From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
Date: Fri, Apr 2, 2004
Rev. Ivan Stang <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
> Rev. Ivan Stang <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
wrote:
> > I got 5 ARISE orders in 5 hours! And all the
cc numbers -- WENT
> > THROUGH, EVEN THOUGH it's APRIL FIRST!! Great
day in the morning!
> > Halleluiah! Praise His Sweet Name! Shalakandala
Debah-Soyah!
> > Kreegah-bundolo! HeeEUNGH!! Let this snowball
ROLL ON, baby, ROLL ON!
> >
> > I guess they took that reviewer guy seriously
when he said it was THE
> > greastest DVD that ANYONE could POSSIBLY EVER
SEE AND POSSESS in any
> > known time continuum. EVEN THOUGH HE ADMITTED
HE WAS A BRAINWASHED
> > SUBGENIUS. EVEN THOUGH IT'S APRIL FOOL'S DAY.
> >
> > Ooooh lah lah. I am gonna be WALLOWING and
GROVELLING in cerdit
> > card-fuled VIRTUAL PILES OF GOLD by tonight!
Like Scrooge McDuck,
> > fucking his money-hoard like a greedy little
fuck-piggy.
> >
> > Damn, I guess I better tell Cordt!
> Oh no! No orders for an hour!
> Better get one of those whatchacallits!
I got THREE more, but that wasn't enough fake money
to grovel in like
Scrooge McDuck.
BUT! Jesus discovered that the "ad" for ARISE
and all the free
downloads, which I posted two weeks ago to our bulk-email-list,
thousands of names, NEVER ACTUALLY GOT SENT! The flow
of orders we've
been getting has been the result of NO advertising (up
until this
amazingly glowing review came out). So now I have to
reconfigure the
news release and get it sent for real. I may get to
do some serious
wallowing YET.
The reason the bulk email didn't go out, when I thought
it had, turned
out to be because of a BAD WORD. The bulk emailer program
automatically
PREVENTS one from using "bad words." In the
case of this newsletter,
the "bad word" it flagged was "DOCUVOYEUR"
-- a word I thought I had
coined just for the newsletter. Apparently it had become
a banned word
before I even thought of it. Or somebody even more bad
than me thought
of it already.
Jesus said He talked to the bulk email program makers,
and they undid
the banning of the word "docuvoyeur".
All I know is, the minute I started giving ARISE away
for free, I
started getting a lot more orders for it. Welcome to
SubGeniusLand.
It is now downloadable in DivX at alt.binaries.movies.divx!
Or it's $20
from me in DVD. The VCD version of ARISE may well also
still be on
alt.binaries.monter-movies on many servers.
Also now playing on alt.binaries.monter-movies, thanks
to Nu-Monet:
"CHARIOTS OF THE GODS." (Also "The Creature
from the Black Lagoon," my
beloved "Caltiki The Immortal Monster," and
"A Boy and His Dog.") From
Blackout: the infamous Cane Toads documentary, and Svankmeyer's
utterly
insane "Conspirators of Pleasure."
Wei and I watched the first two reels of "Conspirators
of Pleasure" but
decided to save the "climax" for tonight.
Holy fucking shit, again. Not
a word of dialog in that whole film and yet WHAT A SOUNDTRACK!!
Never
have the distant brayings of dogs heard through distant
apartment walls
sounded SO FUCKING WEIRD. Like The Bolex Brothers, and
The Raimi
Brothers in their early years, the scenes Svankmeyer's
trying to create
are so *FUCKED BEYOND HUMAN SEMBLANCE* that for certain
shots he has to
stop the camera and STOP-MOTION ANIMATE (or "pixilate")
his human
actors, festooning them with props and putting them
through impossible
moves between frames. This particular movie is roughly
"about" sexual
compulsions and fetishes and GOOD GAWD, does it make
me feel square and
regular by comparison -- another sign of a VERY STRANGE
FILM.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
> All I know is, the minute I started giving ARISE
away for free, I
> started getting a lot more orders for it. Welcome
to SubGeniusLand.
Thank you, I feel welcome.
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
You shouldn't feel at all welcome here, being a deanwit.
You've never
seen or whiffed "SubGeniusLand" and can't.
So please, shove that
feeling of "welcome" up your need-hole and
then, once you've processed
it to his liking, you may present it to your LongDurPerSav,
Bob Dean.
Maybe someday he'll mention you to his ghost buddies
Marshall McLuhan
and Frank Zappa, and then you can REALLY feel "welcome,"
in that
wonderful New Age Seance-Land that you DO seem to, um,
understand.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
BBWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Dobbs
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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
wrote:
> You SHOULDN'T feel at all welcome here, being a
deanwit. YOU'VE NEVER
> seen or whiffed "SubGeniusLand" and CAN'T.
And yet I do, have, and can all the time. Perhaps you're
mistaking
tiny fragments of internet text for "knowing"
anything about
me........ a very COMMON mistake, "Reverend".
I WAS going to respond "Welcome to Black Rock country"
in honor of
this intersection of your 'physics of luck' bulldada
with their
'physics of gift-economy', but didn't because I'm not
exactly
qualified to welcome people to that City....... I'm
a citizen there,
not Mayor or Greeter.
Now, this response makes me feel you're no longer qualified
as Mayor
nor Greeter for SubGeniusLand. I WOULD tell you to
send back my $30
dollars when you receive it (soon hopefully, mailed
on my recent
UnBirthday as recommended ub Rev.X....... but I forgot
the stamp), but
"Bob" is more real than you are, and will
survive your personal death.
So keep it, but do please SEND me what I bought (which
some people I
know of never received after purchasing), and good luck
spending my
money.
"You shouldn't feel at all welcome here, being a deanwit."
So, you're saying you agree with me that 'Dean' is the
closest thing
your Church has to a heretic, ASSHOLE????
Way to 'put your foot in it'. "Happy" 4/4/4
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
Ad Absurdum wrote:
> "You shouldn't feel at all welcome here, being
a deanwit."
>
> So, you're saying you agree with me that 'Dean'
is the closest thing
> your Church has to a heretic, ASSHOLE????
>
> Way to 'put your foot in it'. "Happy"
4/4/4
But what do you think about the part you removed, where I said:
> So please, shove that
> feeling of "welcome" up your need-hole
and then, once you've processed
> it to his liking, you may present it to your LongDurPerSav,
Bob Dean.
> Maybe someday he'll mention you to his ghost buddies
Marshall McLuhan
> and Frank Zappa, and then you can REALLY feel "welcome,"
in that
> wonderful New Age Seance-Land that you DO seem
to, um, understand.
It's like you got all furious and then skipped over the important part.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
Honestly, what I think about it is that you're kicking
a dead Ad
Absurdum, and that it confirms that you don't know me.
It's pretty
good, I just don't live at that address.
I thought the important part was how the minute you
started giving
ARISE away for free, you started getting a lot more
orders for it.
That's the SubGeniusLand I feel welcome in, and it doesn't
fit in my
need-hole.
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
In article <d65e36c.0404040052.62aba3b5@posting.google.com>,
Ad
Absurdum <haecceity@canada.com> wrote:
It's quite true that I can judge you ONLY by your writing.
By your
writing, I judge you to be a precious, cutesy, cloying,
would-be
intellectual, not nearly as witty and sophisticated
as you think you
are, in fact pretty embarrasssing -- a person who's
so far into silly
academic linguistic charades, and so disconnected from
everyday primate
reality, that he actually kinda believes Bob Dean is
the real "Bob"
Dobbs, talks to spirits, knows the Secret Histories
of the Atlanteans
and the Space Brothers, etc. etc.. But you're right
-- I don't know you
except by your writing. And your writing pretty much
precludes my ever
wanting to know you.
> I thought the important part was how the minute
you started giving
> ARISE away for free, you started getting a lot
more orders for it.
> That's the SubGeniusLand I feel welcome in, and
it doesn't fit in my
> need-hole.
