Subject: Future Is Now Old Fangled

From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sun, Jun 23, 2002 2:02 PM
Message-ID: <230620021403193086%stang@subgenius.com>

My mom is about to "get on line." My son got her a computer, and is
setting her up. In a few days, Mammy will be able to look at SubSITE.

Guess I better clean it up.

Coincidentally enough, The Onion recently did a story headlined
"Getting Mom Onto Internet a Sisyphean Ordeal," recounting the foibles
of an elderly woman's first months on the Internet. Like the best Onion
articles, it prompted deep but sorrowful laughter -- partly because it
brought back memories of MY first encounters with AOL and so on, round
about 1994. (I had been using a Mac since 1984, but only as a word
processor.)

Anyway, this means I have to go through and remove ALL the cusswords
and titties from SubSITE. I could do it by simply deleting everything
and starting over, or, I could manually go through and cross out each
Fuck and Shit. I might get about one tenth of the way through it while
my mother is still alive.

Eh, guess I'll just blow it off. She'll be on a 56k modem, what am I
worried about. She'll look at the first two pages and get frustrated,
like everybody else.

Thank goodness.

In other news, I BOUGHT A DVD PLAYER.

Yep, finally did it. Put it off as long as I could. The only reason I
finally bought one was to see if I was making Video CDs correctly. I am
the kind of person who'll buy the movie camera first, start making the
movie, and only buy the projector when I HAVE to, to see if I made the
movie right.

To tell the truth, I never heard any of The Hour of Slack CDs played on
good speakers until last night. (It sounded GREAT!)

Anyway, I decided it was time to move into the modern world. Since I
had decided to start releasing our SubG video stuff in DVD -- and VCD
-- I had to be able to CHECK them. I have a DVD player on my computer,
but that is NOT the same.

Wellsir, I didn't know a god damned thing about DVD players. I knew how
much money I had, though. So I went over to the nearest Walmart and
looked at their selection. A Sanyo was on sale for $99. A whole lot of
the Shitty-Name Brands were on sale, too, for like $150.

Oddly enough, over in a corner, unadvertised, separate from all the
other DVD players, was a big stack of Apex DVD players priced at $68
apiece. I had never heard of Apex and figured it was some Emerson
wannabe, Emerson being the bottom of the barrel normally. But a quick
look at the box indicated that it was at least TRYING to have all the
features of the mighty Sony and Panasonic.

I went home and got on a series of websites -- first consumer guides,
and then video pirates, with the most help coming from "nerd-out.com"
and something called "www.vcdhelp.com".

There I discovered that this lowly Apex line of players was the
favorite of the ultrageeks and pirates and hackers. The model I was
looking at in Walmart, the Apex 1100W, had just come out but had
already been "hacked" and was garnering rave reviews from the users.
They were almost uniformly stating that while the chassis of this
machine was a flimsy rattletrap piece of shit, it actually WORKED
better than the much higher priced name brands. Half-assed CD-RWs with
crappy mpegs burned onto them, mixed with MP3s in weird bitrates, and
JPEGs of the family photos, the Apex played all manner of formats that
the fancy shit is SUPPOSED to, but doesn't actually in many cases.
(Indeed, my first VCD test, made a year ago, would not play on my
neighbor's state of the art gear, back then, which made me think I was
doing it wrong, but the sme disk plays on my $68 Apex FINE.)

DVD, CD, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, VCD, SVCD, XVCD...
MP3s, porno jpegs, your crappy home movie MPEG clips off that crappy
digital camera... it all seems to work on this $68 piece of shit
Walmart box, Apex 1100W.

So after all that reading-up I went and bought the thing. Hooked it up
and checked to see how easy it would be to hack it so that it will play
through (and be recorded by) a VHS VCR. For some reason I don't need to
hack it; it already plays through and records. I only have 3 DVDs, but
I tried all the other media types. I converted the SubG MTV thing from
DV format to a VCD, and it played fine, not quite as well as the VHS
original, but almost. Determined that I could indeed convert ARISE to
VCD and it'll look fine, if I make myself a transfer of the entire
video to DV format for conversion. (I tried converting things UP from
the WMV and existing low res format copies of ARISE, but that looks
like shit.)

