Subject: Thousands protest the war...

From: modemac@modemac.com (Modemac)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 7:35 AM
Message-ID: <b71f73eb.0301200435.a5beaa9@posting.google.com>

...and does anyone care?

There were peace marches all over the country (and France, too) over
the weekend. Thousands of people sang and marched in the street and
carried their signs saying "Impeach Bush." Just like the sixties,
man!

Except that this isn't the sixties anymore. The Conspiracy learned
its lesson on how to deal with sixties-style protests. In the 1960s,
the anti-war movement had three things on its side: 1) The media was
in its favor. Every anti-war incident got *tons* of press coverage.
2) The government dealt with them poorly -- Kent State being the prime
example. 3) The war itself was badly managed, both from a military
*and* P.R. (which is just as important back home) standpoint. THEY
learned their lessons from Vietnam, which is why these aren't the
sixties anymore.

Over the weekend, thousands of people marched in the street, sang
songs, and then they went home. End of story. They got a few news
stories, and that's it. A few of the dumber ones tried to incite THE
MAN into a confrontation (just like the sixties), except that THE MAN
was ready for it and knew how to handle them in a way that made the
protesters look like fools. And the mega-corporation controlled media
continues to hawk the war, and nothing has changed. War is still
"inevitable," because that's what they want. Unless we do something
*really* stupid, such as nuke Baghdad *and* let CNN, ABC, and the BBS
videotape the entire thing live, then the war will proceed and
President Dubya will be re-elected.

The sixties are over, man.

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: "Rev. Magdalen" <magdalen@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 8:02 AM
Message-ID: <zrSW9.49016$aG4.3139275@twister.austin.rr.com>

"Modemac" <modemac@modemac.com> wrote in message
news:b71f73eb.0301200435.a5beaa9@posting.google.com
> ...and does anyone care?
>
> There were peace marches all over the country (and France, too) over
> the weekend. Thousands of people sang and marched in the street and
> carried their signs saying "Impeach Bush." Just like the sixties,
> man!
>
> Except that this isn't the sixties anymore. The Conspiracy learned
> its lesson on how to deal with sixties-style protests. In the 1960s,
> the anti-war movement had three things on its side: 1) The media was
> in its favor. Every anti-war incident got *tons* of press coverage.
> 2) The government dealt with them poorly -- Kent State being the prime
> example. 3) The war itself was badly managed, both from a military
> *and* P.R. (which is just as important back home) standpoint. THEY
> learned their lessons from Vietnam, which is why these aren't the
> sixties anymore.
>
> Over the weekend, thousands of people marched in the street, sang
> songs, and then they went home. End of story. They got a few news
> stories, and that's it. A few of the dumber ones tried to incite THE
> MAN into a confrontation (just like the sixties), except that THE MAN
> was ready for it and knew how to handle them in a way that made the
> protesters look like fools. And the mega-corporation controlled media
> continues to hawk the war, and nothing has changed. War is still
> "inevitable," because that's what they want. Unless we do something
> *really* stupid, such as nuke Baghdad *and* let CNN, ABC, and the BBS
> videotape the entire thing live, then the war will proceed and
> President Dubya will be re-elected.
>
> The sixties are over, man.

Ya gotta BELIEVE!!

--
They are mean because they are rejects from society.

--Bill Palmer on SubGenii

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: "nu-monet v5.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 8:57 AM
Message-ID: <3E2C00BC.6D10@succeeds.com>

Modemac wrote:
>
> ...and does anyone care?
>
> The sixties are over, man.

Well, I thought it was a hoot. First, in the
60s, the Man actively subverted and corrupted
the anti-war movement (we are now learning),
encouraging violence and all the rest.

Now, the self-proclaimed "leaders", the only
people who will be "recognized" by the media
as the "leaders" of the movement, are either
World Socialist Workers (who are really big
in the umbrella organization, embarrassingly
so); or the old standards, the inner circle
of the democratic party's left wing.