Your feeling of being welcome here -- in the unlikely
chance that you
REALLY ever felt welcome -- would definitely be just
another of the
vain conceits you've kidded yourself with.
So why don't you ask Cafe Press to refund your money.
You send back the
little Membership pack to them, and put your $30 towards
what you pay
Larry Harvey to be in his cool guy club. You -- sorry,
what you write,
what you transcribe -- make me sick.
Maybe that's because your writing is over my head, and
I don't
understand it. Or maybe it's because I understand it
all too well.
Maybe it's because you and your ridiculous preening
ilk are precisely
what we've been making fun of for 25 years, and when
that finally sunk
in, you got a little disappointed with us.
If you and Bob had your own newsgroup and website, just
think -- then
the SubGeniuses would have to go over there to trade
insults with you,
rather than your being dependent on us to get your important
McLuhanesque messages out. Bob could even call himself
something more
famous, like "Bob Zappa" or "Everybody,
Here Comes Bob". You could have
your own yearly "MM-Day" at one of the many
Brushwoods that Bob is
always lecturing at. You could do everything JUST LIKE
US -- only,
"Vapid Canadian New Ager" style!
All we have EVER asked is that you imitative gibbons
stop using the
sweet name of J.R. "Bob" Dobbs for your corny
schtick. HOWEVER you
spell it for legal purposes. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. You're
just too
"Pink" and chickenshit to admit it.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
BBWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob Dobbs
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From: smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx)
Ad Absurdumb wrote :
> So, you're saying you agree with me that 'Dean'
is the closest thing
> your Church has to a heretic, ASSHOLE????
oh *my* fucking god, are you *still* carping about that?
you are stupid.
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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx) wrotez:
> Ad Absurdumb wrote :
> > So, you're saying you agree with me that 'Dean'
is the closest thing
> > your Church has to a heretic, ASSHOLE????
> oh *my* fucking god, are you *still* carping about
that?
> > you are stupid.
Ooo, you nasty BITCHES, I'll scratch your EEEYEEESSS out!!!
One benefit I get from the Church is that just about
time I'm wincing
at one of my own fuckups, along comes an exchange that
reminds me of
what a swell fellow I really am. Thanks, guys! BTW,
I'll be up on my
dues before X-Day 7. Maybe I can even get the infamous
Brushwood Pagan
CLAP like last time! That "Bob" stuff is just
one big wacky adventure,
ah tell ya whut!
--
HellPope Huey
I mixed up my Klonopin and TicTacs, can you tell?
Everyone is an idiot, not just the people with low
SAT scores.
The only differences among us is that we're idiots
about different things at different times.
No matter how smart you are,
you spend much of your day being an idiot.
- Scott Adams, "The Dilbert Principle"
If you can afford a lawyer who can instill enough
doubt,
you can get away with screwing a goat,
because the goat won't talk.
- HellPope Huey
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
HellPopeHuey wrote:
> One benefit I get from the Church is that just
about time I'm wincing
> at one of my own fuckups, along comes an exchange
that reminds me of
> what a swell fellow I really am. Thanks, guys!
[snip]
I unreservedly agree with this post.
--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby
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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
Then you are a sucker.
Bob Dobbs
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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
"Karl Marx" <smellypoontang@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
> Ad Absurdumb wrote :
>> So, you're saying you agree with me that 'Dean'
is the closest thing
>> your Church has to a heretic, ASSHOLE????
> oh *my* fucking god, are you *still* carping about
that?
>
> you are stupid.
Nope. You are.
Bob Dobbs
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From: screaming_dong@yahoo.com (Disaffected College Student)
haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum) wrote:
> "You shouldn't feel at all welcome here, being
a deanwit."
>
> So, you're saying you agree with me that 'Dean'
is the closest thing
> your Church has to a heretic, ASSHOLE????
>
> Way to 'put your foot in it'. "Happy"
4/4/4
This reminded me of something. One time in I think
9th grade my lunch
table decided to have stupid theological debates, and
a couple times I
remember that I'd think up some really dumb, self-contradictory
situation that one would be an idiot to accept/believe.
Then I'd ask
whoever I was arguing with if they thought my stupid
idea was a good
one, in order to justify call him a dumbass. I don't
think it ever
worked, and now I blush when I think about it.
Which all just seems sort of tangentially related to
the thread; I
haven't really got anything to contribute.
--
If you were a potato, could I fuck you in the eye?
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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
I like you.
Bob Dobbs
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
"Disaffected College Student" <screaming_dong@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ergo, your reply belongs in the "I Have Absolutely Nothing to Say" thread.
QED, muthafucka!
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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
> > Honestly, what I think about it is that you're
kicking a dead Ad
> > Absurdum, and that it confirms that you don't
know me. It's pretty
> > good, I just don't live at that address.
> It's quite true that I can judge you ONLY by your
writing. By your
> writing, I judge you to be a precious, cutesy,
cloying, would-be
> intellectual, not nearly as witty and sophisticated
as you think you
> are, in fact pretty embarrasssing -- a person who's
so far into silly
> academic linguistic charades, and so disconnected
from everyday primate
> reality, that he actually kinda believes Bob Dean
is the real "Bob"
> Dobbs, talks to spirits, knows the Secret Histories
of the Atlanteans
> and the Space Brothers, etc. etc.. But you're right
-- I don't know you
> except by your writing. And your writing pretty
much precludes my ever
> wanting to know you.
You won't believe me, but sometimes I feel the same
way about "Ad
Absurdum"'s writing style. My other 'altar-egos'
aren't always so
fond of him. He may be an arrogant asshole, but he
means what he says
and tries to say it as precisely as he can. Since his
subjects of
interest are often obscure or abstract, that means a
lot of technical
texture. I do like to try to 'imply' a lot, but I don't
necessarily
identify with the implied character.
It's not what you think about me that's bothersome,
but your
half-assed idea of what I think about Purple. I'm sorry
I can't give
you the break you asked for, but "I like my disbelief
suspended" was
no lie.
> > I thought the important part was how the minute
you started giving
> > ARISE away for free, you started getting a
lot more orders for it.
> > That's the SubGeniusLand I feel welcome in,
and it doesn't fit in my
> > need-hole.
> Your feeling of being welcome here -- in the unlikely
chance that you
> REALLY ever felt welcome -- would definitely be
just another of the
> vain conceits you've kidded yourself with.
This forum's dynamic welcomes me more than any of its
participants,
none of whom I know. I wasn't referring to getting
'friendly vibes'
from any of the lurkers here........ what I was referring
to is quoted
above.
> So why don't you ask Cafe Press to refund your
money. You send back the
> little Membership pack to them, and put your $30
towards what you pay
> Larry Harvey to be in his cool guy club. You --
sorry, what you write,
> what you transcribe -- make me sick.
> Maybe that's because your writing is over my head,
and I don't
> understand it. Or maybe it's because I understand
it all too well.
> Maybe it's because you and your ridiculous preening
ilk are precisely
> what we've been making fun of for 25 years, and
when that finally sunk
> in, you got a little disappointed with us.
I'd substitute 'me' for 'us', there, Reverend.......
and you're
repeating yourself. Your previous long response (in
'The
Anti-Unorthodox') made this point very clearly, and
it was not lost on
me. In fact, that response is what prompted me to send
you my $30; my
feelings toward your Church run deeper than mere 'appreciation'
(however 'wide-ranging' or 'high-brow'), but I needed
a shock to
remember that. Plus, ACUBEATING is an advertised Church
service, and
I felt quite refreshed 'afterword'. I DID mean my response
to that
post (and the long pause) as a compliment, and I sent
the money to
YOU, not to Austin. Your first reply in THIS thread
just seemed lazy
and petty, and only 'ASSHOLE's make 'expulsion' gestures
(mine was
only as futile as yours)..... so I was disappointed,
not in "Bob", but
in you.
