Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n

From: Hardly Boffin <hardlyboffin@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, Mar 18, 2004 1:08 PM
Message-ID: <105jph4q1ivhc18@corp.supernews.com>

This is a re-group and repost for obvious 'operator head space' issues
in sending the previously intended 'first real usenet' post. The file
attatched if a single .OOG file of my position. The actual meat of this
issue is ACTUALLY VOICED there. If you desire to hear my views. Please
listen to that. Thank you Bucky for the inspiration to get interested in
OGG. I Think i'll convert EVERYTHING i own to it as soon as possiable.

wh00p.. NNTP Error alt.slack does not allow binaries. indeed.
Please see alt.binaries.slack for attatchment with same thread topic

Learning curves are fun. My orgional letter was sent to a.b.s. a
week ago (with madfucktup headers/attatchment), using Mozilla - i
trashed that post all to fuck with premature click of the |SEND| when
the client header info wasn't properlly setup. I think i got all the
switches right this time and wrote a piece to accompany the above
explained audiophile.

Trolls and the such are welcome, as i just won't bother to read or reply
to them. Sorry troll types; seems it's all i can handle just to save and
edit a post properly over the_few_days it takes me to compose and send
them; if you're just responding to bait me; i wont't reply to you. As
always your welcome to join me in a forum where im comfortable.
http://www.subgeniusnetworks.org - this is a newsgroup. this is 'erm,
"news".

This attatched audio is essencially just a closed letter to 'Bucky' of
Fef.net #SubGenius. Closed because it's the current culmination result
of the compleatly childish behavior between parties who would supposedly
seek to preform a task for a business entity. I've tried to arrange logs
so that anyone who wishes can asertain the truth behind the poorly
proposed 3am lies in which i continue to be the target of attempted
politically motivated character assasination. I can't however attatch
them to this letter as it's not the purpose of this letter to prove
anything; just speak civily to Bucky in hopes to explain to him what he
did and why I did what i did. and who 'We are. I hope you well.

The event in particular i speak of as 'actions of later that evening':
'Bucky's slandarous remarks about 'members' of our organization; who
continue to be wrongfully accused of anything these 'non-agents' of 'The
Church of the' subgenius care to devise or beleive they can get away with.

I say 'members' when speaking about our folks, because there is no
actual such thing; all our members refuse to be inclded in their own
organization officially (except to propigate it with cash and resources
of course); and i say 'non-agents' about 'THEM, because the individuals
in question who continue to attack us with these lies are acting on
their own; for what we can only fathom is a personal agenda to get
brownie points with official relations of the SubGenius Foundation.

In essence the sole purpose(s) of this post are to:
1. Make public proclaimation and bring prof that there is an unjust and
uncalled for propiganda campaign against any 'member in charge' of
SubGenius Networks being perpertrated and propigated by 'members within
the Church of the SubGenius in a smear campaign for _some_ purpose.
2. Act as a finalword on the matter as to how we will deal with such
actions perpertrated against the good users and how it might ultimately
effect the SubGenius Foundation as well as SubGenius Networks.

--
For his actions elsewhere i've klined his hostmask from.. and he is not
welcome to.. connect on SubGenius Networks IRC Network as we don't have
the resources to police or repare any damage his lies and slandar might
cause on our character as a whole.

For the benifit of the uninitiated and therefore unenlightened.
SubGenius Networks is a global collective of sub culture artists.
Formed in 1995/96 when one member of 'The church of the SubGenius' said
to another member of the same organization - very late at night tripping
on LSD while watching Night Flight.. "Ya know what we are? were a
Network of SubGenius'..." -the rest is history.

You don't have to agree with me - Its not a condition which has any
bearing on the facts. These facts that i wont go into here today as it's
not the proper time of forum.

Please listen to the attached audio file and i'll reply in form with the
logs so that the truth can be atleast free if not debated.

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From: Leonard the Committed <ccssk@ccssk.doesntexist>

How come you tried to sound like a lawyer in this post?

Spell check is your friend!