I have to copy all of Dobbsfilm Shorties to another drive to make that
transfer, though.

One thing I determined in the course of doing all this was that the
best way to do ARISE, REALLY, is not this half assed VCD thing -- VCDs
really are not that great -- but a for-real full res DVD. And to do it
from the 1" original master, which I actually have in my possession.

So, tomorrow, between SubSITE fix-ups, I am going to start pricing DVD
duplication (from 1" video master), preferably here in Cleveland, since
I'd rather be able to DRIVE the master to the facility and supervise
the first transfer rather than mail it to some fucks in Taiwan or
wherever. Depends on what kinds of deals I can get.

I might only need to make a few copies; maybe I can buy a DVD burner
later and be able to copy those myself.

But really, ARISE needs to be on something more permanent than these
two 1" masters, anyway.

I also suddenly realized that, THOUGH we need to do a bunch of work on
the end section of ARISE to replace the PO Box and add the URL, etc., I
CAN NOW DO THAT MYSELF!!! I was so used to having to think of video
titling in terms of paying some post production facility -- it took me
a day to remember that I had spent several weeks learning how to do
just that on my big G4 computer. I would still have to pay to lay the
DV clip over to the 1" master but that's probably $100 or so...?

I have been downloading movies from news groups in DivX format. DVD
players will not play DivX. To play them on a DVD player you have to
convert them to the LOWER-resed VCD format (MPEG 1 at 320x460 picture
size). One thing I did learn about burning your pirated DivX movies to
VCD (as opposed to just watching the DivX on your computer screen) --
IT TAKES A FUCKING LONG TIME. It takes ALL NIGHT for a FAST computer to
convert HALF of a feature movie from DivX to VCD. (VCD only holds about
one hour of video.)

Then , watching the VCD just makes you want to go out and buy the DVD.
VCD is roughly akin to a home-made VHS tape. Fine if that's all there
is to watch, but, I can see how people get completely spoiled by DVDs.

The DivX format, a variation of MPEG 4, which only plays on computers,
is WAY better than VCD or VHS (and takes up HALF the file space of
VCD!). However, it's developed OUTSIDE THE CONSPIRACY LOOP. It works
better than any of Their codecs, but of course it's not used in any of
Their appliances.

AS I UNDERSTAND IT. I am new to this game.

I'm making another tech jump. Over my career I went from flip-it-books
on paper to 8mm silent animations to Super-8 with loosely synced
soundtracks on tape, to 16mm double system sound, to 3/4" video, to low
res Internet videos, to broadcast quality digital video. With long
breaks in between where I wasn't doing film or video of any kind. I
have had to do a LOT of reading to make each jump up. I have been able
to find everything I needed to know on line or in the library. I have
been able to work on borrowed gear, unless the prices went down to the
point that I could buy my own. (I never did own any 16mm film or pro
video editing equipment, but you CAN edit video and multitrack sound on
a used $400 computer now.)

I love this shit! I love reading the instructions! I love it when I
finally find the ONE SIMPLE STATEMENT that explains, say, the
difference between VCD and SVCD. And then I start making all these
lists in my head of which SubGenius things to convert first.

And then I find out how long the conversions take! AIEEE! Heh. It's
always something. And I still don't know a GOT-damed thang about Flash
and Director and all.

A few years ago, my son said, "Dad, you're BEHIND. You're OLD. You need
to start adding a zero to EVERYTHING." He was right. I did, and now I
am young again, even though it makes me almost 500 years old, doing
things his way.