But now I'm laughing because Ivan Stang himself has
told me personally
to TAKE my $30 BACK from "Bob"!!!! Never
thought I'd see the
day......... you can decide whether to refund if my
money makes it to
you, just don't rip me off. And I've read your reviews
of BM, Stang,
you know it's not a 'cool guy club', but it's typical
you'd rely on
the idea that I must be a name-dropping scene-latcher..........
I just
MUST be a dink if I like Dean, EH? Hell, I was looking
for you in
'02 to ask you about him (I didn't know then that this
forum existed),
you could have set me straight before I met HIM and
he brainwashed me.
So it's, uh, your fault.
> If you and Bob had your own newsgroup and website,
just think -- then
> the SubGeniuses would have to go over there to
trade insults with you,
> rather than your being dependent on us to get your
important
> McLuhanesque messages out. Bob could even call
himself something more
> famous, like "Bob Zappa" or "Everybody,
Here Comes Bob". You could have
> your own yearly "MM-Day" at one of the
many Brushwoods that Bob is
> always lecturing at. You could do everything JUST
LIKE US -- only,
> "Vapid Canadian New Ager" style!
> All we have EVER asked is that you imitative gibbons
stop using the
> sweet name of J.R. "Bob" Dobbs for your
corny schtick. HOWEVER you
> spell it for legal purposes. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
You're just too
> "Pink" and chickenshit to admit it.
I know what you mean, but I also didn't start either
side of this
argument and I reserve the right not to take one. The
way I see it,
Purple's the only guy around actually making a SERIOUS
effort to kill
"Bob". If his sweet name COULD be truly stolen
that would have
profound consequences, so I'm interested in any attempts.
Purple's is
the most rigorous, the most self-involving, AND he uses
the one weapon
that can truly hurt SubGenii elders: SHEER ANNOYANCE!!
I'm sorry if I
-- sorry, what I write -- make you sick, but you two
sing one of the
most hilarious duets in history so I'm not going to
stop yelling
'Encore!'
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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
I just read this and it made me sick.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)wrote:
>You won't believe me, but sometimes I feel the same
way about "Ad
>Absurdum"'s writing style. My other 'altar-egos'
aren't always so
>fond of him. He may be an arrogant asshole, but
he means what he says
>and tries to say it as precisely as he can. Since
his subjects of
>interest are often obscure or abstract, that means
a lot of technical
>texture. I do like to try to 'imply' a lot, but
I don't necessarily
>identify with the implied character.
Well I know I for one don't find that difficult to believe.
You're saying that "Ad Absurdum" is a cardboard
cutout which you
created with a certain unimaginative set of rules as
to how he should
interact with others, and that you find such a character
annoying.
The only thing I find surprising is that you consider
this some form
of revelation.
You're basically saying you are a usenet version of
a playwrite, which
is about like saying you're a toilet-stall graffiti
version of a poet.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"Why isn't there any organization that supports
heterosexual,
middle-class white men? Oh wait, that's congress."
-Spin City
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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
Joe Cosby
> You're basically saying you are a usenet version
of a playwrite, which
> is about like saying you're a toilet-stall graffiti
version of a poet.
"Ad Absurdum" didn't start off in Usenet or other bulletin boards.
But no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the
idea that I might
be annoying is not a revelation to me.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)wrote:
>"Ad Absurdum" didn't start off in Usenet
or other bulletin boards.
>
>But no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying
the idea that I might
>be annoying is not a revelation to me.
It doesn't sink in.
Posting as "Ad Absurdum" and referring to
yourself in "double quotes"
is basically saying that you aren't -saying- anything
when you post,
that it is by definition a game, playing the role of
"Ad Absurdum",
with a set of rules you invented for reasons known or
appreciated only
by yourself.
Reading something written under those conditions is
one of the most
amazingly tedious and pointless exercises in the world.
Playing personas might seem really insightful and clever
in a
super-post-modern-artiste way, but the end result when
you get past
the masturbating about the theory is that it's just
terribly dull.
This is why people like you and Bob Dean who do nothing
but
persona-playing inevitably wind up trolling and making
pathetic
attempts to antagonize everybody. Because otherwise
NOBODY WOULD PAY
ATTENTION, because the REALITY IS, it's just fucking
DULL.
--
Joe Cosby
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
I agree with this post.
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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
I don't... so you're a sucker.
Bob Dobbs
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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
"Joe Cosby" <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
wrote:
> This is why people like you and Bob Dean who do
nothing but
> persona-playing inevitably wind up trolling and
making pathetic
> attempts to antagonize everybody. Because otherwise
NOBODY WOULD PAY
> ATTENTION, because the REALITY IS, it's just fucking
DULL.
Uh... you're wrong again. I don't roleplay, you do.
You couldn't NOT do it.
That's why you're quadrophrenic and I'm not. You're
the dull one, I'M the
transcendant dazzling. Go figure.
Bob Dobbs
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From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
Purple,
If you had to choose between playing the role of The
Mad Hatter or The March
Hare from Alice In Wonderland which one would you choose
to play?
All of the other roles are taken. If you do not choose,
one will be selected
for you. If you have a preference please take advantage
of this opportunity.
Thank you,
~Salacia
--
The above post has been presented for entertainment
purposes only.
Reader's discretion is advised.
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From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
I'll take The Mad Hatter although I know nothing about
either stories. I'm
going by the notion that hats are extensions of our
genitals. And I invented
the percept of the "discarnate penis" back
in Toronto in '89.
Bob Dobbs
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From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
Good choice! Thanx!
~Salacia
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From: haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> haecceity@canada.com (Ad Absurdum)wrote:
> >"Ad Absurdum" didn't start off in
Usenet or other bulletin boards.
> >But no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying
the idea that I might
> >be annoying is not a revelation to me.
> It doesn't sink in.
>
> Posting as "Ad Absurdum" and referring
to yourself in "double quotes"
> is basically saying that you aren't -saying- anything
when you post,
> that it is by definition a game, playing the role
of "Ad Absurdum",
> with a set of rules you invented for reasons known
or appreciated only
> by yourself.
i mean what i say and i'm curious about what i ask.
> Reading something written under those conditions
is one of the most
> amazingly tedious and pointless exercises in the
world.
Then forget it, but I was interested in the 'questions
needing
answering.......' thread; thought you might be.
> Playing personas might seem really insightful and
clever in a
> super-post-modern-artiste way, but the end result
when you get past
> the masturbating about the theory is that it's
just terribly dull.
>
> This is why people like you and Bob Dean who do
nothing but
> persona-playing inevitably wind up trolling and
making pathetic
> attempts to antagonize everybody. Because otherwise
NOBODY WOULD PAY
> ATTENTION, because the REALITY IS, it's just fucking
DULL.
Whatever, that's just not what I meant.
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From: shaft@postmark.net (you)
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> This is why people like you and Bob Dean who do
nothing but
> persona-playing inevitably wind up trolling and
making pathetic
> attempts to antagonize everybody. Because otherwise
NOBODY WOULD PAY
> ATTENTION, because the REALITY IS, it's just fucking
DULL.
as opposed to you, ...a REAL troll making pathetic attempts
to
antagonise everybody? this is troll central. the reason
y'all are
here is cause you think you're smarter than everyone,
and feel heaping
abuse on people proves your superiority. i hate to
break it to y'all,
but, the shit you fling doesn't stick.
here, have a banana, you.
thanks, don't mind if you do.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
shaft@postmark.net (you) wrote:
>as opposed to you, ...a REAL troll making pathetic
attempts to
>antagonise everybody? this is troll central. the
reason y'all are
>here is cause you think you're smarter than everyone,
and feel heaping
>abuse on people proves your superiority.
Well that's a tired but not illogical guess.
What I really come to usenet for and always have is
those few rare
moments of inspiration. Really, if you really want
to know what
you're talking about just search the Google usenet archives
on my name
and keep going further and further back. The further
back you go the
more you get to where I started, genuinely believing
that usenet, as a
completely open communication medium could serve the
purpose of
allowing the few rare good ideas to propagate and take
hold of people
and lead to powerful grassroots movements that existed
not because the
Right political/social/artistic/whatever group backed
them nor because
they had the Right advertising campaign but simply because
they were
GOOD IDEAS, and people, in the end, do recognize good
ideas as good
ideas and worth propagating.