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From: bobdiddley@aol.com (Bobdiddley)

Here's another instance, sort of in the same vein, although I do know who Bucky
is, but I have no idea of the characters in this sordid scenario...warning!
contains freemasonry...
http://www.qouest.net/news/messages/32034821.html

What puzzles me most, is who do they think is going to reply to this stuff?

======================================================
"Pull the wool over their eyes, if they can't take a joke." - Dobbs Biddley

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From: "Bucky" <bucky@subgenius.com>

I've posted a reply over on a.b.s if anyone's interested.
(shit, I'm not even interested anymore)

Sorry about the kook, I didn't know he'd drag this into alt.slack.

Later,

Bucky
Canadian SubGenius Drinking Team
http://members.rogers.com/bucky1/

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

I'm glad that Hardly is trying to present his case in a dispute. I
could offer my guesses about this, but it would be much better if
Hardly speaks for himself. In fact, for those interested in real-life
behind-the-scenes SubGenius stories, and some of the psychological
ramifications that can come of unusual interpretations of the entire
nature of "Bob's" church, I would strongly recommend a close look at
anything Hardly presents about it on his website. There's a response
there from Saint Bucky already, which sheds some light on this very
interesting subject.

In Saint Bucky's defense, I might say that I have worked with the him
and have found Saint Bucky to be as "level-headed" as most of the
SubGenii that I choose to deliberately hang out with, or do HTML with.
(Take that as you will -- to some, that might not be saying much.) He
definitely has a sense of humor. He and I have been jointly fiddling
with some upcoming much-needed technical improvements and updates to
SubSITE.

I have also met Hardly a couple of times, but again, for me to offer an
explanation of events might seem a bit prejudicial, and I would very
VERY much rather see Hardly Boffin's grievances and plans expressed in
his own inimitable words, from his own unique point of view.

Hardly is writing partly about something he posted to
alt.binaries.slack last week. He seems to think it didn't go through
Usenet correctly. It did for me, but in case it didn't for everybody,
here is the short text part of it:

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"Subject: An Open Letter to to all Bucky."

"Text is posted on uberboard
http://tinyurl.com/2d74g <-- if you cant listen.ogg style."

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That was Hardly's whole post --just that line of text and link,with an
OGG audio file attached, which I downloaded and opened. The audio file
sounded like speeded-up talking. REALLY speeded up. The info window of
my Quicktime program displayed a text instruction: "Convert by Advanced
MP3 Converter."

So, I exported the OGG sound to a format I could work with, put it in a
fancy sound program and reduced the pitch/duration by 1200 percent. Not
enough. I tried another 1200 percent and, by gobbs, that was it, right
on the money.

The audio file, once slowed to its original speed, is a recitation from
one of those text-reading program voices. Like when you paste a goofy
text paragraph into it, and out comes a computer voice "reading" the
text. The "Steven Hawkings" effect. You have to tweak certain vowel
sounds or they come out wrong. Anyway, this uniquely scrambled OGG
file, once unscrambled, was the same rant as in the text file accessed
by that link above that Hardly posted -- spoken by a machine, in that
staccato way.

It was an Open Letter, so I guess it's okay if a reprint the text
below.

**************************************

An Open Letter to to all Bucky.

Posted: Mar 15, 2004 - 12:43 PM

Quote:*** Bucky (~bucky@frop-2E865DFE.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has
left IRC *** Permanent K:Line added on Mon Mar 15 12:53:06 2004 GMT
(Repeated Baiting & Intentionally Malicious Slander).

Bucky:
There's much that's just false which you seem to allude to understand
to be truth; and much i can not expend time to enlighten you to. But if
you did care to understand, and we're civil with me i'd of done my best
to dispell the errors in what you 'know', and try and explain -what it
is 'WE' are, and moreover I.. am doing. However, just engaging me on
issues you know will get a rise out of me for -why ever you do it; is
useless to me and i refuse to be a party to it. It may be common
practice in the 'Church to bait and troll; but it's not a practice of
mine to get to involved with the activity. I choose not waste the
effort. Especially when those actions cruelly and maliciously effect
those i consider brothers.

It is my intention to show those who want to know, or already do know,
what it is -this crusade ive joined is. The crusade and the
organization which in many's opinion, rightfully bears the word
currently and obviously a hot issue to you.