And have you seen these new thingies they have, called "electric
razors?" It's a MACHINE that cuts your beard. Some of them run on
batteries and you don't even have to plug them in. One would think a
mechanical contrivance for cutting facial hair would be crude and
painful to apply, but these new gizmos just throb comfortingly and
hardly ever nick or scrape! This modern world, I tell you. What'll they
come up with next. "Photo-Copy-ers"?

--
4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
A subsidiary of:
The SubGenius Foundation, Inc. / P.O. Box 204206, Austin, TX 78720-4206
Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com
For SubGenius Biz & Orders: call toll free to 1-888-669-2323
or email: jesus@subgenius.com
PRABOB

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sun, Jun 23, 2002 4:27 PM
Message-ID: <3d162da9.135697759@news.cis.dfn.de>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com> hunched over a computer,
typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com> laughed
madly, then wrote:

>
>
>My mom is about to "get on line."

Your life is over.

A suggestion: the answer to any and all computer-related questions is
"I HAVE NO IDEA, MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST SELL THE DAMNED THING".

Trust me on this one.

>My son got her a computer, and is
>setting her up.

I suggest having him put to death.

It's tough love.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

I don't need to test my programs. I have an error-correcting modem.
- Om I. Baud

Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: El Queso <the_cheese_23@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sun, Jun 23, 2002 5:10 PM
Message-ID: <3D163BFE.81277CF4@yahoo.com>

A new, cool DVD player is almost worth the permanent loss of .05% of
your slack for stepping into a Walmart. If you stay in the store more
than 20 minutes, you will start to grow a mullet.
Cheers,
Queso

