Vinyl vs. CD - Vinyl was better

Date: Fri, Jan 4, 2002 9:00 PM

From: "xenu" <goaway@yhaoo.com>

"iDRMRSR" <alex.i.thymia@depression.org> wrote...

> Somewhere along the line I uncovered a box of long forgotten 20 year old
> cassettes. They were made from New Wave '80s albums recorded from vinyl
> records with that thing once known as a Turntable. I also have the CD
> version of the various artists compilations of the same stuff. You
> know, great things like Men Without Hats.
>
> My car has both a tape and a CD player.
>
> I swear by Bob in direct A/B comparison, the vinyl analog stuff has a
> much RICHER sound, FULLER BASS, and more natural sounding treble than
> the digitized versions.
>
> Which sound fucking tinny.
>
> I'll have to one day exit this life realizing that, at one time WE HAD
> IT. Then we fixed it, which ruined it.
>
> Damn.

I have never heard a vinyl album it would be neat to hear one

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From: "Heart Ignite" <heartignite@hotmail.com>

I gotta agree,
I have a huge collection of vinyl and it's sounds truer than digital stuff.
When you hear a band play live you can't distinguish certain things, notes,
and little sounds, but if you concentrate on digital you can seperate those
things and it does sound "tinny".
I played bass guitar in high school and up til about 23 and one year for
christmas my father bought me this small amp the size of a fist that plugged
into the headphone socket of my bass. It was used so you could get real
loud with headphones so the neighbors in my apartment complex wouldn't call
the cops. I used it twice, but couldn't stand the digital "grate" sound it
made. Plus-the actual down to the marrow of your bones soul shaking bass was
nonexistant which kinda defeated the purpose of playing rythm in my mind.
When I'm in my saucer I'll have a "vinyl burner".
But part of the fun of the dead medium is searching for bulldada while
garage sailing or thirft shopping. For some reason the best "worst" albums
never make it to CD.

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From: "Ricky Nielsen" <rickyn@lor.net>

> I have never heard a vinyl album it would be neat to hear one

I am truely ammazed and just now realized how old I am>

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From: iDRMRSR <alex.i.thymia@depression.org>

>>I have never heard a vinyl album it would be neat to hear one

Sheeyit, you musta popped out since 1982, eh? Or are you one of them
clone things I read about with my bad eyes?

Now I feel SO OLD. But it ain't your fault, I was feeling pretty old
already before I started this thread.

Truth to be told, I almost go back to before there wuz computers of ANY
sort. I think ENIAC was around before me, though, I'm post Bomb, and
they used one for at least some of the calculations, I think.

Well, if you can dig up a turntable and find a junk shop, you should be
able to play yerself some real audio. Actually, I recommend you go and
try to find a TUBE amplifier to play it out of. You might like it.

I don't know what in your experience you would liken the difference to?
I mean, vinyl music had richness and feeling. Let's say, it's like
this. Back in my day, a girl with 36 inch boobs and 38 inch hips was
considered prime fuck meat. That was like vinyl.

Now, if a girl is any thicker around her ass than her neck, she's fat.
That's like digital.

If you'd like, I can tell you some other things. Like phones with wires
and dials that you had to be there in person to answer or you'd miss the
call. Popcorn that you cooked on an open fire! Entire cities where you
had to go to a restaurant and sit down to eat a hamburger. Living in a
part of town where you never even HEARD of a taco or a bagel. Paying
for everything with cash. Getting to the bank before 4 PM on weekdays
only. Doing your grocery shopping before 6 PM, and never on Sunday.

Sheesh, it's a miracle we survived.

[*]
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From: Artemia Salina <y2k@sheayright.com>

iDRMRSR wrote:

> Paying for everything with cash. Getting to the bank before 4 PM on weekdays
> only. Doing your grocery shopping before 6 PM, and never on Sunday.

I must be a throwback to the stone age because I still do these
things.

> Sheesh, it's a miracle we survived.

Worst of all was having to get out of your chair every time
you wanted to change the channel on your TV.

And DON'T "MACHINE GUN" IT or you'll break it!!

--
Artemia Salina -- http://www.drpez.com/drali1.htm
Stork-billed Dotery Viviparously Drugs Shine Hut!!! Just ask Kevan!

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From: inigo@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts)

>> Paying for everything with cash. Getting to the bank before 4 PM on weekdays
>> only. Doing your grocery shopping before 6 PM, and never on Sunday.
>
>I must be a throwback to the stone age because I still do these
>things.

Join the club. I use cash. I don't use one of those store discount
cards. I just don't think it's any of their bidness what I buy. All
that's going to disappear though, Real Quick Now, when them
implantable ID chips become mandatory. And they thought we were just
paranoid lunatics when we said they existed at all.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

> For some reason the best "worst" albums
> never make it to CD.

