From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of
SI)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, May 30, 2002 2:27 PM
Message-ID: <231b626.0205301027.5f165e5d@posting.google.com>
One of my nature-boy friends came back from nearly a year of travel while living with a backpack and a sleeping bag as his only possessions.
He befriended a bunch of starchildren who sapped him of just about all of his cash all the while teaching him their ways. He came back last night a babbling wreck spouting all kinds of consciousness-expanding BS that can only be the product of a complete and utter brainwashing.
I mean, Jesus, he's bought into Timothy fucking Leary's dumbshit. And we all know where that ends.
I finally detered him from his meandering psychobabble by rolling a bunch of doobies and telling him that he would have to shut the fuck up if we were going to get high. Perhaps I used better words, I don't know. I'm pretty abrasive when I want to be. But it worked, and so I can't very well knock the approach.
Anyway, I managed to squeeze the word "RAINBOW" from that head of his, and was very visibly put off. Every exposure I've had with these guys has been negative, but maybe that's just me. Certainly, he thinks they're the most enlightened people alive. He's even adopted some hippie name like Ashali or Asahi or Budweiser or something.
Has anyone here had a RAINBOW experience they could share, either positive or negative? Maybe I'm just mixing the organization with the putrid New York vibe. My friend is as fried and baked as a meal from Arthur Treacher's and I'm not sure what to do about it.
-APLY
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From: "Ellis Dee" <fxtrt22@yahoo.com>
Positive:
Went to a small gathering in Brooklyn's Prospect park
on a Saturday afternoon about ten years back. Lotsa
holistic tree-hugging themes and macrobiotic chow.
Inoffensive stuff, good vibes, not a bad way to spend
a day.
Negative:
Picked up a hippie-type hitch hiker in New Jersey about
the same time, said he needed a ride to NYC to see
his girl. During the ride he proceeded to carry on
about the Rainbow movement and what very cool people
are involved with it. Seemed very spacey and wired,
but I thought it may have been a case of too much acid
in his past. Drove through the Holland Tunnel and went
to the lower east side. I parked the car to get some
soft drinks for us, and upon my return found him shooting
up a speedball in the front passenger seat. I was rather
pissed off.
Moral:
Freeform "movements" attract a core of
sincere true believers, simultanously alot of asswipes.
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From: "Two Beans" <twobeans@godhatesyou.com>
"Ellis Dee" <fxtrt22@yahoo.com> wrote...
> Moral:
> Freeform "movements" attract a core
of sincere true believers,
> simultanously alot of asswipes.
Kinda like our little cult.
--
Two Beans
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From: "Alliekatt" <alleykatzen@hotmail.com>
People go on trips to acquire the experience of the journey. You just need to trust them to eventually recover from the stupidity necessary to go in the first place. And then afterwards he'll be much the wiser for being stupid. Like I was. I'm glad I was stupid. Otherwise I'd be bitter and bored and yearning for all the shit I've already done.
If what he did made and makes him happy, then he's got Slack on the way even if it cost him all his cash. I mean, in the long run, if we don't go on any adventures, we don't end up in the right place at the right time to catch our psouls. This includes the experience of perhaps being in the wrong place at the wrong time too.
People who self-destruct get that way because they hold on to something dead and gone. It sounds like he's trying to do the opposite, even if you think the answer's right in front of his face: GET SLACK! Except that he's trying to find his definition of his own slack that he can't get because he doesn't know what that is yet.
<snip>My friend is as fried and baked as a meal
from
> Arthur Treacher's and I'm not sure what to do about
it.
Ask him about the good things and what his real goal is in doing it. Validate his search and find out about the really fun and cool things. And don't judge him. The noise of judgment in your mind will destroy your friendship, and if you're going to continue to judge him then don't bother trying to set him straight, just go away and refuse permitting him to effect your life. If you judge, you're jealous.
Either way, we all end up in the same place feeding worms, and it doesn't matter if he's butt-ass poor and high and homeless as long as he's happy as a whistling gypsy.
alliekatt
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From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of SI)
Thanks for the advice. I didn't mean to come off as if I was unnecessarily rude to the guy. We had a good night aside from that. Simply, we were all hanging out when suddenly he got on his soap box and started proselytizing to everybody in the room for about an hour (no exaggeration). After which I said, "Look man, I don't mean to crowd your style right now, but could you take it down a notch?" Which he said he would, and then proceeded to chew the ear off my girlfriend for another thirty minutes before I stopped him again. She was very stoned and very mute at that moment. Considering how things seem to wear on to eternity when you're stoned, I could only imagine how hellish it must've been, although I got an idea by the severity in which she thanked me later that night.