"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>
> My mom is about to "get on line." My son got her a computer, and is
> setting her up. In a few days, Mammy will be able to look at SubSITE.
>
> Guess I better clean it up.
>
> Coincidentally enough, The Onion recently did a story headlined
> "Getting Mom Onto Internet a Sisyphean Ordeal," recounting the foibles
> of an elderly woman's first months on the Internet. Like the best Onion
> articles, it prompted deep but sorrowful laughter -- partly because it
> brought back memories of MY first encounters with AOL and so on, round
> about 1994. (I had been using a Mac since 1984, but only as a word
> processor.)
>
> Anyway, this means I have to go through and remove ALL the cusswords
> and titties from SubSITE. I could do it by simply deleting everything
> and starting over, or, I could manually go through and cross out each
> Fuck and Shit. I might get about one tenth of the way through it while
> my mother is still alive.
>
> Eh, guess I'll just blow it off. She'll be on a 56k modem, what am I
> worried about. She'll look at the first two pages and get frustrated,
> like everybody else.
>
> Thank goodness.
>
> In other news, I BOUGHT A DVD PLAYER.
>
> Yep, finally did it. Put it off as long as I could. The only reason I
> finally bought one was to see if I was making Video CDs correctly. I am
> the kind of person who'll buy the movie camera first, start making the
> movie, and only buy the projector when I HAVE to, to see if I made the
> movie right.
>
> To tell the truth, I never heard any of The Hour of Slack CDs played on
> good speakers until last night. (It sounded GREAT!)
>
> Anyway, I decided it was time to move into the modern world. Since I
> had decided to start releasing our SubG video stuff in DVD -- and VCD
> -- I had to be able to CHECK them. I have a DVD player on my computer,
> but that is NOT the same.
>
> Wellsir, I didn't know a god damned thing about DVD players. I knew how
> much money I had, though. So I went over to the nearest Walmart and
> looked at their selection. A Sanyo was on sale for $99. A whole lot of
> the Shitty-Name Brands were on sale, too, for like $150.
>
> Oddly enough, over in a corner, unadvertised, separate from all the
> other DVD players, was a big stack of Apex DVD players priced at $68
> apiece. I had never heard of Apex and figured it was some Emerson
> wannabe, Emerson being the bottom of the barrel normally. But a quick
> look at the box indicated that it was at least TRYING to have all the
> features of the mighty Sony and Panasonic.
>
> I went home and got on a series of websites -- first consumer guides,
> and then video pirates, with the most help coming from "nerd-out.com"
> and something called "www.vcdhelp.com".
>
> There I discovered that this lowly Apex line of players was the
> favorite of the ultrageeks and pirates and hackers. The model I was
> looking at in Walmart, the Apex 1100W, had just come out but had
> already been "hacked" and was garnering rave reviews from the users.
> They were almost uniformly stating that while the chassis of this
> machine was a flimsy rattletrap piece of shit, it actually WORKED
> better than the much higher priced name brands. Half-assed CD-RWs with
> crappy mpegs burned onto them, mixed with MP3s in weird bitrates, and
> JPEGs of the family photos, the Apex played all manner of formats that
> the fancy shit is SUPPOSED to, but doesn't actually in many cases.
> (Indeed, my first VCD test, made a year ago, would not play on my
> neighbor's state of the art gear, back then, which made me think I was
> doing it wrong, but the sme disk plays on my $68 Apex FINE.)
>
> DVD, CD, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, VCD, SVCD, XVCD...
> MP3s, porno jpegs, your crappy home movie MPEG clips off that crappy
> digital camera... it all seems to work on this $68 piece of shit
> Walmart box, Apex 1100W.
>
> So after all that reading-up I went and bought the thing. Hooked it up
> and checked to see how easy it would be to hack it so that it will play
> through (and be recorded by) a VHS VCR. For some reason I don't need to
> hack it; it already plays through and records. I only have 3 DVDs, but
> I tried all the other media types. I converted the SubG MTV thing from
> DV format to a VCD, and it played fine, not quite as well as the VHS
> original, but almost. Determined that I could indeed convert ARISE to
> VCD and it'll look fine, if I make myself a transfer of the entire
> video to DV format for conversion. (I tried converting things UP from
> the WMV and existing low res format copies of ARISE, but that looks
> like shit.)
>
> I have to copy all of Dobbsfilm Shorties to another drive to make that
> transfer, though.
>
