
> pictures posted on alt.binaries.slack last fall.
> Meanwhile, for your reptilian brain, one story is true and one isn't. Take
> your pick. But thank you for the associations. They subsume the differences.

Admit it, Dean. You were such a putz in high school, the jocks made
you go toilet-diving for turds so often you were balder'n me long
before I'd lost more than 3 strands and that's why you're such a
blandly vengeful little wanger. Behind every pontificating little
dullard stands a childhood trauma he just can't put aside. C'mon,
admit to your wall-eyed uncle cornholing you at Thanksgiving and
you'll be FREE, I tell you, FREE!!!! Of course, Legume will just
enlarge the previous damage with his Bigfoot meat, but at least you'll
have a fresh start, you pathetic idiot.

HellPope Huey
Next: Edible Hulk Underoos
for confused manic depressives

It's hard to work in groups when you're omnipotent.
- Q., "Star Trek, The Next Generation"

Its hard to depurify the permanently besodden.
- Popess Lilith

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

You're projecting again, Phooey.

Bob Dobbs

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From: rabbs@subgenius.com (Rabbi Jacklyn Hyde)

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
> What a nice story! Now tell us that one about Jesus rising from the
> dead on the third day.

Personally, I find both stories rather tedious...

-With love, the Rabbs

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

That's because you're DIM and DULL.

Bob Dobbs

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

purple<purple@tellurian.com> wrote:
> No, you're not wrong. Actually, now Doug is beginning to think clearly...
> but I would strongly emphasize "beginning".

Doug was being sarcastic. Bob is not even beginning to think.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

Exactly. I pursue percept, not concept. This keeps me ahead of the other
dupe, and especially you.

Today, for Americans, "thought" is kinetic (see Mobil Ave. subway station in
Matrix 3).

Canadian tactility curves around the Android Meme's proprioception.

In short, I'm just too clever for all the assembled.

Bob Dobbs

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

You missed something.

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

Uhuh... I seeeee.

Bob Dobbs

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From: smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx)

bob dean wrote:
> That's because you're DIM and DULL.

you're projecting.

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

I don't project.

Bob Dobbs

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

The Dean bulb burnt out a long time ago.

"Dean bulb," nyuk nyuk.

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From: drdark@37.com (DoktorDark)

It's time to lighten up with a little sing along. So let's all
carry-yokel to the melody of the immortal Kingsmen tune with the
following lyrics:

McLuhie Looney, he gotta go.
McLuhie Looney, he gotta go.
A fine kook example, he wait for we.
He catch our shit from across the sea.
He took our shit while all alone.
With him we'll always pick a bone.
McLuhie Looney, he gotta go. McLuhie Looney, he gotta go.

Three nights and days he posted to alt.slack.
We all think he oughta bite our sack.
When he on line, we know he there.
We smell the shit that's in the air.
McLuhie Looney, he gotta go. McLuhie Looney, he gotta go.

We see the full moon above.
It won't be long for a post from that muv.
We take him in our arms and rend.
We tell him to never come here again.
McLuhie Looney, he gotta go. McLuhie Looney, he gotta go.

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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

This kind of thing makes it clear that most Subgeniuses are too cheap
to buy incense and instead leave all of their cleaning products open
under the sink. That cumulative cachet can make you think leather-clad
leprechauns are breakdancing on top of your TV. I mean when they're
really NOT, because sometimes they are.

HellPope Huey
If the neighbors play rock, beat 'em with sticks;
If they play rap, kneecap 'em;
but if they play opera, shoot 'em in the EYE.

"Tap into people's dignity
and they will do anything for you.
Ignore it and they won't lift a finger."
- Thomas Friedman

"Somebody tell the Swiss to stop
standing in the doorway
with a mouse in their mouth."
- "The West Wing"

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

<purple@tellurian.com> wrote:
> In short, I'm just too clever for all the assembled.

Well, duh! You're the Gate, the One, the Teacher, the Path out of the
Darkness, The Baab, The Messiah. Only close study of your maygickal
system of correspondences can provide the discipline required to fully
grok your deepness and enter your Light.

But there's a guy who lives in the dumpster behind the Burger King
here, who says basically the same thing you're saying, except that he
says it about himself! And he uses math instead of McLuhan as proof.
Yet it appears he can't even wipe his own ass.