As far as being happy is concerned, I do understand the importance of being so. I also understand that one great year may be worth tossing your whole life into the blender. Which, I believe, is exactly what he did. He had a good job where he was making a decent amount of cash and he had a decent amount of cash put away. Now he has a van full of starchildren that he pays to drive around and keep high. Will they still be there when the well runs dry? So he's happy now. Will he be when he eventually wakes up from this and realizes what has happened?
I'm just hoping he either wakes up very soon, or never wakes up at all.
-APLY
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From: "nikolai kingsley" <nikolai@broadway.net.au>
has he sent in his $30? sounds like he can rant.
nikolai
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had to be said
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From: "nikolai kingsley" <nikolai@broadway.net.au>
> People go on trips to acquire the experience of the journey.
people also go on trips to get away from the horror of mundane reality.
nikolai
---
remembering the nonexistant glass-walled garden i saw
in Sean's livingroom
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From: "Moonthirsty" <moonbee@bluemoon.net>
You mean the rainbow gathering thingydingy? I always wanted to go to one so a friend and I went a couple of years back. It was in PA, I think...
Anyway, we decided to dress all in black for some reason. We could easily have worn hippy clothes but I suppose we wanted to test their character by seeing how our clothes would affect our treatment. After driving in the scorching heat for several hours we finally arrived in the "parking field". We were promptly screamed at by some dreadlocked bearded dude because we were parking in the place reserved for people who were spending a week or more there. Sub-classed because we were unable to stay for more than a day. He apparently wanted us to park in the road, where there were no spaces for a good eight miles. So I ignored his boistrous welcome and parked wherever I damn well pleased. It is a National Forest, after all.
We got out of the car and got screamed at again by some other dipshit because we two ladies were not walking in single file along the side of the road and there was a car creeping up behind us at the traffic rate of 1/2 mile per hour. It was not the driver of the car with a problem. It was a traffic nazi, like the last one.
Hardly anyone called us "sister" as they're supposed to do, let alone spoke to us. And we most certainly were not treated with the same "Kindness" as I'm sure we would have been had we been wearing hippy dresses (I speak from past experiences with this particular breed of people). All in all, there was a bunch of unfriendly feelings and uptight assholes. Bullshit hypocrites who do in fact, judge people by what they're wearing rather than by their character.
The good thing about Rainbow gatherings is that the women take off their tops and there's lots of drugs. Some people also have sex in the open. Which may be why your friend was so influenced.
My advice is to blend in if you want to have a good time with the gatherers. They don't take kindly to people absorbing all their rainbow light energy in the sucking void that is the color black.
Nevertheless, I have known lots of very very cool hippies.
However, I think most of these people are some sort
of MTV variation of the real thing. It's a fashion
statement to them. I rate the Rainbow Gathering a
C- or a D on the scale of fun stuff to waste time with.
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From: "nu-monet v4.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
"Pardon me, Rainbow Brother, but do you have a cigarette? No? How about food? Weed? What exactly *do* you have that I can glom some of Rainbow Brother?"
--
"Lucent Technologies is determined to promote
constant attention on current procedures of
transacting business focusing emphasis on
innovative ways to better, if not supercede,
the expectations of quality!"
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From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of SI)
Wow, this would be funny if it didn't sound so close to the fucking truth.
-APLY
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From: edlohi@netscape.net (Eddie 'Hi There!' Lowther)
Greethings from the ARK, (newsfroup kibology central!) Missionarying there going well, but I forget if I'm suppsedood keep out them Discordians or what. So I don't.
I was readin' 'bout this thingie (RAINBRIDGERS), and noticed that uh well I don't like to cause trouble. ...[trails off. Funks. Listens to classical FM a bit]
Well okay but NO KARMA ON ME OK?!
Looks like a rainbow-fest will be in Mich1gan's OttaMa Forest real soon now. Militias in the state, I dunno, might not like it?!
Not that I'm going anywhere near that parTICULAR forest this summer. No sir!
Cheers!
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From: "Two Beans" <twobeans@godhatesyou.com>
Looks like another reason why I left that fucking state just in time.