> One thing I determined in the course of doing all this was that the
> best way to do ARISE, REALLY, is not this half assed VCD thing -- VCDs
> really are not that great -- but a for-real full res DVD. And to do it
> from the 1" original master, which I actually have in my possession.
>
> So, tomorrow, between SubSITE fix-ups, I am going to start pricing DVD
> duplication (from 1" video master), preferably here in Cleveland, since
> I'd rather be able to DRIVE the master to the facility and supervise
> the first transfer rather than mail it to some fucks in Taiwan or
> wherever. Depends on what kinds of deals I can get.
>
> I might only need to make a few copies; maybe I can buy a DVD burner
> later and be able to copy those myself.
>
> But really, ARISE needs to be on something more permanent than these
> two 1" masters, anyway.
>
> I also suddenly realized that, THOUGH we need to do a bunch of work on
> the end section of ARISE to replace the PO Box and add the URL, etc., I
> CAN NOW DO THAT MYSELF!!! I was so used to having to think of video
> titling in terms of paying some post production facility -- it took me
> a day to remember that I had spent several weeks learning how to do
> just that on my big G4 computer. I would still have to pay to lay the
> DV clip over to the 1" master but that's probably $100 or so...?
>
> I have been downloading movies from news groups in DivX format. DVD
> players will not play DivX. To play them on a DVD player you have to
> convert them to the LOWER-resed VCD format (MPEG 1 at 320x460 picture
> size). One thing I did learn about burning your pirated DivX movies to
> VCD (as opposed to just watching the DivX on your computer screen) --
> IT TAKES A FUCKING LONG TIME. It takes ALL NIGHT for a FAST computer to
> convert HALF of a feature movie from DivX to VCD. (VCD only holds about
> one hour of video.)
>
> Then , watching the VCD just makes you want to go out and buy the DVD.
> VCD is roughly akin to a home-made VHS tape. Fine if that's all there
> is to watch, but, I can see how people get completely spoiled by DVDs.
>
> The DivX format, a variation of MPEG 4, which only plays on computers,
> is WAY better than VCD or VHS (and takes up HALF the file space of
> VCD!). However, it's developed OUTSIDE THE CONSPIRACY LOOP. It works
> better than any of Their codecs, but of course it's not used in any of
> Their appliances.
>
> AS I UNDERSTAND IT. I am new to this game.
>
> I'm making another tech jump. Over my career I went from flip-it-books
> on paper to 8mm silent animations to Super-8 with loosely synced
> soundtracks on tape, to 16mm double system sound, to 3/4" video, to low
> res Internet videos, to broadcast quality digital video. With long
> breaks in between where I wasn't doing film or video of any kind. I
> have had to do a LOT of reading to make each jump up. I have been able
> to find everything I needed to know on line or in the library. I have
> been able to work on borrowed gear, unless the prices went down to the
> point that I could buy my own. (I never did own any 16mm film or pro
> video editing equipment, but you CAN edit video and multitrack sound on
> a used $400 computer now.)
>
> I love this shit! I love reading the instructions! I love it when I
> finally find the ONE SIMPLE STATEMENT that explains, say, the
> difference between VCD and SVCD. And then I start making all these
> lists in my head of which SubGenius things to convert first.
>
> And then I find out how long the conversions take! AIEEE! Heh. It's
> always something. And I still don't know a GOT-damed thang about Flash
> and Director and all.
>
> A few years ago, my son said, "Dad, you're BEHIND. You're OLD. You need
> to start adding a zero to EVERYTHING." He was right. I did, and now I
> am young again, even though it makes me almost 500 years old, doing
> things his way.
>
> And have you seen these new thingies they have, called "electric
> razors?" It's a MACHINE that cuts your beard. Some of them run on
> batteries and you don't even have to plug them in. One would think a
> mechanical contrivance for cutting facial hair would be crude and
> painful to apply, but these new gizmos just throb comfortingly and
> hardly ever nick or scrape! This modern world, I tell you. What'll they
> come up with next. "Photo-Copy-ers"?
>
> --
> 4th Stangian Orthodox MegaFisTemple Lodge of the Wrath of Dobbs Yeti,
> Resurrected (Rev. Ivan Stang, prop.)
> P.O. Box 181417, Cleveland, OH 44118 (fax 216-320-9528)
> A subsidiary of:
> The SubGenius Foundation, Inc. / P.O. Box 204206, Austin, TX 78720-4206
> Dobbs-Approved Authorized Commercial Outreach of The Church of the SubGenius
> SubSITE: http://www.subgenius.com
> For SubGenius Biz & Orders: call toll free to 1-888-669-2323
> or email: jesus@subgenius.com
> PRABOB