Now, would that homeless smelly guy behind the Burger King be really
just a mentally ill fellow with a messiah complex, or would he be
simply another manifestation of you, an "outcropping," so to speak? Or
is it just a coincidence that so many of the people in mental
institutions and dumpsters say the same things about themselves as you
say about yourself? Or, more ominously, are those insane kooks who talk
so much like you really just "set dressing" that we "Agent Smiths" set
in place across the world at great expense, to distract the human
populace from your vast achievements, and make you appear to be just
another crazy blabbering New Age casualty?

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

And THERE is what YOU missed. You see, what I "say" does not come out of my
mouth or any other orifice. I'm not logocentric. All the characters you
associate with me, from the ones who visited your old Dallas homestead to
your dumpster neighbours, exercise their mouths with oral, narcissistic
diarrhea. These European ranters always get marginalized in a kinetic
Kulture such as these here parts.

But I am the One, etc., because I speak in multi-sensory modalities... and
then some. Hence, my dog whistle is inaudible to the kinetic/oral "strategy
of tension."

You haven't grokked me yet so I remain the only player on the field awaiting
the home team's nervous arrival.

Bob Dobbs

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

<purple@tellurian.com> wrote:
> And THERE is what YOU missed. You see, what I "say" does not come out of my
> mouth or any other orifice. I'm not logocentric. All the characters you
> associate with me, from the ones who visited your old Dallas homestead to
> your dumpster neighbours, exercise their mouths with oral, narcissistic
> diarrhea. These European ranters always get marginalized in a kinetic
> Kulture such as these here parts.

That is some silly bullshit.

> But I am the One, etc., because I speak in multi-sensory modalities... and
> then some. Hence, my dog whistle is inaudible to the kinetic/oral "strategy
> of tension."

That would perfectly explain why we uptight American proles can't grasp
that incredibly simple, yet simultaneously impossibly advanced, single
REALIZATION which you so patiently project/exemplify.

I can think of a couple of other things that also might explain it.

> You haven't grokked me yet so I remain the only player on the field awaiting
> the home team's nervous arrival.

Boy, that's clumsily put even for you, Dean.

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Kooks always answer the question they wish you'd asked, rather than the
question you really asked. A self-validating philosophy IS convenient,
no doubt about that.

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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

purple <purple@tellurian.com> wrote:

> You're projecting again, Phooey.

Nah, you're just spraying feathers again because you know that the
truth is, Legume would never let you even fellate him, much less honor
you with actual penetration.

HellPope Huey
If the neighbors play rock, beat 'em with sticks;
If they play rap, kneecap them;
but if they play opera, shoot 'em in the EYE.

"Tap into people's dignity
and they will do anything for you.
Ignore it and they won't lift a finger."
- Thomas Friedman

"Somebody tell the Swiss to stop
standing in the doorway
with a mouse in their mouth."
- "The West Wing"

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
> That would perfectly explain why we uptight American proles can't grasp
> that incredibly simple, yet simultaneously impossibly advanced, single
> REALIZATION which you so patiently project/exemplify.

Way off.
>
> I can think of a couple of other things that also might explain it.

But they'd be wrong, too.

> Boy, that's clumsily put even for you, Dean.

I don't THINK so.

> Kooks always answer the question they wish you'd asked, rather than the
> question you really asked. A self-validating philosophy IS convenient,
> no doubt about that.

I don't have a philosophy.

Just go and really study the word "phatic" and then realize that's not what
I'm doing.

Bob Dobbs

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

That specious crap might "resonate" with bloodless, silly numbnuts, but
in all this time it has never resonated with me as anything but tired,
pretentious, neurotically self-deluded blather. Sorry, Bob, but you
really are just an unusually wordy and academically inclined New Age
kook, and from the posts of your three pals, it's painfully obvious
that despite a decade of unwelcome posting in various Internet groups,
your corny spiel has appealed to maybe half a dozen other tweedy New
Age dumbasses, and no SubGeniuses at all.

Go ahead and DEPRIVE us of you, Bob. Wouldn't that be oh so terribly
cruel to us. Won't we all be sorry when you're finally declared World
Teacher instead of Church of the SubGenius reject.

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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>

You've got a problem with that!!??