Why not? The printing press had a similar effect, not
because of some
intrinsic moral value of slapping ink on paper but simply
because it
made it easier to propagate good ideas and good ideas
take root.
At first I was interested in a fairly specific topic
which is now long
since dead, and I gave up on that anyway. Then for
a good couple of
years (or a bad couple of years, depending how you look
at it) I
thought I would do better in the realm of pure idea,
pure change, the
purely transcendental.
However you slice it I really did try to find those
people who were
genuinely inspired and I tried to inspire.
The real hell of it is, I didn't fail. I found what
I was looking
for. I found ideas that spark flames when exposed to
oxygen purely
due to their intense catalytic power. I found people
whose ideas were
capable of shaking the earth. I came into it believing
that in any
generation where history records maybe 2 or 3 seminal
thinkers, there
are dozens or hundreds who we never hear about but who
are not only as
significant, but are vastly more significant in their
thoughts and
ideas but doomed to be forgotten because the social
avenues by which
ideas are preserved are controlled by those whose interests
are served
by mediocrity and trivialization.
And I found, as I had hoped, that a significant number
of people were
infected by good ideas for the sake of good ideas, and
that in this
electronic medium the forces of change could take hold
and take on a
life of their own.
But I completely failed to anticipate how really powerful
the forces
of the dull and mediocre are. At how much of a MAJORITY
they
represent.
It had never occurred to me HOW MANY people there are
whose lives are
dedicated, quite literally, to nothing but the battle
to ensure that
what is mediocre and stupid prevails and what is valuable
and
interesting is crushed.
If that sounds melodramatic, you either haven't been
on usenet long
enough, or you haven't thought about what you've seen
here.
Inevitably, any really great moment I've seen on usenet
has been
shouted out by:
- First, an individual, usually somebody in a position
of petty
authority in their own life, who spends all their time
on usenet doing
nothing but find people trying to express something
inspiring or noble
and fighting to break them down.
Really, if you watch usenet at all, you will find the
people I'm
talking about there. If you follow any group for any
length of time,
you have seen somebody like this on it.
This person is absolutely solid granite when it comes
to ensuring that
EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SO MUCH AS GLANCES AT THAT NEWSGROUP
RECOGNIZES AND APPRECIATES THEIR POSITION OF SUPERIORITY
ON IT.
And second, that person is easily identified in that
beyond their
rock-solid proofs of their own UNSHAKEABLE RECTITUDE,
they do
absolutely nothing but attack others for having the
temerity to have
ANY OPINION AT ALL.
- Second, a bleating group of pathetic sheep who trail
after him/her,
nipping at the heels of any interloper who might have
inspired the
leader's ire.
It doesn't matter what kind of group it is. You will
see precisely
the same recipe on every usenet newsgroup. Computer
operating
systems. Programming languages. Politics. Religion.
Art. Science.
You can follow any newsgroup for enough time and apply
the above to
them with the precision of a measuring stick.
So, maybe you're right. Maybe I spend too much time
attacking those I
see as part of the forces of the self-inflicted stupidity
which seems
to be humanity's choice. I think though that I usually
succeed, most
of the time at least, in attacking exactly those kinds
of idiots who
ensure that usenet is never capable of anything but
being the toilet
stall wall of humanity. Those who stand for stupidity
for stupidity's
sake.
Not even STUPIDITY, because I don't really have anything
against
somebody for being STUPID. We all have areas where
we are fucking
stupid.
But it's those who are sincerely fighting for their
own stupidity as
if it were the rightful limit of everybody else.
Those who are ANGERED when somebody transgresses their
particular set
of sacred beliefs, when anybody questions the ABSOLUTE
RIGHTNESS of
their Side which represents Truth.
It represents a whole social class of humanity; those
who believe
that RIGHTNESS is dependant on a kind of ordainment.
Like the college
professor who is infuriated at a student challenging
his opinion on
history or philosophy or politics. Not angered because
the student is
rude or unreasonable, but because the STUDENT has the
TEMERITY to
question a PROFESSOR.
And maybe to some extent alt.slack is a nest of trolls.
To be honest
though, from what I've seen the "trolling"
done from alt.slack is
aimed at exactly that kind of BOARD-CERTIFIED FUCKING
IDIOT; and I
would like to think I limit my own attacks on them.
Nobody's perfect. I don't doubt sometimes I flame the
shit out of
somebody simply because I can.
The thing is though, it isn't a question of whether
that's right or
wrong, to me. It just isn't FUNNY.
The only time a flame fest is really funny is when somebody
IS so
completely WRONG to even the most casual examination
and so completely
CERTAIN that they are right because of WHO THEY ARE
OR WHAT SIDE
THEY'RE ON.
And in those cases, the longer they fight, the funnier it gets.
Imagine that you have a college chemistry professor.
And you set fire
to him, literally. His clothes are on fire.
And he is ARGUING until he's RED IN THE FACE that it's
just NOT
POSSIBLE to catch rayon on fire.
Maybe some part of most people would want to just grab
a fire
extinguisher and put it out.
And I suppose there is some limit where watching a human
being burn to
death alive is just not funny anymore.
But how long? How long can he keep arguing and arguing,
louder and
louder, more and more ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of his rightness
while his
clothes are crackling up around his ears before it stops
being funny?
For my money, quite a while.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"The acid in human urine causes great damage. It
sounds like a laughing matter but it really isn't."
- Gert-Christian Jakobzik of the Berlin city senate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx)
you was oot and aboot and wrote:
> as opposed to you, ...a REAL troll making pathetic
attempts to
> antagonise everybody?
works on you.
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> Well that's a tired but not illogical guess.
It's also the ultimate in self-contradicting hoo-hah.
A proud Deanie
who started posting here strictly to be antagonistic,
he calls US
"TROLLS."
First off, HE'S HERE at "Troll Central".
And what's he doing here?
Saying what we do is pathetic, telling us why we're
pathetic, telling
us what we really think, and otherwise "proving
his superiority."
What he's berating for JUST HAPPENS to be what he's
in the very process
of DOING, albeit not very well.
But hey, welcome to the New Age, baby.
>
> What I really come to usenet for and always have
is those few rare
> moments of inspiration. Really, if you really
want to know what
> you're talking about just search the Google usenet
archives on my name
> and keep going further and further back. The further
back you go the
> more you get to where I started, genuinely believing
that usenet, as a
> completely open communication medium could serve
the purpose of
> allowing the few rare good ideas to propagate and
take hold of people
> and lead to powerful grassroots movements that
existed not because the
> Right political/social/artistic/whatever group
backed them nor because
> they had the Right advertising campaign but simply
because they were
> GOOD IDEAS, and people, in the end, do recognize
good ideas as good
> ideas and worth propagating.
>
> Why not? The printing press had a similar effect,
not because of some
> intrinsic moral value of slapping ink on paper
but simply because it
> made it easier to propagate good ideas and good
ideas take root.
>
> At first I was interested in a fairly specific
topic which is now long
> since dead, and I gave up on that anyway. Then
for a good couple of
> years (or a bad couple of years, depending how
you look at it) I
> thought I would do better in the realm of pure
idea, pure change, the
> purely transcendental.
>
> However you slice it I really did try to find those
people who were
> genuinely inspired and I tried to inspire.
>
> The real hell of it is, I didn't fail. I found
what I was looking
> for. I found ideas that spark flames when exposed
to oxygen purely
> due to their intense catalytic power. I found
people whose ideas were
> capable of shaking the earth. I came into it believing
that in any
> generation where history records maybe 2 or 3 seminal
thinkers, there
> are dozens or hundreds who we never hear about
but who are not only as
> significant, but are vastly more significant in
their thoughts and
> ideas but doomed to be forgotten because the social
avenues by which
> ideas are preserved are controlled by those whose
interests are served
> by mediocrity and trivialization.
