From: Baldin Pramer <baldin@mailtoworld.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 23, 2004
What is the difference between a manservant and a butler?
I need to know
in case .... uh, .... in case things work out.
--
Baldin Pramer, L.S.M.F.T.
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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahoox.com>
Look it up. You're a doctor, you should know how to look stuff up.
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From: Baldin Pramer <baldin@mailtoworld.com>
That is not the point of asking a subgenius expert.
--
Baldin Pramer, Ph.D., L.S.M.F.T.
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From: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
The Butler is capaple of running the complete estate/household
to include the
supervision of the others on the staff. Many alsoa ct
as persoanl secretaries
to their employers.
The Man Servent is just another name for a male maid.
He Cleans the House,
sucks your cock, fucks you up the ass, then does the
dishes.
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
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From: ridetheory@gmail.com (ignatz topo)
So Alfred is a butler, and Batman is a manservant?
iggy
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From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Baldin Pramer wrote:
> What is the difference between a manservant
> and a butler? I need to know in case .... uh,
> .... in case things work out.
A manservant is a valet, plus a public assistant.
He is involved in the personal affairs of his
employer, such as seeing to his dress, delivering
personal messages, and as a general gofer. In a
more formal role, he is like a one-man entourage,
accompaning his employer in public. His duties
generally do not cross over to business interests.
He is a PDA for those who do not carry PDAs. He
usually lives in the main quarters, available to
his employer 24/7. Usually a manservant is
unmarried. His female equivalent is a handmaiden.
A butler is the head servant of the household.
He directs other staff in housekeeping duties and
personnel matters, such as pay and employment.
He also acts as liason with other households in
arranging social events. He is often married to
the housekeeper, sort of his female equivalent,
and they may live in the servants' quarters of
the main house, or in a separate house. They may
also have regular hours, and days off.
--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet
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From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
> How lucrative is the personal service trade these
days?
It depends on the job. A "personal assistant",
what was
called a manservant, is about on a par with a "personal
secretary". You would most likely work for a celebrity
and your fortunes would rise and fall with theirs.
In
the US, it is more administrative in nature.
A butler can command some fierce pay. But even so,
they
are rare, again with the American problem. Most are
kept
by the Old Money families, and discreetly. Butlers
are
almost never seen in public--too valuable. Those who
can
afford them usually don't sit still long enough to really
need a butler, at least at those prices.
A top of the line Chauffeur, Rolls-Royce certified,
and
maybe with additional security training, is someone
who
works in the six-figure range, and it may take years
to
get one. There is a LONG waiting list.
These days, more and more servants are salaried employees,
and in less traditional roles, for example, bodyguards
and entourage hangers-on. Worker employees, such as
maids,
waiters and gardeners, are still bottom-tier and don't
rise to the level of professional servants.
--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet
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From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>
People's willingness to submerge themselves in somebody
else's life is
not what it used to be.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
No hay banda
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From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
I might add that the #1 reason that "Good servants
are hard to find", is that few Americans know how
to treat servants. For instance, it is notorious
that servants and other White House employees hate
and despise democrat Presidents, but appreciate and
admire "old money" republican Presidents.
This has nothing to do with politics, or party.
It's just that the "old money" types were
raised
around servants. They know what they are and do--
and just as importantly, what they *don't* do. Most
democrats are just as bumbly as typical people would
be, an invariably piss the help off.
And people who have no experience with servants
take as much, if not more, training than the
servants themselves take. For example, you NEVER
tell a Secret Service agent, or a butler, for that
matter, to "Go get me a cuppa coffee, boy."
Surprisingly enough, "old money" types are
NOT as
uptight as you would think. It is the "noveau
riche",
who've just come into their bucks, that are the snooty
ones. "Old money" types are comfy with their
servants,
and their servants are comfy with them, be it at a
formal dinner or an orgy. Servants invited, I might
add.
Noveau riche employed servants are in it for the money,
and out of it just as quick. "Old money"
servants have
been with the family for generations, quite likely,
and
would miss leaving as much as they would be missed.
Often their kids have been raised together, and have
learned the stiff (as in stiff stick) rule that being
a "master", does not make you better, and
that when you
are being served, or serving someone, "service"
is far
better than "ingratiation."
A good servant clears the path for their employer so
that they can *do* something that they do well, without
having to fuss with, or use their time and energy on
the
ordinary stuff of life. A servant that is ingratiating,
however, is not a good servant. They want continual
reassurance, recognition, and reward for doing their
job.
A good servant multiplies the effectiveness of their
employer, and a good employer doesn't waste their talent
at doing this with extraneous duties, or by trying to
use them as a spare hand in non-service related tasks.