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: "St. Marc the Perpetually Amused" <disciple@templeoferis.org>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Sun, Jun 23, 2002 5:56 PM
Message-ID: <3d164414$0$3568$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com>

On 6/23/02 1:02 PM, in article 230620021403193086%stang@subgenius.com, "Rev.
Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:

> There I discovered that this lowly Apex line of players was the
> favorite of the ultrageeks and pirates and hackers.

Another famous story about APEX: One of their earlier players, which I have
at work and zealously guard to keep wrong-doers away from it, was shipped
with some, shall we say, uncompleted ROMS. If you push the buttons on the
remote in the proper order, you can turn off region encoding, Macrovision
copy protection, and do a few other interesting things. Needless to say, if
I weren't so zealously guarding it, someone could sell it for a LOT of
money. More than the $89 I paid for it, anyway.

St. Marc

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: cphilipp@nycap.rr.com (Christopher K. Philippo)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002 1:41 AM
Message-ID: <c2d2252f.0206232141.6fe19ea4@posting.google.com>

Happy to hear you got a DVD player & also that you'll be making the
SubG videos available on DVD (when possible). Dang - and I just
ordered some VHS from your store....

I've heard the same thing about the APEX from a video store owner -
that it's in some ways better than more expensive models. Neither my
Sony DVD player nor my iMac can read even the VCDs he burns, but the
APEX can. I've ordered a couple non-US region DVDs that I plan to use
when I go shopping for a new DVD player to find one that will play
them for sure. (Tom Tykwer's "Heaven," which carried out a film
planned by Kieslowski, and "23 - Nichts ist so wie es scheint," based
on the German hacker who called himself Hagbard Celine and which has a
cameo by RAW.)

I know someone who got a good deal overseas on bulk DVD duplication
for a DVD he authored, and could get info about that if you (Stang)
want.

Toff

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002 10:54 AM
Message-ID: <240620021055276606%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <3D163BFE.81277CF4@yahoo.com>, El Queso
<the_cheese_23@yahoo.com> wrote:

> A new, cool DVD player is almost worth the permanent loss of .05% of
> your slack for stepping into a Walmart. If you stay in the store more
> than 20 minutes, you will start to grow a mullet.

I wish somebody'd told me that 30 years ago.

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002 11:00 AM
Message-ID: <240620021100536183%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <DuDR8.418778$Oa1.29746749@bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
ICEKNIFE <iceNODAMNSPAMknife@lmi.net> wrote:

>
> naw, I just have an entirely justified aversion to concentrated snubjeemie
> lingo.

he said, using KPFA Berekeley Puzzling Evidence SubGenius Radio Show
inside-joke SubGleemie jargon coined by Wellman and G'Broagfran.

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002 11:03 AM
Message-ID: <240620021104007450%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <3d164414$0$3568$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com>, St. Marc the
Perpetually Amused <disciple@templeoferis.org> wrote:

> On 6/23/02 1:02 PM, in article 230620021403193086%stang@subgenius.com, "Rev.
> Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:
>
> > There I discovered that this lowly Apex line of players was the
> > favorite of the ultrageeks and pirates and hackers.
>
> Another famous story about APEX: One of their earlier players, which I have
> at work and zealously guard to keep wrong-doers away from it, was shipped
> with some, shall we say, uncompleted ROMS. If you push the buttons on the
> remote in the proper order, you can turn off region encoding, Macrovision
> copy protection, and do a few other interesting things. Needless to say, if
> I weren't so zealously guarding it, someone could sell it for a LOT of
> money. More than the $89 I paid for it, anyway.
>
> St. Marc

The hacks for a dozen Apex models are available if you follow the leads
from vcdhelp.com or nerd-out.com. I was AMAZED. I didn't see anything
about codes punched into the remote, though.

I have more fiddling to do, but it appears that this machine was
already somehow hacked...? Could that be? A factory "mistake" by some
SubGenius worker? Like when the cable guy "accidentally" leaves all the
pay channels on free because he likes your record collection and the
bumper stickers on your car.

Not that mine did.

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002 11:12 AM
Message-ID: <240620021112338278%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <c2d2252f.0206232141.6fe19ea4@posting.google.com>,
Christopher K. Philippo <cphilipp@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> Happy to hear you got a DVD player & also that you'll be making the
> SubG videos available on DVD (when possible). Dang - and I just
> ordered some VHS from your store....

Yes, I just got that order!

I can change it too. But Club No and Night of Slack probably won't
become DVDs. In fact I'll probably pull Club No from the catalog soon.
Night of Slack has such classic stuff from The Day that we will
probably attempt to preserve it somehow.

However, it might be a couple of months before I get the DVD copies
going. IF X-Day doesn't preclude that need. I am calling around local
duplication houses today. We don't have much up-front $ to spend so
it's not like I can get a great bulk deal on 1,000. I need to get a
great bulk deal on... 50. But first I have to revise the PO Box stuff
and put the URL at the end. Praise Dobbs, I can now do video stuff like
that at home on my Mac. But I still have to pay somebody to lay the new
shots into the 1" master videotape. Which master incidentally has "FUCK
POLYGRAM!!" scrawled across it in Cordt Holland's handwriting.