>
> And I found, as I had hoped, that a significant
number of people were
> infected by good ideas for the sake of good ideas,
and that in this
> electronic medium the forces of change could take
hold and take on a
> life of their own.
>
> But I completely failed to anticipate how really
powerful the forces
> of the dull and mediocre are. At how much of a
MAJORITY they
> represent.
>
> It had never occurred to me HOW MANY people there
are whose lives are
> dedicated, quite literally, to nothing but the
battle to ensure that
> what is mediocre and stupid prevails and what is
valuable and
> interesting is crushed.
>
> If that sounds melodramatic, you either haven't
been on usenet long
> enough, or you haven't thought about what you've
seen here.
>
> Inevitably, any really great moment I've seen on
usenet has been
> shouted out by:
>
> - First, an individual, usually somebody in a
position of petty
> authority in their own life, who spends all their
time on usenet doing
> nothing but find people trying to express something
inspiring or noble
> and fighting to break them down.
>
> Really, if you watch usenet at all, you will find
the people I'm
> talking about there. If you follow any group for
any length of time,
> you have seen somebody like this on it.
>
> This person is absolutely solid granite when it
comes to ensuring that
> EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SO MUCH AS GLANCES AT THAT
NEWSGROUP
> RECOGNIZES AND APPRECIATES THEIR POSITION OF SUPERIORITY
ON IT.
>
> And second, that person is easily identified in
that beyond their
> rock-solid proofs of their own UNSHAKEABLE RECTITUDE,
they do
> absolutely nothing but attack others for having
the temerity to have
> ANY OPINION AT ALL.
>
> - Second, a bleating group of pathetic sheep who
trail after him/her,
> nipping at the heels of any interloper who might
have inspired the
> leader's ire.
>
> It doesn't matter what kind of group it is. You
will see precisely
> the same recipe on every usenet newsgroup. Computer
operating
> systems. Programming languages. Politics. Religion.
Art. Science.
>
> You can follow any newsgroup for enough time and
apply the above to
> them with the precision of a measuring stick.
>
> So, maybe you're right. Maybe I spend too much
time attacking those I
> see as part of the forces of the self-inflicted
stupidity which seems
> to be humanity's choice. I think though that I
usually succeed, most
> of the time at least, in attacking exactly those
kinds of idiots who
> ensure that usenet is never capable of anything
but being the toilet
> stall wall of humanity. Those who stand for stupidity
for stupidity's
> sake.
>
> Not even STUPIDITY, because I don't really have
anything against
> somebody for being STUPID. We all have areas where
we are fucking
> stupid.
>
> But it's those who are sincerely fighting for their
own stupidity as
> if it were the rightful limit of everybody else.
>
> Those who are ANGERED when somebody transgresses
their particular set
> of sacred beliefs, when anybody questions the ABSOLUTE
RIGHTNESS of
> their Side which represents Truth.
>
> It represents a whole social class of humanity;
those who believe
> that RIGHTNESS is dependant on a kind of ordainment.
Like the college
> professor who is infuriated at a student challenging
his opinion on
> history or philosophy or politics. Not angered
because the student is
> rude or unreasonable, but because the STUDENT has
the TEMERITY to
> question a PROFESSOR.
>
> And maybe to some extent alt.slack is a nest of
trolls. To be honest
> though, from what I've seen the "trolling"
done from alt.slack is
> aimed at exactly that kind of BOARD-CERTIFIED FUCKING
IDIOT; and I
> would like to think I limit my own attacks on them.
>
> Nobody's perfect. I don't doubt sometimes I flame
the shit out of
> somebody simply because I can.
>
> The thing is though, it isn't a question of whether
that's right or
> wrong, to me. It just isn't FUNNY.
>
> The only time a flame fest is really funny is when
somebody IS so
> completely WRONG to even the most casual examination
and so completely
> CERTAIN that they are right because of WHO THEY
ARE OR WHAT SIDE
> THEY'RE ON.
>
> And in those cases, the longer they fight, the
funnier it gets.
>
> Imagine that you have a college chemistry professor.
And you set fire
> to him, literally. His clothes are on fire.
>
> And he is ARGUING until he's RED IN THE FACE that
it's just NOT
> POSSIBLE to catch rayon on fire.
>
> Maybe some part of most people would want to just
grab a fire
> extinguisher and put it out.
>
> And I suppose there is some limit where watching
a human being burn to
> death alive is just not funny anymore.
>
> But how long? How long can he keep arguing and
arguing, louder and
> louder, more and more ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of his
rightness while his
> clothes are crackling up around his ears before
it stops being funny?
>
> For my money, quite a while.
>
Some people didn't believe me when, in the past, I tried
to tell them
Dean wasn't just a clumsy high-school surrealist, but
an out-and-out
full-on Klassic Krackpot Krazy. That he's SERIOUS with
his bullshit.
Luckily, he's finally "come out" regarding
his role as the
spiritual/mental/physical/media liberator/teacher of
all mankind.
Otherwise you guys might have thought I was stretching
the truth
regarding his condition.
I think what happened is, a long time ago, he neglected
for a bit too
long to just drop in to see what condition his condition
was in. And
once that gets away from you... well. Turning around
after you've gone
THAT far, down THAT particular road, would be more humbling
than most
kooks can handle. I guess that's why they stay kooks.
As opposed to we nice ECCENTRICS (ahem). ((Sacred Scribe
Stang
straightens collar aristocratically and then resumes
Napoleon pose.))
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
wrote:
>I think what happened is, a long time ago, he neglected
for a bit too
>long to just drop in to see what condition his condition
was in. And
>once that gets away from you... well. Turning around
after you've gone
>THAT far, down THAT particular road, would be more
humbling than most
>kooks can handle. I guess that's why they stay kooks.
>
What's his name with the 111 numerology is the best
example of that.
If you go back far enough you can find old usenet stuff
where he is
still having a good time and has not yet "realized"
that he is the One
True Prophet of the Great Truth.
Since he delivered his Message though and found to his
surprise that
people didn't line up in droves to clutch at the hem
of his garment
about it, his whole life seems to have been converted
to fighting the
forces of E-Vil who are OBVIOUSLY the reason that his
great message
(whatever the fuck it is) hasn't been accepted.
Now he's desperately trolling for a fight about animal
rights
activism, which undoubtedly traces back in his mind
to the Great
Battle Against Evil.
I guess once you realize that God is speaking through
YOU and ONLY
YOU, once you have that kernel of kookdom solidy in
place, you either
give it up or spend the rest of your life trying to
argue reality into
conforming to your Vision..
>As opposed to we nice ECCENTRICS (ahem). ((Sacred
Scribe Stang
>straightens collar aristocratically and then resumes
Napoleon pose.))
Well any way you look at it, there's going to be a certain
irony in
pointing the finger at kooks when you belong to a church
that worships
a picture cut out of a comic book.
OOPS
I forgot, that isn't supposed to be revealed to anybody
less than
OT-77
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
Masturbation means not having to spring for dinner and
a movie.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
I can tell you aren't OT-88 yet, or you wouldn't have said "comic book."
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: shaft@postmark.net (you)
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
wrote:
> Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
wrote:
> > shaft@postmark.net (you) wrote:
> > >as opposed to you, ...a REAL troll making
pathetic attempts to
> > >antagonise everybody? this is troll central.
the reason y'all are
> > >here is cause you think you're smarter
than everyone, and feel heaping
> > >abuse on people proves your superiority.
> >
> > Well that's a tired but not illogical guess.
>
> It's also the ultimate in self-contradicting hoo-hah.
A proud Deanie
> who started posting here strictly to be antagonistic,
he calls US
> "TROLLS."
i've been reading material here for five years. just
admit you're
trolls. funny. you're the leader.
i love you. you just can't handle that truth, maybe?
> First off, HE'S HERE at "Troll Central".
And what's he doing here?