Seeing people like William Christopher trying
to say "I am not only one of you, I am in
charge *against* the government", is just
about as silly as seeing Dick Cheney out there
wearing love beads and a tie-dyed t-shirt,
singing "give peace a chance."

More than anything else, the government fears
a de-centralized, un-organized, un-controlled
peace movement. This it will do anything to
prevent.

--
"This hedgehog will live with us!"

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: "nu-monet v5.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 11:02 AM
Message-ID: <3E2C1DEC.54BE@succeeds.com>

nu-monet v5.0 wrote:
>
> Modemac wrote:
> >
> > ...and does anyone care?
> >
> > The sixties are over, man.
>
> Well, I thought it was a hoot. First, in the
> 60s, the Man actively subverted and corrupted
> the anti-war movement (we are now learning),
> encouraging violence and all the rest.
>
> Now, the self-proclaimed "leaders", the only
> people who will be "recognized" by the media
> as the "leaders" of the movement, are either
> World Socialist Workers (who are really big
> in the umbrella organization, embarrassingly
> so); or the old standards, the inner circle
> of the democratic party's left wing.

More on the "official leadership" of the peace
movement. This should make those who are pro-peace
just gag. "All we are saying, is kill it dead
before it can reproduce."

http://www.e-thepeople.org/a-national/article/14088/view

--
Rev. nu-monet
High Priest
Church of Kali (Reformed)

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: "Priestess Pisces" <priestesspisces@msn.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 12:58 PM
Message-ID: <O8odG2KwCHA.1300@cpimsnntpa03>

I had a very vivid dream the other night that the US gubment nuked North
Korea and there was this man staring me in the eyes who had no mouth and was
covered in sores and i started hollering about how stupid the gubment was,
and the man just kept staring because he had no mouth.

--
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Founder of Wankers for "Bob"
Resident of the State of Flying Jesse's BBQ and Donut Shop
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"Modemac" <modemac@modemac.com> wrote in message
news:b71f73eb.0301200435.a5beaa9@posting.google.com...
> ...and does anyone care?
>
> There were peace marches all over the country (and France, too) over
> the weekend. Thousands of people sang and marched in the street and
> carried their signs saying "Impeach Bush." Just like the sixties,
> man!
>
> Except that this isn't the sixties anymore. The Conspiracy learned
> its lesson on how to deal with sixties-style protests. In the 1960s,
> the anti-war movement had three things on its side: 1) The media was
> in its favor. Every anti-war incident got *tons* of press coverage.
> 2) The government dealt with them poorly -- Kent State being the prime
> example. 3) The war itself was badly managed, both from a military
> *and* P.R. (which is just as important back home) standpoint. THEY
> learned their lessons from Vietnam, which is why these aren't the
> sixties anymore.
>
> Over the weekend, thousands of people marched in the street, sang
> songs, and then they went home. End of story. They got a few news
> stories, and that's it. A few of the dumber ones tried to incite THE
> MAN into a confrontation (just like the sixties), except that THE MAN
> was ready for it and knew how to handle them in a way that made the
> protesters look like fools. And the mega-corporation controlled media
> continues to hawk the war, and nothing has changed. War is still
> "inevitable," because that's what they want. Unless we do something
> *really* stupid, such as nuke Baghdad *and* let CNN, ABC, and the BBS
> videotape the entire thing live, then the war will proceed and
> President Dubya will be re-elected.
>
> The sixties are over, man.

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: "nu-monet v5.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Reply-To: like.excess@sex.org
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 1:15 PM
Message-ID: <3E2C3D3D.32DF@succeeds.com>

Priestess Pisces wrote:
>
> I had a very vivid dream the other night that
> the US gubment nuked North Korea and there was
> this man staring me in the eyes who had no mouth
> and was covered in sores and i started hollering
> about how stupid the gubment was, and the man
> just kept staring because he had no mouth.
>

I think I'd freak out ol' Mr Sores jawless wonder
by singing:

"And I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A."