--
Two Beans
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From: "nu-monet v4.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
Ah, but what if the BAND TOGETHER! and form a Right-Wing Hippie Dope-Smokin' Anti-Government Dirty Ted Nugent and Big Country armed to the freakin' teeth free-lovin' UFO cult...er
--
"It's like the Roman Empire. Wasn't everybody
running around just covered with syphilis?
And then it was destroyed by the volcano."
--Joan Collins
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From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)
Rainbow Brother gives you a BIG HUG!
"I love you!"
"Be you Black"
"Be you ... an indian"
"Be you ... Chinese"
"Be you ... gay"
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
"Whatever you can do, or dream you can do, begin
it.
Boldness has genius, power and magic to it."
- Goethe
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From: "nu-monet v4.0" <nothing@succeeds.com>
"I be glad to give you two hamburgers Tuesday for
a hamburger today!" -- Rainbow Brother Wimpy
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From: bobdiddley@aol.com (Bobdiddley)
Lupus Yonderboy said, among other things:
>I mean, Jesus, he's bought into Timothy fucking
Leary's dumbshit. And
>we all know where that ends.
If you're going to talk about Jesus, you'd better clear
it with Magdalen first. If you're going to use the
name of my beloved St. Timothy in vain, you'd better
make sure you've read a book or two, and are not just
shooting a bunch of half-assed bullshit of which you
know nothing. I don't know of Dr. Tim having anything
in particular to do with the Rainbow Family. What he
did do is make some breakthrough observations about
our psycho-social environment, without which such entities
as this very Church would have a much longer row to
hoe. "Turn on, tune in, drop out." Or, "Pull
the wool over your own eyes." Both signs of the
times, now past.
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From: dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Anti Pope Lupus of SI wrote:
> I mean, Jesus, he's bought into Timothy fucking
Leary's dumbshit. And
> we all know where that ends.
I don't, actually. Please explain.
> I finally detered him from his meandering psychobabble
by rolling a
> bunch of doobies and telling him that he would
have to shut the fuck
> up if we were going to get high. Perhaps I used
better words, I don't
> know. I'm pretty abrasive when I want to be.
But it worked, and so I
> can't very well knock the approach.
So you got your friend alter his behavior by giving
him drugs. Which
is different from the Conspiracy or Leary methods in
what way exactly?
> Has anyone here had a RAINBOW experience they could
share, either
> positive or negative? Maybe I'm just mixing the
organization with the
> putrid New York vibe. My friend is as fried and
baked as a meal from
> Arthur Treacher's and I'm not sure what to do about
it.
Maybe you ought to live your own life. If your friend
has found something which will help him live a better
life or destroy him utterly, it's what he's got to
do. You may voice your opinion, and decide if you
disapprove of brainwashing enough not to try to do
it. I urge you to consider learning more about any
subject before deciding on a final and conclusive belief
about it. My own small experience with Rainbow type
people is that they were already flaky hippie types
and they found other people like them. I feel that
any group which includes smoking dope and looking at
naked women among its activities can't be all bad.
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From: fossil_1984@hotmail.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel)
Congratulations, Dysko, you passed.
--
C.
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From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of SI)
Your test? Of course he did. He manipulated the words of an argument he conjured up just to be an asshole for absolutely no reason. I'll bet he got an A+.
-APLY
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From: fossil_1984@hotmail.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel)
Maybe you've forgotten how to read, Lupus. Or matbe we just have a difference of opinion.
Dyskolos was being rational and perceptive for a change.
I appreciate it and hope it lasts.
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From: dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org>
I'll murdr you you asshole.
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From: fossil_1984@hotmail.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel)
Welcome home, uncle Iceknife.
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Subject: Re: Opinions about RAINBOW?
From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of
SI)
dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org> wrote in message news:<3CF7F8BB.2A2226DF@menander.org>...
> So you got your friend alter his behavior by giving
him drugs. Which
> is different from the Conspiracy or Leary methods
in what way exactly?
Alter his behavior by giving him drugs? Asshole, he hadn't smoked shit yet when I asked him to tone it down. Changing the story to support your argument is no way to win it. That, and he's such an unbelievable pothead that smoking doesn't have the power to change anything in him anymore.
Why don't you get off your high horse? You're a usenet troll -- the absolute lowest form of life on Earth.