Bob Dobbs

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From: "Ankara" <uh-huh@somewhere.com>

Purple...um...whatever:

> I don't have a philosophy.
>
> Just go and really study the word "phatic" and then realize that's not
what
> I'm doing.
>
>
> Bob Dobbs

NOT what your doing?
that has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard of...
why dont you hit yourself over the head with a lead pipe,
to realize that's not what I am doing....
better still....invite throngs of people to pee in your mouth
I am definately NOT doing that...
ok...ok.....ok...LET A MIDGIT CLOWN FUCK YOU UP THE
ASS WHILE SINGING 'WE'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN"
BY THE CARPENTERS.....TO FINALLY,
ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT I AM
NOT DOING THAT!

you really need to explore all these things that I am not
doing....so that you know what I am not doing.....
geez...

Ankara

What the hell do you think you're doing? -Ivan Stang

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From: "Rev. ErRoR" <error@priest.SPAMcom>

To no one in particular...

Every argument you make furthers it's belief in it's own supremacy
Leave it alone and it will be
POWERLESS

err.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

Rev.ErRoR, they aren't arguments, and nobody cares what Dean thinks at
all. Some of us poke at him for our own amusement and to further
investigate what makes a kook a kook rather than a visionary. (We, um
NEED to KNOW!) There have been many cycles of Dean-bashing, and it's
been going on for many years. For long stretches, everybody ignores
him, but every now and then somebody feeling devilish -- sometimes it's
me -- decides to rile him up and watch him spazz. That was a mistake
when Meow was following up every Dean post, but his scintillating ally
Gurdjieff is too... SOMETHING... to work a computer most of the time,
and Dean's three other little buddies are pretty innocuous really. (One
of his three buddies just started using a second name here,
incidentally, to make it look like four.)

When I saw his latest news, of how the government monitors his Internet
chats and phone calls to see what info he's getting from dead rock
stars and pop culture pundits about the alien living inside Their
mind-control ray machine, I just could NOT resist dragging the whole
can of worms out of its hidey-hole and spilling it all over alt.slack
-- just to gross everybody out, if for no other reason. Hey, it worked
on you.

Although... I guess it IS sort of like when somebody emails me a
picture, and I look at it only to find it's an autopsy photo or a
picture of a deformed fetus (fashionable graphics in the Punk heyday)
-- I DON'T appreciate it. So, I'll try to keep it to a minimum. But...
LEMURIA and ATLANTIS, man. Many of those chosen for great tasks in this
age are reincarnated Atlanteans.

HOOOOOO!

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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>

Check out the Lemuria mailing list at lemuria.photon.cc sometime. A
large sample of its regular posters are BAT SHIT INSANE.

I tried trolling them once, but messages sometimes take days to turn
around which takes a lot of the fun out of it.

--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby

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From: "Rev. ErRoR" <error@priest.SPAMcom>

POST AWAY, I didn't HAVE to read this thread or even reply. I've got
filters and I killfile most of the pure imbeciles (which are mercifully
few)

I say leave it alone because I would love to see it's tiny world
crumbling around it as it finds no one to play with ...
(and also so I don't get tempted to started on it again. I still
remember the last time)

Why not get super creaHATEive and do a bunch of web pages on the pleb.
I'd sure like to know the whole story. It would be interesting to see
how badly it's deteriorated.
the B'Deen dossier from start to finish
Opened like an overipe pear
HEY IT'S ONLY LIBEL IF IT'S A LIE

err.
Master of Quadraplegic phallic android moomin communication

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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>

"Rev. ErRoR" <error@priest.SPAMcom> wrote :

(snip)> Why not get super creaHATEive and do a bunch of web pages on the
pleb.
> I'd sure like to know the whole story. It would be interesting to see
> how badly it's deteriorated.
> the B'Deen dossier from start to finish

A lot of it can be found in the Archives, I think. A month or so ago I read
as much of it as I could stomach. It's a quick search in any case... IF YOU
MUST.

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From: "nikolai kingsley" <nikolai@broadway.net.au>

> But there's a guy who lives in the dumpster behind the Burger King
> here, who says basically the same thing you're saying, except that he
> says it about himself! And he uses math instead of McLuhan as proof.
> Yet it appears he can't even wipe his own ass.

well! he's a mathematician, not an ... uh, ass-wiper.

it must be that phenomenon where you learn so much maths it pushes other
stuff out of the brain.

nikolai
--
glad i'm a gamma, etc

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