It's because i was not prepared for heated exchange with children who
are just trolling for a rise or who have no interest in understanding,
that i lost my cool in dealing with you the first time tonight. If you
want to be ignorant; who should i be to stop you. I do believe that
people have the right to speak their mind, just as i stand by my right
to kill you for what i perceive to be your ignorance now as well as
then. It's obvious to me that it is your way, as this is obviously
mine. Your a SUBGENIUS.. so am i. If i want to kill you i just might.
But as a SUBGENIUS, we both now you'll be back. It's our way.

The actions however which followed later on that evening, which i was
made aware of via relay, proved to me that your actions tonight as well
as numerous times in past, are not only based on 'Church political
bias' but of outright malicious and fraudulent intents to the point of
being a liability to the creditability of those who i've taken up with
as well as individually libelous to me.

And as we're all so very fond of recanting..
'It's Only IRC'. And as such.. You're only banned from connecting to
the network you are evidentially bent on conspiring against; so it
shouldn't be much of a thing that you are unable to connect. You, as
well as anyone who isn't interested in assisting in the common Slack of
the global collective of 'SUBGENIUS' or would otherwise exist only to
hamper; are here by un-welcome.

SubGenius Networks is a global benevolent and fraternal order; a group
of people who share resources and a dedicated and progressive attitude
towards SubCulture. If you just can't 'get it there is nothing more i
care to try, nor anymore i have to say.

Quote:

be.nev.o.lent
adj.
1. Characterized by or suggestive of doing good.
2. Of, concerned with, or organized for the benefit of charity.

Synonyms: benevolent, charitable, eleemosynary, philanthropic

These adjectives mean of, concerned with, providing, or provided by
charity: a benevolent fund; a charitable foundation; eleemosynary
relief; philanthropic contributions. See also synonyms at kind.

-------------------------------
fra.ter.nal
adj.
1.
1. Of or relating to brothers: a close fraternal tie.
2. Showing comradeship; brotherly.

-------------------------------
order
n.
1. The established system of social organization

-------------------------------
den.i.zen
n.
1. An inhabitant; a resident.
2. One that frequents a particular place: a bar and its denizens.

_________________
Hardly Boffin
Interdimentional Faith Assembly of "Bob".
#17 Tower Road - Undertowers, Westmarc

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end of open letter

Stang speaking again.

Wei and I have been puzzling as to why the word "denizen" is defined
there at the end, since it isn't used in the formal statement that the
rest of the definitions refer to. A freebie perhaps.

I have several faxes from Hardly which are very similarly phrased in
places, but concern a different problem, or what I guess to be a
different problem. To tell the truth, I personally am unsure what the
hell Hardly is talking about in this particular instance.

I hope Hardly follows up with more posts to alt.slack, or else
continues to discuss his situation on his website, because there are
aspects of this story which, to put it delicately, might fascinate some
types of scholars, and make it worth observing.

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)

PRABOB

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

> Sometimes it's fun to look through a long post and find the best *juicy*
> parts....
>
> --Ankara
>

There's more interesting revelation at
http://www.subgeniusnetworks.org/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&
p=148

Say, on a technical note, how does one do those "tiny urls"? 'Cause I
know that long one's gonna line-break all crazy-like.

--

PRABOB

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: "Bucky" <bucky@subgenius.com>

Why, you simply use http://tinurl.com of course! They've basically got a
bunch of different ways to do it, it depends on the browser and operating
system you use. Myself, I just navigate myself to a webpage and hit a button
on my browser toolbar, the tinurl is then copied to my clipboard for easy
pasting into whatever I wanna paste it into. But that's only on the windows
machine running xp. It works from a mac, though, you just have to manually
copy the url out of your address bar, paste it into a box on tinurl.com and
then copy and paste the tiny output. Or something, it's been a while since
I've done it on a mac.