> Maybe you ought to live your own life. If your
friend has found
> something which will help him live a better life
or destroy him
> utterly, it's what he's got to do. You may voice
your opinion, and
> decide if you disapprove of brainwashing enough
not to try to do it.
Hey I've got a better idea. Why don't you read and address what I actually posted instead of your dumbass manipulation of it? Once again, only the weak minded and stupid need to change an argument to win it. If they can't win otherwise, they should stay out of it.
When did I say I tried to get him to change his ways? I asked him to tone down his proselytizing behavior that was making everybody in the room uncomfortable. If anybody was trying to brainwash, it was him.
For example, if a Jehovah's Witness starts preaching
at a Jew to change his ways or he'll end up in hell,
and the Jew tells him to tone it down
because it's making him uncomfortable, is that brainwashing
on the Jew's part?
Nice bait, dickless, but no cigar.
I also asked for positive and negative experiences for
everyone so I could get more informed in the case that
there was (or wasn't) a real danger I should help with.
In the future, don't try and help. Your mind is cluster-fucked
with ego-driven agendas and you can be of no help to
anyone.
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From: dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org>
Anti Pope Lupus of SI wrote:
> Alter his behavior by giving him drugs? Asshole,
he hadn't smoked
> shit yet when I asked him to tone it down. Changing
the story to
> support your argument is no way to win it. That,
and he's such an
> unbelievable pothead that smoking doesn't have
the power to change
> anything in him anymore.
Excuse me. I miswrote. You got your friend to alter his behavior by making his receipt of drugs contingent upon his doing so. As you clearly state:"I finally detered him from his meandering psychobabble by rolling a bunch of doobies and telling him that he would have to shut the fuck up if we were going to get high." I did not make that up. It is not a misunderstanding on my part. I wanted to point out the hazards of allowing our actions to resemble the very actions we oppose - like when we get so mad about people blowing things up that we want to blow things up.
> Why don't you get off your high horse? You're
a usenet troll -- the
> absolute lowest form of life on Earth.
Yes sir, I will.
> Hey I've got a better idea. Why don't you read
and address what I
> actually posted instead of your dumbass manipulation
of it? Once
> again, only the weak minded and stupid need to
change an argument to
> win it. If they can't win otherwise, they should
stay out of it.
You asked people for opinions, so I offered mine. If I misunderstood your statements, I apologize. As I wrote my opinion I had no awareness or intention of arguing or being involved in an argument or trying to win anything. My only intention was to address what you actually posted to the best of my ability.
> When did I say I tried to get him to change his
ways? I asked him to
> tone down his proselytizing behavior that was making
everybody in the
> room uncomfortable. If anybody was trying to brainwash,
it was him.
The tenor of your remarks appeared to me to be that you found it difficult to feel positively about your friend's experience and his behavior, and that you were concerned about his future if he continued in that path. My only intention was to suggest careful consideration before acting to influence him. Since you clearly disapprove of brainwashing I wished to point out that attempting to influence your friend into a type of behavior of which you could approve might be a form of brainwashing too.
> I also asked for positive and negative experiences
for everyone so I
> could get more informed in the case that there
was (or wasn't) a real
> danger I should help with. In the future, don't
try and help. Your
> mind is cluster-fucked with ego-driven agendas
and you can be of no
> help to anyone.
If I were not already inured to the continuous irony
of existence I surely would be shaking my head in puzzlement
at the extremity of your reaction. For once I sincerely
wished to make a positive contribution to the interaction
of the group and give my honest opinions and ideas
about the situation you described. What a fucking
waste of effort.
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From: dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org>
I was also absolutely sincere about not knowing where the Timothy Leary thing ends up. I figured if everybody else knows somebody could explain it to me. I have read some of his writings and find I am not his target audience so I thought if someone more familiar with him could explain it to me that would be educational for me.
Or just call me names, either way.
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From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of SI)
As Hunter Thompson put it:
The fallacy of thinking you can achieve enlightenment
at $3 a hit.
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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>
Which totally misses the point of what Leary was trying to do, and ignores all the work he did before AND after LSD. A shame that all you read were glib biographies rather than any actual work he did.
Her Ladyship Lilith
--
\m/ -=8=- http://lilith.foolspress.com/ -=8=- \m/
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From: Rev dode <dode(pee)@tystie.com>
dyskolos wrote:
> You asked people for opinions, so I offered mine.