> Saying what we do is pathetic, telling us why we're
pathetic, telling
> us what we really think, and otherwise "proving
his superiority."
i never said what you do is pathetic. i never said
it was or wasn't
anything. i really do believe i'm you, so how can i
be either
inferior or superior?
> What he's berating for JUST HAPPENS to be what
he's in the very process
> of DOING, albeit not very well.
very insightful.
fortunately for my peace loving nature, wrong, though.
i have berated
nothing.
and, i'm not actually 'doing' anything.
> But hey, welcome to the New Age, baby.
no, no. YOU are welcome. may the sacred crystals of
spimfimfulon
powder your alter with the dust of enlightenment.
> Some people didn't believe me when, in the past,
I tried to tell them
> Dean wasn't just a clumsy high-school surrealist,
but an out-and-out
> full-on Klassic Krackpot Krazy. That he's SERIOUS
with his bullshit.
> Luckily, he's finally "come out" regarding
his role as the
> spiritual/mental/physical/media liberator/teacher
of all mankind.
> Otherwise you guys might have thought I was stretching
the truth
> regarding his condition.
hmmm. i wonder?
> I think what happened is, a long time ago, he neglected
for a bit too
> long to just drop in to see what condition his
condition was in. And
> once that gets away from you... well. Turning around
after you've gone
> THAT far, down THAT particular road, would be more
humbling than most
> kooks can handle. I guess that's why they stay
kooks.
i'm actually out on leave. i've been a good boy. no
shit paintings
for a whole month!
> As opposed to we nice ECCENTRICS (ahem). ((Sacred
Scribe Stang
> straightens collar aristocratically and then resumes
Napoleon pose.))
striking.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx)
"you" breathlessly murmured into stang's neck:
> i love you. you just can't handle that truth,
maybe?
o-o-o-o-o-o-o "i wuv yoo stang"
jesus murphy another one who choo-choo-chooses you.
man you must have a pecker the size of rhode island.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: shaft@postmark.net (you)
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> shaft@postmark.net (you) wrote:
JC: "But I completely failed to anticipate how
really powerful the
forces
of the dull and mediocre are. At how much of a MAJORITY
they
represent."
that was bootyfull, man. i agree with your post wholeheartly.
except
that i think everything is funny.
ad absurdum is a freind of mine. he's not trolling.
we're all just
moths drawn to the same fire. the phi-re of 'bob'?,
...perhaps.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>
you wrote:
>
> i think everything is funny.
People who "think everything is funny" are
never actually funny
themselves.
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From: smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx)
you wrote:
> except
> that i think everything is funny.
ever consider a career packing groceries and feeding cats?
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
Karl Marx <smellypoontang@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> "you" breathlessly murmured into stang's
neck:
>
> > i love you. you just can't handle that truth,
maybe?
>
> o-o-o-o-o-o-o "i wuv yoo stang"
>
> jesus murphy another one who choo-choo-chooses
you.
>
> man you must have a pecker the size of rhode island.
"Rhode Island? I could piss across Rhode Island."
-- actual quote from
my actual ancestor, Senator "Cotton Ed" Smith
I guess they figure, if Bob Dean's been sniffing at
my ass crack for 15
years, there must be something majorly "tactile"
to it.
"I love you and you can't handle it." Vapid
hippies come up with the
most stupidly INSINCERE insults. Like something a 14
year old girl
would say to her worst enemy in junior high, after
a weekend at church
camp. "I love you," dripping with venom. "But
you can't handle it.
(Nyah, ha ha!)"
Yeah, REAL "love," man.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote:
> you wrote:
> > i think everything is funny.
>
> People who "think everything is funny"
are never actually funny
> themselves.
Often these are the same people who "love"
you only when you "just
can't handle it," who are always TELLING you that
they have "a great
sense of humor" (as seen in 90% of unfunny personals
ads) and who
LOUDLY "don't take themselves seriously" while
carrying out petty
personal vendettas.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
wrote:
> Often these are the same people who "love"
you only when you "just
> can't handle it," who are always TELLING you
that they have "a great
> sense of humor" .... and who
> LOUDLY "don't take themselves seriously"
while carrying out petty
> personal vendettas.
You really should not say things like that; someone
will start making
a LIST. Then they'll give examples of why their choices
belong on it
and then the only beneficiaries will be whoever sells
shells for the
lowest price in town and most of us don't really want
to see a smile
on THAT aisle, no.
--
HellPope Huey
Being a SubGenius is like having a really DARK Epcot
going full-blast in your head ALL THE TIME,
although I can't sleep for s**t. Gimme an F!
"Faith guarantees nothing,
yet demands everything."
- "Photographing Fairies"
They'll take away my Church air
when they pry it from my cold, dead nostrils.
- Rev. Epoch
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: shaft@postmark.net (you)
nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com> wrote:
> you wrote:
> >
> > i think everything is funny.
>
> People who "think everything is funny"
are never actually funny
> themselves.
HAHAHA! oh that's rich! you are indeed a master of
jocularity.
oh, man.....giggle.....snort...
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From: shaft@postmark.net (you)
smellypoontang@fastmail.fm (Karl Marx) wrote:
> "you" breathlessly murmured into stang's
neck:
>
> > i love you. you just can't handle that truth,
maybe?
>
> o-o-o-o-o-o-o "i wuv yoo stang"
>
> jesus murphy another one who choo-choo-chooses
you.
>
> man you must have a pecker the size of rhode island.
i love you, too, sweetheart.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Passive aggressives should be shot.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
This isn't right. It isn't even wrong. -- Wolfgang Pauli,
on a paper submitted by a physicist colleague
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
>I can tell you aren't OT-88 yet, or you wouldn't have said "comic book."
And I guess that's ANOTHER thirty bucks, right?
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
Jesus started out as a man and has become clip art.
"Bob" started out as
clip art and has become a man.
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From: shaft@postmark.net (you)
hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey) wrote in message
news:<8cc8cffc.0404141434.6cd987ff@posting.google.com>...
> You really should not say things like that; someone
will start making
> a LIST. Then they'll give examples of why their
choices belong on it
> and then the only beneficiaries will be whoever
sells shells for the
> lowest price in town and most of us don't really
want to see a smile
> on THAT aisle, no.
you are right. LET"S MAKE A LIST!!!
first item, subgenii hip-waders.
how much love can hip-waders hold?
taking everything here on usenet too seriously, seems
a little
tighty(not 'slack' at all). i mean, sure, it's a meme
generator of
the highest caliber, but, when the preachers bangin'
your daughter,
you gotta wonder about his faith.
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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>
you wrote:
> HAHAHA! oh that's rich! you are indeed a master
of jocularity.
> oh, man.....giggle.....snort...
Like I said.
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From: shaft@postmark.net (you)
Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> Passive aggressives should be shot.
hey, dude. i like you. for real. i went to your site
and swam
through a corner of your mind. you're alright.
however, if you think i'm passive aggressive, you're
half right.
believe me, there's a little voice in my head that wants
me to type
out reams of explicatives, insults, belittlements, threats,
etc.
....just for fun, frankly, not cause i care(although
i do care, very
much).
but you must realise, that by saying i love you, i have
pushed a
button not pushed if i said i hate you, or you're an
idiot, or other
combatative behaviour. i don't mean anything i say.
i do relish in
the reactions, though. youse guys get so riled up!
it's fucking
hilarious!
my superego demands that i realise we are all products
of our
enviroment. even that stupid fucker, dawbya. or the
stupid fuckers
that hold the reigns of economic control. the stupid
fuckers that
cause our babies to kill our other babies, while we
cheer them on,
whilst eating kraft dinner. the stupid fuckers that
run the stupid
fucking world, stupid compartmentalised zealot fuckers.
we are machines, for the most part(ala gurdieff/ouspensky).
the
enviroment is what is unhealthy. it's making nasty
machines.
machines so bent on self serving their whims and desires,
that soon
they will destroy all sources of their own self-preservation.
so, what i am, is not as simple as passive aggressive.
it's more like
pass the salt and pepperive.
if you would prefer, i could just call you an asshole
to serve my own
need to be 'right', and you could put another label
from the hallowed
halls of psycho acedemia on me, and then i could say,
'you suck', and
then you could say,' take your meds', and then i could
say, 'vampires
are the DARKEST NUMBER!!!".
or you could drop the idea of guilt by association(i
love
dean/stang/your name here), and wake up to the idea,
that ideas are
not a competition for everyone.
some see a perfect diamond, others, a lump of dense
coal.