Most Americans just have a hard time grasping the concept,
however. They either feel guilty about having what
they
think is a slave, or they try to micromanage them, or
they turn into utter asses, and abuse the heck out of
them. The worst are like Captain Bly of the Bounty,
Mr Nice Guy one minute, then they feel undisciplined,
so
they turn into an orge the next, and then they feel
guilty
and cruel, so they try to be their servants' "friend"
again. And finally with the "I don't know, what
do YOU
want to do?" bit. Sorry, role reversal is a no-go.
--
"I can imagine a LOT when it comes
to unimaginable power."
-- nu-monet
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From: Baldin Pramer <baldin@mailtoworld.com>
You have been so helpful, and I will post this as soon
as I can get my
butler to order my manservant to press the "send"
button.
--
Sir Baldin Pramer, S.G.O.R.P.I.A.
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From: Artemia Salina <y2k@sheayright.com>
nu-monet v7.0 wrote:
[keen info on servant's relationship to their employers]
Man! Where do you *learn* this stuff? I don't care if
there
are goofy photos of you on the net, you write some of
the
most *interesting* shit I've read in a long time!
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From: ridetheory@gmail.com (ignatz topo)
"nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
wrote in message news:<4101DEAF.25CD@succeeds.com>...
> I might add that the #1 reason that "Good
servants
> are hard to find", is that few Americans know
how
> to treat servants. For instance, it is notorious
> that servants and other White House employees hate
> and despise democrat Presidents, but appreciate
and
> admire "old money" republican Presidents.
>
> This has nothing to do with politics, or party.
> It's just that the "old money" types
were raised
> around servants. They know what they are and do--
> and just as importantly, what they *don't* do.
Most
> democrats are just as bumbly as typical people
would
> be, an invariably piss the help off.
Okay, this settles it. I wanted to stay behind and
rule over the
humans with an iron fist, but fuck it, it sounds like
too much work.
Rather than explain that they're supposed to be my SLAVES
and not THE
HELP, I'll get on the saucers.
iggy
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From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>
"nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
wrote:
>A manservant is a valet, plus a public assistant.
>He is involved in the personal affairs of his
>employer, such as seeing to his dress,
Wait, you kind of rushed past this one.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
No hay banda
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From: Cardinal Vertigo <vertigo@alexandria.cc>
Yeah, I wanted to know whether manservants traditionally
help to secure
their employers' giggling and squirming lovers in bondage
equipment.
--
"Every decent man is ashamed of the government
he lives under."
- H.L. Mencken
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From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Joe Cosby wrote:
> Wait, you kind of rushed past this one.
Every aspect of clothing and personal decor. A valet
usually just deals with insuring that clothes are
clean, laid out, dirty clothes are taken care of and
new clothes are properly tailored and look good on
their boss when worn. A manservant would go further,
acting as a go between with tailors and fashion
advisers, even keeping up on what is current and
trendy in clothing. He advises his employer on what
looks good, what other people are wearing at particular
gatherings and comes up with specialty clothing, such
as costumes.
A valet gets you looking good before you leave, a
manservant keeps you looking, and even smelling, good
when you are out and about.
In this way, a manservant can act like an adviser,
whispering in his employers ear all sorts of useful
information and gossip.
--
Two headed people are the future.
Get used to it, single head.
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From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>
OK OK, but so we've got this rich guy in a dress.
Is that one of the bits of useful gossip that the manservant
is
supposed to be whispering?
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
Cheese is the inevitable result of atomic physics
The Incredible Sulk
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From: ridetheory@gmail.com (ignatz topo)
None of this sounds like what I want. Way too prissy.
How about a dogsbody? A minion?
Henchman, that's it! I need henchmen!
Send me your resumes!
iggy
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From: Baldin Pramer <baldin@mailtoworld.com>
Oh great, now I have to get henchmen too. Keeping up
with the neighbors
is a lot of work. Lucky for me I have a manservant to
do it now!
--
Sir Baldin Pramer, S.G.O.R.P.I.A.
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From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>
"nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
wrote:
> Baldin Pramer wrote:
> >
> > What is the difference between a manservant
> > and a butler? I need to know in case ....
uh,
> > .... in case things work out.
>
> A manservant is a valet, plus a public assistant.
> He is involved in the personal affairs of his
> employer, such as seeing to his dress, delivering
> personal messages, and as a general gofer. In
a
> more formal role, he is like a one-man entourage,
> accompaning his employer in public. His duties
> generally do not cross over to business interests.
> He is a PDA for those who do not carry PDAs. He
> usually lives in the main quarters, available to
> his employer 24/7. Usually a manservant is
> unmarried. His female equivalent is a handmaiden.
>
> A butler is the head servant of the household.
> He directs other staff in housekeeping duties and
> personnel matters, such as pay and employment.
> He also acts as liason with other households in
> arranging social events. He is often married to
> the housekeeper, sort of his female equivalent,
> and they may live in the servants' quarters of
> the main house, or in a separate house. They may
> also have regular hours, and days off.
So which one maintains one's secret lab and super weapons?
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