Another* Wikipedia for Pagans

From: Modemac <modemac@modemac.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,alt.religion.wicca
Date: Sun, Aug 1, 2004 6:18 PM

http://www.acadine.org/index.php/Main_Page

Either these guys aren't happy with the occult wiki set up by those
other guys ( http://www.sourceryforge.org/ ), or they actually set
theirs up first and the other site ripped their idea off. I see a
clash of egos coming soon.

--
First Online Church of "Bob"
http://www.modemac.com/

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

From years of interacting with other occultists I finally figured out
that the one thing they can agree on is that none of them agree with
any of the others about anything, passionately.

alt.religion.wicca is nothing but flame wars between one group of
regulars and another. I should go into the wiccapedia and define
"wicca" as "the art and practice of flaming other wiccans".

At one point alt.magick decided they wanted a new FAQ because the FAQ
was being posted by people who were Bad And Evil. It's the kind of
thing that should take 5 fucking minutes.

1. Write new FAQ
2. Ask the old people to stop posting the old one (might take a
little force but doable)

But it went on for months, with everybody flaming everybody else about
the best way to do it, getting into the HEAVY MYSTICAL CONNOTATIONS of
posting an FAQ, arguing that any FAQ would be flawed by ego, and so on
and so on and so on.

So all these thelemites, to whom, supposedly, their whole lives are
wrapped up in Perfecting the Will in order to be better and more
effectual, squabbled for several months and never did get anything
done.

I dunno, maybe that's all funnier to me than it is to anybody else.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"Well, fuck you too, chuckles!"

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

I've pretty well come to a conclusion about occultists.
They can be distributed (I won't say "broken down",
because far too many of them have had breakdowns), into
three groups.

The first, and by far the largest, are the "fans".
They are utterly hypnotized by the concept of paranormal
anything. With the prime purpose of avoiding it as much
as possible. In other words, they intently seek it so
they won't have to deal with it.

The second group are the "fragile flowers". Sensitives
who have actually bumped into it a time or two, have
absolutely no idea of what it is or its rules, or how
to find it again. They are pretty miserable, like a
magician who with what looks like sheer random chance
pulled off a card trick twice, and have no idea how
they did it. But they know it can be done.

The third group are the serious practitioners, who
have spent years slowly and gradually developing their
skills, plural. They are a tiny minority, and don't
give a shit about sharing the wealth with those who
haven't spent years doing what they have been doing.
Why bother? No shared frame of reference.

Only the first two groups would ever have anything to
do with newsgroups concerning the paranormal.
Individuals in the third group would probably be
found, if at all, posting to humor newsgroups.

--
"Money can't buy you happiness,
but when you're poor, you can't
buy shit, and nobody will loan
you happiness."
--nu-monet

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

You forgot "serious complete fucking loons". Who think that since
everybody tells them they have a little reality-perception problem, if
they are great mystics then everybody ELSE can have the
reality-perception problem and they are RIGHT.

viz. J'lahn.

Very large group though.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
Laugh, and the world laughs with you
Cry, and the world laughs louder

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: "Black Crow" <sink@clawz>
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.pagan,alt.paranormal,alt.religion.wicca
Date: Sun, Aug 1, 2004 9:15 PM

>> They are a tiny minority, and don't
> >give a shit about sharing the wealth with those who
> >haven't spent years doing what they have been doing.
> >Why bother? No shared frame of reference.

Who folk.

Apples to Oranges.

P.L.O. to Israel: phone home.

I know I wasn't MADE by the Face of Terror for NAUGHT.

Obi sticks to wicker baskets.

Ego whacks and contracts.

Worlds apart -- been that way from the beginning.

I just thinks it's more than evident to WITNESS who's who, at this point.

There's lines drawn.

Many tribes.

Many factions.

Many causes.

We're gathered.

We may live among one in another in mockery or peace, but we will live
together. We will live.

Death and dying are the illusions the Face of Fear feed on eating away
life's shadows bore within.

Who folk are born, but not born as such from birth as such. Who folk are
MADE.

Nails I'm used to eating, bullet holes, I'm sure, none of you are used to
wearing.