Because, let me tell you, there is NO BETTER WAY
of driving off spectral guilt monsters than to
sing PATRIOTIC SONGS.

It also works great against under-the-bed finger
chompers and nocturnal lung suckers(*).

(*) Never try to avoid a lung sucker by sleeping
on your belly. And I'm really not going to say
why, except that it's really gross.

--
Rev. nu-monet
High Priest
Church of Kali (Reformed)

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 4:41 PM
Message-ID: <200120031641482712%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <b71f73eb.0301200435.a5beaa9@posting.google.com>, Modemac
<modemac@modemac.com> wrote:

>
> The sixties are over, man.

I did my own miniature media research.

My pal in San Francisco said he saw half a million people protesting
and also a heck of a lot of bared titties.

The AlterNet.org news site said there were realistically probably
200,000 protesting in SF, but that it seemed more like 400,000. It said
the organizers claimed 200,000 in Washington DC despite awful weather.

Yahoo news shows pictures of armored cops shoving back a few angry
youths in Washington DC, who had gotten too close to the White House
fence. So I guess that was their focus. Angry Youths Shoved Back from
White House. If you read the AP news story the first numbers you saw
were "1,000 near the white house" and "500" somewhere else. Later in
the article it said the cops wouldn't say. The last vague number given
was 30,000 although the term "immense throngs" was used.

The Drudge Report mentions no protests, on its front page today.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer mentioned "tens of thousands of protestors"
here and there.

I know that during the Gulf War, there were gigantic protests in San
Francisco which were glossed over on the pop news as being "a few
malcontents".

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: mshotz@aol.comnospam (James T. Rex King of the Monsters)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 8:29 PM
Message-ID: <20030120202938.05555.00000107@mb-fx.aol.com>

>I had a very vivid dream the other night that the US gubment nuked North
>Korea and there was this man staring me in the eyes who had no mouth and was
>covered in sores and i started hollering about how stupid the gubment was,
>and the man just kept staring because he had no mouth.
>

I know that guy, He works at the McDonalds at the Mall!

MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man

"You remind Me a Song I can't name, in time I don't remember, in a place I
don't think I've ever been to."

Grampa Simpson

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: Whose TITAN Elbow <crgre02+usenet@newsguy.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 10:51 PM
Message-ID: <Xns9309C9C69D4E3browse0tron2002@129.250.170.82>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>schreef in
berichtnieuws...news:200120031641482712%stang@subgenius.com:

>
> The Drudge Report mentions no protests, on its front page today.
>
>
Indeed, there were no protests. We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Long live our Alliance with Eastasia!!!

--
``Although xylitol has a relatively long organic chemical history, the
first half of this century was rather eventless from xylitol's point of
view...'' -- Professor Kauko K. Mäkinen

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: saint bubba <atropos@auracom.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jan 20, 2003 11:23 PM
Message-ID: <1jip2v4puh1ta52ras8ft3nbc3jfkid94i@4ax.com>

On 20 Jan 2003 04:35:07 -0800, modemac@modemac.com (Modemac) wrote:

>...and does anyone care?
>
>There were peace marches all over the country (and France, too) over
>the weekend. Thousands of people sang and marched in the street and
>carried their signs saying "Impeach Bush." Just like the sixties,
>man!
what i utterly loved was bush's comment that "well, at least they're
ABLE to protest" notwithstading the fact that nobody is gonna listen
to the protests whatsodamnever. and hell, at least a good war will
keep all them peaceniks BUSY and away for their hydroponic gardens and
chai tea.
st bubba

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: modemac@modemac.com (Modemac)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Tue, Jan 21, 2003 7:33 AM
Message-ID: <b71f73eb.0301210433.6991e649@posting.google.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com> wrote in message news:<200120031641482712%stang@subgenius.com>...
> I know that during the Gulf War, there were gigantic protests in San
> Francisco which were glossed over on the pop news as being "a few
> malcontents".