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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
If you think I'm an asshole, call me an asshole. If you don't, don't.
If that's too complicated your life will be difficult.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
You have to accept the possibility that God doesn't
like you.
Tyler Durden, FIGHT CLUB
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Pressure" <steveg@~DamnManNoSpam~moreslack.com>
We at alt.slack seem to get our fair share of certifiables.
We even get a
few hard-cases, the ones who should be on a thorazine
drip at a local public
hospital (and perhaps soon will be). I know that we
attract them because we
are, if not weirdos ourselves, certainly weirdo sympathizers.
I suspect
they come here looking for acceptance and are surprised
when they don't find
it among what they perceived as their peers. What strikes
me as odd is how
similar so many of these lost souls are. Are they all
really different
people? They arrive one day and post and post and post.
It's not just the
usual "look at me, I'm a weirdo too" stuff,
it's these wild, convoluted
rantings of a struggling mind looking to inflict itself
upon a group that
they've decided will eventually come to appreciate them.
I feel bad for Stang sometimes. He's often the one
who has to bear the
brunt of the rage these broken people exhibit when they
don't get the
acceptance they feel they're entitled to. I feel sorry
too for the
truthspeakers who have been known to offer supportive
words in the early
phases of the public decline of functionally insane.
I'm sure it's tough
some days to be Nenslo, Joe Cosby, Legume, Huey and
all those other voices
of reason (okay, reason is a little strong in Huey's
case but you know what
I mean) in the alt.slack wilderness.
No real point here, just a rambling rant.
Pressure
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From: mithril@iafrica.com (Grantland)
"Pressure" <steveg@~DamnManNoSpam~moreslack.com>
drenched his collar
in shit:
>suck suck suck.
Disgusting Bobbie. Disgusting. Wipe yer chin, boy. Ugh!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "Pressure" <steveg@~DamnManNoSpam~moreslack.com>
Sorry, keep trying, maybe someday even you can be added
to the list of
people I think are okay.
Christ, that bobbie thing is just so easy.
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>
Pressure <steveg@~DamnManNoSpam~moreslack.com>
wrote:
> We at alt.slack seem to get our fair share of certifiables.
We even get a
> few hard-cases, the ones who should be on a thorazine
drip at a local public
> hospital (and perhaps soon will be). I know that
we attract them because we
> are, if not weirdos ourselves, certainly weirdo
sympathizers. I suspect
> they come here looking for acceptance and are surprised
when they don't find
> it among what they perceived as their peers. What
strikes me as odd is how
> similar so many of these lost souls are. Are they
all really different
> people?
In a couple of cases, they're not.
> They arrive one day and post and post and post.
It's not just the
> usual "look at me, I'm a weirdo too"
stuff, it's these wild, convoluted
> rantings of a struggling mind looking to inflict
itself upon a group that
> they've decided will eventually come to appreciate
them.
>
> I feel bad for Stang sometimes. He's often the
one who has to bear the
> brunt of the rage these broken people exhibit when
they don't get the
> acceptance they feel they're entitled to.
The problem is, they want a LOT more than just acceptance.
Mere
acceptance is in no wise good enough for the righteous
and ambitious
crackpot.
> I feel sorry too for the
> truthspeakers who have been known to offer supportive
words in the early
> phases of the public decline of functionally insane.
I'm sure it's tough
> some days to be Nenslo, Joe Cosby, Legume, Huey
and all those other voices
> of reason (okay, reason is a little strong in Huey's
case but you know what
> I mean) in the alt.slack wilderness.
>
> No real point here, just a rambling rant.
There's a lot of that going around. Thanks for noticing, though.
I'm surprised you didn't get torn to shreds for this
one by the people
who think that making any kind of compassionate or comprehensible
statement, or even the use of decent spelling, is some
kind of
reprehensible sell-out to The Man. At least, that APPEARS
to be what
they're ATTEMPTING to say.
--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath
of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
PRABOB
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
They only go after YOU.
See if God is talking to you and only you (i.e., the
pot bearing the
cracks) and the world isn't accepting you for the INSPIRED
VISIONARY
that God is assuring you that you are, then there must
be some REASON
why people don't accept you.
So you (you, Stang, not you, pot) are seen as the E-VIL
one who must
be behind it all. They see you as a kind of authority
figure within
the church. That's why ALL of them (them, the pots)
have at one time
or another accused you of "commanding your followers
to turn against
them" (them, the pots) at one time or another.
Or words to that
effect. As if any of us (us, the cracked but KNOWING
we're cracked)
would really listen to your ass one way or another if
we thought you
were full of crap. I mean, nothing personal, but I
don't really think
most subgeniuses are real big on the "following
the leader blindly"
thing.
Look at the bright side, some people have to work a
lot harder than
that to get promoted to Satan.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
He's a ripoff artist. Let's not get anti-semitic here
though. Let's just
suffice to say that the western world decided to make
their ultimate
cosmic ruler the same race as the one race which they
distrust the
most and have persecuted the most viciously and consistently.
If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know
about human nature, you
just haven't been keeping score.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
As if any of us (us, the cracked but KNOWING we're cracked)
I don't THINK so.
Bob Dobbs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
"purple" <purple@tellurian.com> wrote:
> I don't THINK so.
http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
~Salacia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
"HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
I know what you mean.
Bob Dobbs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
http://tinyurl.com/2gxng
~Salacia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
>>
>> I know what you mean.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2gxng
http://www.mcluhaninstitute.org/baedeker/bobs_charts/tiny_note_chart.htm
Bob Dobbs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
> >>>> I don't THINK so.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
> >>
> >> I know what you mean.
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2gxng
>
> http://www.mcluhaninstitute.org/baedeker/bobs_charts/tiny_note_chart.htm
http://tinyurl.com/2pqp2
~Salacia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
>>>>>> I don't THINK so.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
>>>>
>>>> I know what you mean.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2gxng
>>
>> http://www.mcluhaninstitute.org/baedeker/bobs_charts/tiny_note_chart.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2pqp2
http://www.krockradio.com/
Bob Dobbs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
> >>>>>> I don't THINK so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
> >>>>
> >>>> I know what you mean.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/2gxng
> >>
> >>
http://www.mcluhaninstitute.org/baedeker/bobs_charts/tiny_note_chart.htm
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/2pqp2
> http://www.krockradio.com/
http://www.canucksabroad.com/
~Salacia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "nikolai kingsley" <nikolai@broadway.net.au>
> > I feel bad for Stang sometimes. He's often
the one who has to bear the
> > brunt of the rage these broken people exhibit
when they don't get the
> > acceptance they feel they're entitled to.