>
> I've heard the same thing about the APEX from a video store owner -
> that it's in some ways better than more expensive models. Neither my
> Sony DVD player nor my iMac can read even the VCDs he burns, but the
> APEX can. I've ordered a couple non-US region DVDs that I plan to use
> when I go shopping for a new DVD player to find one that will play
> them for sure. (Tom Tykwer's "Heaven," which carried out a film
> planned by Kieslowski, and "23 - Nichts ist so wie es scheint," based
> on the German hacker who called himself Hagbard Celine and which has a
> cameo by RAW.)
>
> I know someone who got a good deal overseas on bulk DVD duplication
> for a DVD he authored, and could get info about that if you (Stang)
> want.

Sure hell yeah.

That's the other thing, I guess a DVD needs a "front end". The menu
graphics etc. Maybe I could farm that out to my SON! He can program
that shit. He'd fucking well better be able to, after what I paid for
his big-city edgie-cation. And he has a DVD burner.

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: prostata@bronze.coil.com (The Stinking Bishop Prostata Cantata MP)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002 12:16 PM
Message-ID: <7lg7fa.i372.ln@news.concourse.com>

In article <230620021403193086%stang@subgenius.com>,
Rev. Ivan Stang <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:
>
>
>DVD, CD, CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, VCD, SVCD, XVCD...
>MP3s, porno jpegs, your crappy home movie MPEG clips off that crappy
>digital camera... it all seems to work on this $68 piece of shit
>Walmart box, Apex 1100W.

How is the user interface for mp3 disks? i.e. does it handle
directories, and is it easy to find that particular file that you want to
hear that is sunk 4 subdirectories deep?

for $68 even i might actually get a DVD player.
--
-------
I have burped, farted, and sneezed at the same time, and I am still
alive. --Dan Povenmire, Los Angeles

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: El Queso <the_cheese_23@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2002 5:22 PM
Message-ID: <3D17904C.358219F0@yahoo.com>

ICEKNIFE wrote:
>
> El Queso wrote in message <3D16FDB4.2871336A@yahoo.com>...
> >
> >
> >ICEKNIFE wrote:
> >>
> >> El Queso wrote in message <3D16553F.76CC9454@yahoo.com>...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Rev. Son Gohan" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:10:22 GMT, El Queso <the_cheese_23@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > A new, cool DVD player is almost worth the permanent loss of .05% of
> >> >> >your slack for stepping into a Walmart. If you stay in the store more
> >> >> >than 20 minutes, you will start to grow a mullet.
> >> >> >Cheers,
> >> >> >Queso
> >> >>
> >> >> OHHHHH SHIT
> >> >>
> >> >> Is that cumulative or one-time-only loss?!?!
> >> >>
> >> >> I need to start TITHING now. *weeps bitter tears*
> >> >>
> >> >> uh, not that I ever stopped.
> >> >
> >> >As a Subgenii Doktor, I am devising a plan to take back our stolen slack
> >> >from Walmart. Part of it will be through my new band - Against the Wal.
> >> >We will be combining music, poetic terrorism (not REAL terrorism,
> >> >Scientology lawyers), and a heaping helping of Holy Mockery to make the
> >> >folks at Walmart squirm while showing the world what a soulsucking
> >> >machine it truly is.
> >> > One way to keep your slack inside a Walmart is to fart the entire time
> >> >you are there - ESPECIALLY while checking out in a crowded line. It is a
> >> >modified form of Excremeditation I call Flatulessence. It keeps you
> >> >grounded in who you are as a true Overman. It also keeps stupid people
> >> >from trying to start idle chatter with you.
> >> >Cheers,
> >> >Queso
> >>
> >> is this a troll where you act like a bobbie and someone yells at you for
> it,
> >> right?
> >>
> >> all bobbies who sound like bobbies must now be considered undercover
> >> government molemen, and are to report to subgenius seminars specifically
> FOR
> >> government molemen in the church.
> >>
> >> For the first three days, Stang wears an Ashcroft mask and you have to
> lick
> >> his ball and call him EXTRA-SUPER CAPTAIN SUBJEEMYMAN.
> >>
> >> In case anyone is wondering, it IS true Stang has only one nut, but it's
> >> more than twice the size of most, and centered right in the middle, which
> is
> >> just as good or even better. Or so he claims.
> >
> >I'm developing farting into a way to cease idle supermarket chatter, and
> >you think I'm joking.
>
> naw, I just have an entirely justified aversion to concentrated snubjeemie
> lingo.