As for your interest in the developing story, it's not really anything new
to you (Stang). Although I'm sure that not everyone knows who these guys
are. So a little back-story might be needed, just to drag a few more
skeletons out of hardly's closet. A few months back (october maybe) I
decided to go check out what this "subgenius" irc network was all about.
Among the things that I discovered: they insist that they've no relation to
the Church of the SubGenius(r) although they proudly display a pipesmoking
face on the front page of their website (a coincidence, perhaps). Oh, and
they attend X-Day and other SubGenius events. And wouldn't you know it, a
quick look on Cafepress showed that there were "SubGenius Networks / Church
of the SubGenius" products available! Well, friends, let me tell you I was
shocked, I truly was amazed that these guys could so blatantly be ripping
off the Church of the SubGenius. Why, one would have to be quite far gone
indeed to think they could rip off J.R. "Bob" Dobbs, The Church of the
SubGenius(r), the SubGenius Foundation, and yeti across the globe who realize
that the SHEER POWER of that FACE is not to be trifled with. But, thing
being what they are these days, with Stang not having time to chase down
every kook who abuses the name or the face that we all know and fear, I
decided not to breach the subject to him, but rather to just poke fun at the
kook who was perpetrating this great injustice against *my* chosen religion.
I politely pointed out to Hardly that he was selling things on CafePress
with a trademark on them that belonged to someone else. He rambled on a bit
about various excuses, but within a few days, he conceded, and took the
products off CafePress. After all that rambling and raving on his part,
however, I decided he was nuts, and having already "scored one for the
church" I decided to let it drop.

After moving to New Jersey for a while, and being off the net for several
months, I returned to irc to find that hardly and his "other
personality/bot" were in my favourite irc channel, #subgenius on fef.net.
They might have been there when I left, but I certainly didn't remember them
being there for most of the time I was there last year. I figured it
couldn't be all that bad, and when the opportunity to join a new node of his
network arose (a short lived venture by Ankara) I wandered back to
subgenius.net irc for a short while. Well, the rest, as they say, is
history. Hardly take great offence to any mention of The Church of the
SubGenius(r), the sacred PO Box, and a great many number of other things, so
it got kind of out of hand.

For those of you who're interested, I'm sure he's got some interesting logs
of the time I spent there, although I'm not sure as to how much I'd trust
his log making skills. If you're REALLY keen on finding out a little bit
more about Hardly, SgtBonko, and irc logs; google around for some of the
posts involving Hardly and Bonko in alt.slack. There's a ton of stuff on
there, as I recently noticed.

So in summation: he's a nut. A kook, and I'm trying real real hard (honest,
ma) not to drive him completely insane, although I'm sure it wouldn't take
much. On that note, here's my last thought (for now, anyways) on the matter:
Hardly claims not to be a member of The Church of the SubGenius(r) most of the
time. This is okay, I personally don't think that it'll hurt the church to
lose a kook now and again. But why does he continue to do things like
registering the domain "dobbsco"? It's easy to miss, but at the bottom of
any subgeniusnetworks.org page it says "SubGenius Networks is a service mark
of DobbsCo." Click the dobbsco link, and you'll find that he's "squatting"
on dobbsco.com. kind of a dumb thing to do (for someone who insists that
they want nothing to do with The Church of the SubGenius(r)).

But hey, kooks do what kooks do, I just sit off to the side and giggle at
them (most of the time).

Later,

Bucky
Canadian SubGenius Drinking Team
http://members.rogers.com/bucky1/

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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>

In article <105ka246qnjmo90@corp.supernews.com>, Hardly Boffin
<hardlyboffin@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Learning curves are fun.

No they're not

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From: Jarto <frickingfrick@frick.com>

Curves are fun.

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From: Klyf Fenderson <blargh3TURNIP@lycos.com>

Especially the ones on a woman.

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>

snip
>very late at night tripping on LSD

LSD is for kids. Real Subgenii do heroin.

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: KRONOS <null@void.com>

I have not the slightest idea what this thread is about nor the
slightest interest in finding out what it is about.

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

I agree with this post.

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

It does cover painfully familiar ground, that's for sure.

--

PRABOB

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: Doktor DynaSoar <targeting@OMCL.mil>

You've all jumped the rails. Please redirect all future useless
traffic regarding not knowing where you're at to the thread "I Have
Nothing To Say".

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From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack

I agree with this post.