If I misunderstood
> your statements, I apologize.
I'm finding signs of the end times everywhere this morning.
--
Change (pee) to p for mail
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From: lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of
SI)
dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org> wrote...
> For once I sincerely wished to make a positive
contribution
> to the interaction of the group and give my honest
opinions and ideas
> about the situation you described. What a fucking
waste of effort.
Okay, maybe my reaction was a bit extreme. But your contribution was VERY accusitory. If it had been someone else, maybe I would have given them the benefit of the doubt. If you have decided now to stop trolling, I will start doing just that.
You see, being constantly on the offensive causes people around you to get on the defensive.
But I understand what you were trying to say now that
you were a bit more reasonable about it.
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From: "Blackout" <blackout@404infomagic.net>
SUCKER!
beware the Nenslo GAFF HOOK!
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From: fossil_1984@hotmail.com (The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel)
lyonderboy666@hotmail.com (Anti Pope Lupus of SI) wrote...
> I mean, Jesus, he's bought into Timothy fucking
Leary's dumbshit. And
> we all know where that ends.
Really good acid?
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From: wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com (William Barwell)
At least he hadn't bought into Elron Hubbard's bullshit and wasn't trying to sell you expensive Scientology courses. Maybe he can hang around with the Hare Krishnas next time. It could be worse.
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
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From: dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org>
Trust you to bring Ron into it. And you wonder why
you don't get invited to parties.
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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>
Well anyway, back to those Rainbow People.
I am sure that many of them are just the sweetest things.
I have never been to a Rainbow Gathering, but Jesus, Nickie Deathchick, Will O'Dobbs, El Diablo and someone else did on the way to X-Day Drill 96.
Nickie, who was dressed Metal style -- in black and barb-wire, so to speak -- got precisely the same cold shoulder or even hostile reaction from the Love Brothers of Rainbow as did the person who started this post. They REALLY didn't like the way she was wearing the wrong uniform to their open minded gathering.
Jesus hated it because He found their "anti-commercial," "anti-profit" pose to be just that, and, worse, STUPID and AGAINST DOBBS. Bums and mooches calling property theft, but angry if you don't give them your property when they come begging.
The folks at Brushwood are leery of Rainbowers because too many of them have been known to steal.
Will hated it because it was outdoors. El Diablo liked it because he likes most hippie stuff.
Someone else loved it; in fact she eventually got New Age Religion, became a tipi-using story teller, and divorced my New Age-mocking ass! I don't blame that on Rainbow, though.
As for Tim Leary, I have read several of his books and have seen him speak 4 or 5 times, and have hung out with him briefly each time. I hope I am that smart, energetic, healthy and FUNNY when I'm 70. Before events put him in the media spotlight he was a serious scientist. After the gauntlet of notoriety, prison, and exile he switched to being a very funny entertainer. Despite the stereotype of Leary as a spaced out hippie, he's actually possessed of a more George Carlin like sense of humor -- pretty raw too -- and talks like a cigar-chomping Hollywood producer-type. Talked, rather.
Leary was a SubGenius fan, although he never sent in his $30. He did a station ID for Hour of Slack. ACE (www.rosencomet.com) sells some of his livlier rants on CD.
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From: Legume <none@yerbiz.com>
Rev. Ivan Stang wrote:
> hope I am that smart, energetic, healthy and FUNNY when I'm 70.
You mean wish you wre I am that smart, energetic, healthy and FUNNY way back when you WERE 70, don't you, Professor Farnsworth?
--
Dr. Zoidberg Legume
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From: bobdiddley@aol.com (Bobdiddley)
Newsgroups: alt.slack
dyskolos (or somebody calling him/herself dyskolos wrote:
>I was also absolutely sincere about not knowing
where the Timothy
>Leary thing ends up. I figured if everybody else
knows somebody could
>explain it to me. I have read some of his writings
and find I am not
>his target audience so I thought if someone more
familiar with him
>could explain it to me that would be educational
for me.
I suggest 'Politics of Ecstasy', an early, perhaps his first book after his psychedelic experience. After that, he became enmired in his struggles to avoid imprisonment, and his attempts to explain (again) what he had already stated, led to an increasing overcomplication of his psychic model.