The reason for that is that I am developing a new technique that may one
day end up as cannon if "Bob" likes it. You will see that I started the
post - as a Doktor - I was speaking as such, and therefore used
doctrinally appropriate lingo. Go read my other posts and see the lack
thereof. I'm no new guy Bobbie come lately. I've been down with "Bob"
since 1987. I have converted many and preached the word HARD. I have
hidden thousands of Dobbs tracts (the 'lil ones from the B.O.T.S.) and I
have met and killed "Bob" many times. When I use the lingo, I am
speaking as clergy.

>
> Please, don't think I would EVER attempt to discourage your public farting.
> Unless you do it near me, in which case I'll vomit on you. Ask anyone, I do
> that. A lot.

I'm sure you'd never come up to me and start talking about TV or
celebrities in a checkout line. Farting is cleaner than vomitting, and
nearly as effective.
Queso

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2002 12:11 PM
Message-ID: <250620021212043768%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <ftXR8.69542$Ny6.3833954@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
ICEKNIFE <iceNODAMNSPAMknife@lmi.net> wrote:

>
> Stinky, I don't happen to listen to KPFA much, it depresses me. Don't want
> to know that much about what's going on. Haven't heard the Puz show in over
> a decade. Sorry.

You haven't heard that radio show for over a decade, and it still
depresses you?

If only Wellman, Philo and Hal would get on alt.slack.

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: IKOTA <ikota@wistian.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2002 2:28 PM
Message-ID: <3D18B664.AAD2548E@wistian.com>

"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>
> In article <ftXR8.69542$Ny6.3833954@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
> ICEKNIFE <iceNODAMNSPAMknife@lmi.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > Stinky, I don't happen to listen to KPFA much, it depresses me. Don't want
> > to know that much about what's going on. Haven't heard the Puz show in over
> > a decade. Sorry.
>
> You haven't heard that radio show for over a decade, and it still
> depresses you?
>
> If only Wellman, Philo and Hal would get on alt.slack.
>

I don't think they enjoy the company of whiney morons like we do.

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Subject: Re: Future Is Now Old Fangled
From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Wed, Jun 26, 2002 11:14 AM
Message-ID: <260620021115286671%stang@subgenius.com>

In article <3D18B664.AAD2548E@wistian.com>, IKOTA <ikota@wistian.com>
wrote:

> "Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
> >
> > In article <ftXR8.69542$Ny6.3833954@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,
> > ICEKNIFE <iceNODAMNSPAMknife@lmi.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Stinky, I don't happen to listen to KPFA much, it depresses me. Don't want
> > > to know that much about what's going on. Haven't heard the Puz show in
> > > over
> > > a decade. Sorry.
> >
> > You haven't heard that radio show for over a decade, and it still
> > depresses you?
> >
> > If only Wellman, Philo and Hal would get on alt.slack.
> >
>
> I don't think they enjoy the company of whiney morons like we do.

What do you mean? Hal shares an apartment with LIES.

Wellman is really already here, using the name RLAN-something, and
Philo never actually learned to read.

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