--
"In a way, I see posting to alt.slack as being like pitching duck
food into a pond. The ducks may eat it, or they may miss it and a
fish will eat it, or it may just turn into gooey black muck on the
bottom. In any event, the best thing that will occur is either duck
shit, fish shit, or gooey black muck." -- nu-monet v6.0

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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>

> I have not the slightest idea what this thread is about nor the
> slightest interest in finding out what it is about.

Having tried, I am left feeling slightly soiled and sticky.... so I agree
with this post.

Someday a rain of SMITE will come....

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: Cardinal Vertigo <jhobbs@myrealbox.com>

KRONOS wrote:

> I have not the slightest idea what this thread is about nor the
> slightest interest in finding out what it is about.

I read up to this point and now I feel like I can make an informed
decision. So:

I agree with this post.

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

Why do people like Hardly always post in Italian? I don't speak
Italian. Besides, you should never publically flip out in this Church.
You'll always be lost in the roar. Roaring in Italian does not help.
All you hear is the noise and the waving hands are annoying. Anyway,
even if Bucky is wrong in some way, he's nicer, so fuck you,
EIEIEIEIE!!!! See how easy it is?

HellPope Huey
These Hulk Underoos are WAY too tight, oog!

"She's either hot for you or dangerously psychotic."
"With my luck, probably both."
- "Judging Amy"

When a man steals your wife,
there is no better revenge than to let him keep her.
- Sacha Guitry

_ __/|
\`O_o'
=(_ _)= - Ack! Phttpt!!
U

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgeniusNOSPUM.com>

Huey, you were at a Tampa Bay devival a few years back and ranted on
stage. Think back. Do you remember what troublesome, ridiculously
ill-timed backstage event distracted me from hearing your rant (and
from getting a good recording of it)?

A hint: it wasn't Bucky.

--

PRABOB

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

Shit, now I want to kill BOTH of you. I started to step in for a
moment and gently encourage you to remember that as the little wanker
looked like Janor and smelled like a giant foot, he probably wasn't
worth the aneurysm Wei seemed REALLY WORRIED that you were about to
have. We DO sorta show up in YOUR name, like it r' not and rages are
usually only slightly Slackful. Not the most joyous moment you've ever
had, I wager. However, I declined to intervene, not wanting to have my
remaining hair fried clean offa my head. I know I love it when I am a
micron away from biting someone's goddamned nose clean off. They taste
pretty bad overall, BTW.

Yep, that's what I always hope for at a Devival: somebody screaming
at someone, particularly if its me for no tangible reason. Extra
points off when someone brackets you and babbles on about some
incredibly vacuous horseshit that makes newsgroups seem like a good
Stanford lecture. TRIPLE extra points off if you know them to
otherwise be intelligent.

Hardly is a good nickname for the little shit. Be on report, kid.
While I am a chronic heterosexual, if I ever see you at an event
again, I'm gonna fuck you in the ass so hard, you'll GROW a vagina and
then I'll lead you around on a little rope, making you sell yourself
for cigarettes, even though I do not smoke. You're a walking case of
irritable bowel syndrome. TRUST me in this: you do NOT wanna become
the new purple. We know where you live and we take turns giving you
the Hunky-Hunky Japanese Sex Baboon Treatment.

Goddamnit, you've put me right off my fettucini. Feh, I say, FEH!

HellPope Huey
These Hulk Underoos are WAY too tight, oog!

"She's either hot for you or dangerously psychotic."
"With my luck, probably both."
- "Judging Amy"

When a man steals your wife,
there is no better revenge than to let him keep her.
- Sacha Guitry

_ __/|
\`O_o'
=(_ _)= - Ack! Phttpt!!
U

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Subject: Re: Open Letter 2 Bucky : aka/not so HiP@UseNet'n
From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

This Huey fellow has a terrible attitude. He needs a kick in the
cloaca and some Haldol.

HellPope Huey
Crouching HellPope, Hidden PillMonkey

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb
voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- Benjamin Franklin 1759

"The Law is mighty stupid in its implementation
and slower than a Special Olympics medal winner
playing chess with a Simpsons set.
- HellPope Huey

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