I took part in the Gulf War protests myself, and that was where I
learned my lesson that sixties-era protest methods don't work anymore
if you want to work real "change" (whatever that is). One protest I
especially remember had a couple of thousand marching through the
streets of Boston, congregating at the Boston Common where they had a
stage set up for the speeches and photo ops, and people passing back
and forth among the crowd with trash bags to collect donations. (How
come we don't do that?) The speeches were the usual "Impeach George
Bush" stuff, and the organizers of the rally claimed that there were
12,000 people in the crowd...when in fact there were maybe 10% to 20%
of that total. And our efforts contributed exactly zero to stopping
or delaying the Gulf War.

On the other hand, yesterday I did read about some folks who took part
in the weekend protests just to make a statement. They were fully
aware that the protests meant nothing, but they did it anyway -- just
to say that they tried. That's as good a reason as any to get out
there and march on the streets, and those folks certainly had the
right idea.

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Wed, Jan 22, 2003 10:31 AM
Message-ID: <220120031031368519%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <b71f73eb.0301210433.6991e649@posting.google.com>, Modemac
<modemac@modemac.com> wrote:

>
> On the other hand, yesterday I did read about some folks who took part
> in the weekend protests just to make a statement. They were fully
> aware that the protests meant nothing, but they did it anyway -- just
> to say that they tried. That's as good a reason as any to get out
> there and march on the streets, and those folks certainly had the
> right idea.

There's also the bared-titty aspect to be considered, although here In
Cleveland I don't think we'll be seeing much of that in January.

My form of war protesting is helping to keep Lonesome Cowboy Dave out
of the concentration camps he keeps talking about on the radio, by
making fun of hi and the camps as if Dave was just hallucinating them.
If I can keep Dave out of the camps I'll feel I've done my part.

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: friday@fridayjones.com (Friday Jones)
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.friday
Date: Fri, Jan 24, 2003 7:58 PM
Message-ID: <friday-ya02408000R2401032002410001@news.earthlink.net>

In article <220120031031368519%stang@subgenius.com>, "Rev. Ivan Stang"
<stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

>In article <b71f73eb.0301210433.6991e649@posting.google.com>, Modemac
><modemac@modemac.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On the other hand, yesterday I did read about some folks who took part
>> in the weekend protests just to make a statement. They were fully
>> aware that the protests meant nothing, but they did it anyway -- just
>> to say that they tried. That's as good a reason as any to get out
>> there and march on the streets, and those folks certainly had the
>> right idea.
>
>There's also the bared-titty aspect to be considered, although here In
>Cleveland I don't think we'll be seeing much of that in January.
>
>My form of war protesting is helping to keep Lonesome Cowboy Dave out
>of the concentration camps he keeps talking about on the radio, by
>making fun of hi and the camps as if Dave was just hallucinating them.
>If I can keep Dave out of the camps I'll feel I've done my part.

If I can get you and Lonesome Cowboy Dave into the SAME camp, so that you
prop each other up amid the horrors and abominations, I'll feel that I've
done my part.

Maybe I could get you ALL into the same camp ... Cleveland.

John. The President's canary is being held hostage in Syria.
- Art of Fighting 2, NeoGeo

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Subject: Re: Thousands protest the war...
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.friday
Date: Sat, Jan 25, 2003 1:31 PM
Message-ID: <250120031331415244%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <friday-ya02408000R2401032002410001@news.earthlink.net>,
Friday Jones <friday@fridayjones.com> wrote:

>
> If I can get you and Lonesome Cowboy Dave into the SAME camp, so that you
> prop each other up amid the horrors and abominations, I'll feel that I've
> done my part.
>
> Maybe I could get you ALL into the same camp ... Cleveland.

Snake Pliskin learned the hard way, you have to be tough to Escape from
Cleveland.

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