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

# 5:

Incoherent Jesii

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
"Television's perfect. You turn a few knobs, a few of those mechanical
adjustments at which the higher apes are so proficient, and lean back
and drain your mind of all thought. And there you are watching the
bubbles in the primeval ooze. You don't have to concentrate. You don't
have to react. You don't have to remember. You don't miss your brain
because you don't need it. Your heart and liver and lungs continue to
function normally. Apart from that, all is peace and quiet. You are in
the man's nirvana. And if some poor nasty minded person comes along
and says you look like a fly on a can of garbage, pay him no mind. He
probably hasn't got the price of a television set."

- Raymond Chandler

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

Isn't he good enough to make the #4 category?

Granted, a #4 master is a sight to behold.
Hell, Rev Stang wrote a book about them.

--
"There's a sizeable number of people
who prefer watching reruns of someone
wolfing down goat gonads to watching
the political conventions."
-- editorial columnist

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From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

Yeah I was thinking that. # 5's are really a subcategory of # 4's. I
guess "incoherent Jesii" are 4.1 .

I thought Stang WAS a # 4.

How do we know he isn't a # 4 who is also a subtle reversdic (#6) and
you THINK he's not serious because he's SO serious?

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: carl_miller23@hotmail.com (Lamus)

On August 01 2004, Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl> wrote:
> You forgot "serious complete fucking loons". Who think that since
> everybody tells them they have a little reality-perception problem, if
> they are great mystics then everybody ELSE can have the
> reality-perception problem and they are RIGHT.

No, that's the Christians. Just substitute "Good Christians(tm)" for
"great mystics" and you're spot on!

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>

> The third group are the serious practitioners, who
> have spent years slowly and gradually developing their
> skills, plural. They are a tiny minority, and don't
> give a shit about sharing the wealth with those who
> haven't spent years doing what they have been doing.
> Why bother? No shared frame of reference.

What skills? Chanting "barbarous names of invocation"? (Or is that
evocation... never can get them two straight.) Drawing STUPID looking sigils
that some 19th century mountebank simply made up out of whole cloth?
Baking cookies of light that are made out of equal parts "Abra-Melin" oil
and menstrual blood? Bending everybody and anybody's ear about how 111 is
the gematrical secret of all existence?

Share what wealth? Most of the ceremonial magicians I've known have been as
poor as church mice... not that there's any shame in that. Most of 'em won't
even share their GODDAMN liquor with you.

The "sex magick" thing is a nice touch for some quality fucking, but it's
second-hand stuff and just too much ooga-booga is involved.

Face it. They're ALL type ones. FAN-BOYS (and fan-girls). Fucking fan-boys.

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: "nu-monet v7.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>

No. Actually I have met a few real ones.

Let me put it this way: they scare me.

That's *me* they scare. Most people they
would scare to death. Literally. Which
is a pretty good indicator that they're
not fucking around.

--
"We opened the floodgates, as part of letting
more water in the reservoir. We had them in
the bank, so we used them to keep the train
system going. And what we're doing now is
working the headwaters to replenish the debt."
-- Gen. Peter Schoomaker, US Army Chief of Staff

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: "ghost" <ghost@ghost.net>

Pal, take it from a former PROFESSIONAL occultist (yep, there are such
things)... most of it's either the long con or the sheep waiting to get
sheared.

The "serious" magicians I've met basically want to run some sort of hoodoo
mumbo jumbo mind control number on weaker-minded individuals, basically for
sex and/or bill-paying. Hell, I've tried it... unfortunately I still have a
few threads of ethics left, so I pulled back at the last minute.

I've seen a bit of very weird involvement by certain government agencies
within various occult groups. That's disconcerting.

The only fuckers who seriously scared me in my 13+ years involvement in that
milieu were the Haitian petro rite voodoo practioners what seemed to come
flooding into NYC after Duvalier got overthrown. But that was because I KNEW
that some of them were Tonton Macoute. That's scared as in getting one's arm
sheared off by a machete scared.

Them other dudes... well that's just kinda CUTE. Precious.

Now where did I put that other package of tobacco.

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Subject: Re: *Another* Wikipedia for Pagans
From: Joe Cosby <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>

>
>Face it. They're ALL type ones. FAN-BOYS (and fan-girls). Fucking fan-boys.
>

AMEN!

I have known a lot of these so-called "ceremonial magicians" and not
ONE of them could do a trick as simple as the one in Cinderella where
the fairy godmother turns a pumpkin into a horse and carriage, let
alone any of the ones they do in The Craft. Fucking wieners.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.com/
Holy shit!

They're ALL Davy Jones!

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