> The problem is, they want a LOT more than just
acceptance. Mere
> acceptance is in no wise good enough for the righteous
and ambitious
> crackpot.
i've got it! Rev. Stang is, in fact, the Pope in Rome.
he created the Church
of the SubGenius to divert the kooks from harassing
the Catlick Church.
hurrah! the universe makes sense, now.
nikolai
--
"come on, let me feel special - ow, ow, i burned
myself." - Thalia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't THINK
so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know what you mean.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2gxng
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> http://www.mcluhaninstitute.org/baedeker/bobs_charts/tiny_note_chart.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2pqp2
>>>>
>>>> http://www.krockradio.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.canucksabroad.com/
>>
>>
>> http://www.spitfirelist.com/ftr.html
>>
>
> http://www.hockeyfights.com
http://www.maebrussell.com/
Bob Dobbs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "HdMrs. Salacia the Overseer" <SeventhSqueal@SlowOnTheUptake.edu>
> >>>>>>>>>> As if
any of us (us, the cracked but KNOWING we're cracked)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I don't
THINK so.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I know what you
mean.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2gxng
> >>>>>>
http://www.mcluhaninstitute.org/baedeker/bobs_charts/tiny_note_chart.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2pqp2
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.krockradio.com/
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.canucksabroad.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.spitfirelist.com/ftr.html
> >>
> >
> > http://www.hockeyfights.com
>
>
> http://www.maebrussell.com/
http://tinyurl.com/2lr6y
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: purple <purple@tellurian.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't
THINK so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2mcd8
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know what
you mean.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2gxng
>>>>>>>>
> http://www.mcluhaninstitute.org/baedeker/bobs_charts/tiny_note_chart.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2pqp2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.krockradio.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.canucksabroad.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.spitfirelist.com/ftr.html
>>>>
>>> http://www.hockeyfights.com
>>
>> http://www.maebrussell.com/
>>
> http://tinyurl.com/2lr6y
http://www.yeastconnection.com/
Bob Dobbs
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: shaft@postmark.net (you)
"nikolai kingsley" <nikolai@broadway.net.au>
wrote:
> > > I feel bad for Stang sometimes. He's
often the one who has to bear the
> > > brunt of the rage these broken people
exhibit when they don't get the
> > > acceptance they feel they're entitled
to.
> >
> > The problem is, they want a LOT more than
just acceptance. Mere
> > acceptance is in no wise good enough for the
righteous and ambitious
> > crackpot.
>
> i've got it! Rev. Stang is, in fact, the Pope in
Rome. he created the Church
> of the SubGenius to divert the kooks from harassing
the Catlick Church.
>
> hurrah! the universe makes sense, now.
>
> nikolai
acceptance? how does you spell BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA?
broke, but not broken.
stang might be the pipe in rome, but certainly not that
'weekend at
the vatican' dead guy on puppet strings.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
>We at alt.slack seem to get our fair share of certifiables.
We even get a
>few hard-cases, the ones who should be on a thorazine
drip at a local public
>hospital (and perhaps soon will be). I know that
we attract them because we
>are, if not weirdos ourselves, certainly weirdo
sympathizers. I suspect
>they come here looking for acceptance and are surprised
when they don't find
>it among what they perceived as their peers. What
strikes me as odd is how
>similar so many of these lost souls are. Are they
all really different
>people? They arrive one day and post and post and
post. It's not just the
>usual "look at me, I'm a weirdo too" stuff,
it's these wild, convoluted
>rantings of a struggling mind looking to inflict
itself upon a group that
>they've decided will eventually come to appreciate
them.
>
>I feel bad for Stang sometimes. He's often the
one who has to bear the
>brunt of the rage these broken people exhibit when
they don't get the
>acceptance they feel they're entitled to. I feel
sorry too for the
>truthspeakers who have been known to offer supportive
words in the early
>phases of the public decline of functionally insane.
I'm sure it's tough
>some days to be Nenslo, Joe Cosby, Legume, Huey
and all those other voices
>of reason (okay, reason is a little strong in Huey's
case but you know what
>I mean) in the alt.slack wilderness.
>
>No real point here, just a rambling rant.
>
>Pressure
I come here because it's the only place I've seen real
intelligence (which must
by definition include humor). Scary thought, but there
it is.
Real social issues, insight and even compassion too.
Amidst the psychosis,
butt fucking posts and anti-socials in training of course.
I like broken people. I like them better than "normal"
people. They are at
least more interesting.
I also like the wild rantings of struggling minds. They're
nice take off points
for the wild rantings of my own. Outerspace is fun.
Explain to me why focusing
on Subway's new garlic almond spinach salad basketball
player pitch is better.
Best of all, the scary bunch here write so much better
than me. I don't have
to tax my brain and recall formal logic, Cosby will
do it for me. I don't have
to struggle to write edgy witty essays, I can just read
Hell Pope. Hell, I
don't even have to indulge my misanthropy because I
know Nenslo will beat me to
it.
Plus I like the fact that there are people here so deviant
it should scare the
mother freaking crap out of a little piss ant like me.
Uh oh, I think I might shed a tear.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: kdetal@aol.com (KD et al)
>What I really come to usenet for and always have
is those few rare
>moments of inspiration. Really, if you really want
to know what
>you're talking about just search the Google usenet
archives on my name
>and keep going further and further back. The further
back you go the
>more you get to where I started, genuinely believing
that usenet, as a
>completely open communication medium could serve
the purpose of
>allowing the few rare good ideas to propagate and
take hold of people
>and lead to powerful grassroots movements that existed
not because the
>Right political/social/artistic/whatever group backed
them nor because
>they had the Right advertising campaign but simply
because they were
>GOOD IDEAS, and people, in the end, do recognize
good ideas as good
>ideas and worth propagating.
>
>Why not? The printing press had a similar effect,
not because of some
>intrinsic moral value of slapping ink on paper but
simply because it
>made it easier to propagate good ideas and good
ideas take root.
>
>At first I was interested in a fairly specific topic
which is now long
>since dead, and I gave up on that anyway. Then
for a good couple of
>years (or a bad couple of years, depending how you
look at it) I
>thought I would do better in the realm of pure idea,
pure change, the
>purely transcendental.
>
>However you slice it I really did try to find those
people who were
>genuinely inspired and I tried to inspire.
>
>The real hell of it is, I didn't fail. I found
what I was looking
>for. I found ideas that spark flames when exposed
to oxygen purely
>due to their intense catalytic power. I found people
whose ideas were
>capable of shaking the earth. I came into it believing
that in any
>generation where history records maybe 2 or 3 seminal
thinkers, there
>are dozens or hundreds who we never hear about but
who are not only as
>significant, but are vastly more significant in
their thoughts and
>ideas but doomed to be forgotten because the social
avenues by which
>ideas are preserved are controlled by those whose
interests are served
>by mediocrity and trivialization.
>
>And I found, as I had hoped, that a significant
number of people were
>infected by good ideas for the sake of good ideas,
and that in this
>electronic medium the forces of change could take
hold and take on a
>life of their own.
>
>But I completely failed to anticipate how really
powerful the forces
>of the dull and mediocre are. At how much of a
MAJORITY they
>represent.
>
>It had never occurred to me HOW MANY people there
are whose lives are
>dedicated, quite literally, to nothing but the battle
to ensure that
>what is mediocre and stupid prevails and what is
valuable and
>interesting is crushed.
>
>If that sounds melodramatic, you either haven't
been on usenet long
>enough, or you haven't thought about what you've
seen here.
>
>Inevitably, any really great moment I've seen on
usenet has been
>shouted out by:
>
> - First, an individual, usually somebody in a position
of petty
>authority in their own life, who spends all their
time on usenet doing
>nothing but find people trying to express something
inspiring or noble
>and fighting to break them down.
>
>Really, if you watch usenet at all, you will find
the people I'm
>talking about there. If you follow any group for
any length of time,
>you have seen somebody like this on it.
>
>This person is absolutely solid granite when it
comes to ensuring that
>EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO SO MUCH AS GLANCES AT THAT
NEWSGROUP
>RECOGNIZES AND APPRECIATES THEIR POSITION OF SUPERIORITY
ON IT.
>
>And second, that person is easily identified in
that beyond their
>rock-solid proofs of their own UNSHAKEABLE RECTITUDE,
they do
>absolutely nothing but attack others for having
the temerity to have
>ANY OPINION AT ALL.
>
> - Second, a bleating group of pathetic sheep who
trail after him/her,
>nipping at the heels of any interloper who might
have inspired the
>leader's ire.
>
>It doesn't matter what kind of group it is. You
will see precisely
>the same recipe on every usenet newsgroup. Computer
operating
>systems. Programming languages. Politics. Religion.
Art. Science.
See, like, I didn't have to write this. Someone else did.
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