He predicted, among other things: the evolution of a post-human species, incapable of procreation with homo sapiens (yeti?) - the increasing nest-messing of humans would make space migration necessary (X-Day?) - the last of the great analog thinkers, he joyously embraced and encouraged the development of the internet, virtual realities...
I'm tired now, and have to go
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From: wbarwell@starbase.neosoft.com (William Barwell)
>Trust you to bring Ron into it. And you wonder
why you don't get
>invited to parties.
I brought the Hare Krishnas into it too. I hope I don't get invited to their parties. With the Moonies you could end up with a wife who speaks only Korean.
Cheerful Charlie
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From: dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org>
Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench wrote:
> > As Hunter Thompson put it:
> >
> > The fallacy of thinking you can achieve enlightenment
at $3 a hit.
> Which totally misses the point of what Leary was
trying to do, and
> ignores all the work he did before AND after LSD.
A shame that all you
> read were glib biographies rather than any actual
work he did.
What's easier; boiling everything down into one-sentence
stereotypes, or not? I find that when I hear a person
referred to or defined by the same stereotype over
and over, there's usually a whole lot more going on
with them that it wouldn't be convenient for workdrones
to know about.
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From: dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org>
The Bishop wrote:
>
> dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org> wrote:
>
> > I wanted to point out
> > the hazards of allowing our actions to resemble
the very actions we
> > oppose - like when we get so mad about people
blowing things up that
> > we want to blow things up.
>
> Yeah, but what if you're not mad that something
got blown up, but
> that the WRONG thing got blown up? WTC, bad explosion.
Field fulla
> Taliban, good explosion. Do you draw any distinction?
Everyone has their own idea what's the right thing to blow up and who's the right person to kill. Thinking of an entire class of people as all being the same and all equally deserving of destruction is what causes terrorist attacks.
> Do you acknowledge any crime that would warrant
death? Do you hold any stock
> in personal responsibility? Sticking to a principle
to the point where
> we don't allow ourselves to have well-deserved
opinions, or where we
> allow our own slaughter rather that "dirtying"
ourselves with violence
> is precious, unrealistic, and...well, hazardous.
>
Life is a complex process with many variables. Changing
circumstances dictate different courses of action.
Yet it is possible to imagine a situation in which
choosing to die rather than kill would be the best,
possibly most honorable path, though most people prefer
to imagine situations which would let them indulge
their urges toward vengeance, punishment and domination.
What we imagine rarely comes to pass and our theories
about our actions in imaginary situations are rarely
of use in real situations. I hope you are not attributing
that '"dirtying" ourselves with violence'
idea to me, as I have never said or felt anything of
the kind. As for "Sticking to a principle to the
point where we don't allow ourselves to have well-deserved
opinions," I reserve the right not to have an
opinion if it pleases me so to do. Opinions, they
say, are like assholes; everybody's got one and they're
usually full of shit. And the more of an asshole a
person is, the more opinions they are likely to have.
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From: "Blackout" <blackout@404infomagic.net>
"dyskolos" wrote >
> And the more of an asshole a person is, the
> more opinions they are likely to have.
case in point
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From: Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench <lilith@ZubJenius.com>
dyskolos <dyskolos@menander.org> wrote:
> Her Ladyship Lilith von Fraumench wrote:
> >
> > > As Hunter Thompson put it:
> > >
> > > The fallacy of thinking you can achieve
enlightenment at $3 a hit.
> >
> > Which totally misses the point of what Leary
was trying to do, and
> > ignores all the work he did before AND after
LSD. A shame that all you
> > read were glib biographies rather than any
actual work he did.
>
> What's easier; boiling everything down into one-sentence
stereotypes,
> or not?
Depends on whether or not you care about getting flamed.
> I find that when I hear a person referred to or
defined by the same
> stereotype over and over, there's usually a whole
lot more going on
> with them that it wouldn't be convenient for workdrones
to know about.
Well, at the risk of boiling things down:
Leary didn't advocate LSD for the masses, ever. He kept insisting that LSD remain legal so that legitimate research into its effects could continue. But even testifying before Congress did nothing to prevent its criminalization, as Congress has pretty much made up its collective mind and has already decided LSD was a "dangerous drug". So in such a situation, Leary took a different tack--he tried to contribute to the drug culture so as to minimize the damage and even attempt a bit of good. But the stigma of his actions have tainted peoples' perceptions of him since. Oh well, monkey see, monkey screw.
Her Ladyship Lilith
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