I suggest a look at the thrift bin that I use, alt.binaries.sounds.mp3,
where folks post copies of their fave great badalbums.

Even decompressed from MP3s, these (for instance) Bonzo Dog Band and
Captain Beefheart albums sound infinitly better as bootlegged CD copies
than my LP versions do. I have the kind of ultra cheap turntable that
also plays the scratches, pops and hiss along with the record.

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

> I am truely ammazed and just now realized how old I am>

BABIES! I have a few of those immensely heavy, thick 78 RPM records
that I boosted from my parents' collection -- novelty bands from the
30s. I think those were cast in some kind of very hard wax or something
-- it was pre plastic.

Yes, I said "pre plastic." That was back in the days of wood and iron,
when men said "Man" instead of "Dude."

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

Remember "books"? Man, those were the days. How about "walking"? People
used to actually do that!!!

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

I find all that modern fake money stuff real convenient. My book
keeping program downloads all the info from my bank and credit carde
companies and then automatically tells the government at tax time. If
They want to watch your ass They'll watch your ass, with binoculars if
need be. I figure, if I make it easier for Them to spy on me, They
won't CARE, and also I might get my sentence reduced by a few years
later on. You think?

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From: HellPope Huey <hellpopehuey@subspamgeenyus.com>

Ah, you guys! Digital sound is music MINUS all that surface noise. You mean you
STILL haven't gotten used to a fuller dynamic range without pops & white noise?
I understand why vinyl is still appreciated: it involves what is called
low-order distortion, which imparts a certain subliminal "warmth" to a sound.
The compression process that keep the volume range on vinyl lower so the needle
doesn't jump out of the grooves is another reason.
Same argument synth folks make for an all-analog signal path instead of various
digital recreations. Its WARM-sounding. That's why there's a big market in
effects & filter boxes that recreate certain aspects of that warmth.

For sure listen to what you like, but also keep in mind why the industry wanted
to DITCH vinyl. No, not just so they could fuck artists and buyers alike with
overpriced discs that cost less to produce and ship, although that IS their main
drive; so that you could keep hearing your remastered Zappa works without an
increasing number of blemishes and sonic artifacts that make you feel like a
penguin in bondage. The only real loss is liner notes and graphics you need a
jeweler's loupe to friggin' SEE. But hey, I'll take the juicier sound and be
glad of it.

We could have a good laugh over the music industry's recent plotzing because
"pirating" has caused CD sales to drop a whopping 2%, thereby damaging their
obscene profits and huge bonuses for cock-blockin' A&R men, but let's leave that
debate for Nu-Monet to spearhead. He has sharper tools.

HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com
Composer of
"14 Filthy Scat Rondos No One Wants To Hear"

"Sad what one pound of LSD can do to a human brain."
- said of Paula Orridge

You have to see the world for what it is
A circus full of freaks and clowns
and you'll never please everybody
its a well-established fact
I recommend a fifth of Jack
and a bottle of Prozac
- "ProzaKc Blues", King Crimson

With all the resources available to you
as a director, every day is an opportunity

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From: nu-monet <nothing@succeeds.com>

> How about "walking"? People used to actually do that!!!

"Walking"

Were those the people who are now called "Pedos?"
If so, that would explain a lot.
Did you read a lot of books about this "walking?"
Hmmm.

--
%

There is no nu-monet there is only Zuul.

In a year holding a three, or seven,
or five, or nine, or maybe not,
Two things, might be people, or armies,
or buildings,
Or anything really, blades of grass,
or stoats, or crapulous charlatans
spouting mimsy,
Might do something nebulous.
Insert made-up-bit here.

--Generic Nostradamus Quatrain from
"The Guardian"

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From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)

PATRIOTIC americans don't participate in FETISHISTIC ACTIVITIES like
this WALKING!

DEATH TO THE PEDOPHILES!

--
Joe Cosby

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From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)

>Actually, you are quite correct. CDs do not record extreme high end treble
>and extreme low end bass, due to the limitations of digital media. Those
>sound frequencies need analog continuity in order to be heard at all. This
>is why as an audiophile, I looooooooooooooove my turntable even WITH the
>slight scratchy hiss. Regardless of the crispness of digital media, analog
>will always provide the more natural sound.

Those pitches are outside your auditory range.

What digital lacks is white noise. Noise reduction technology was
sufficient to bring the white noise down to barely audible levels but
the signal to noise ratio of vinyl at it's very very best is still
just borderline.

Your brain takes that subliminal white noise and uses it to 'fill in
the gaps'.

Generally most music through history has some instrument/s that
provide 'continuou', they provide a constant sound 'background'. A
'base' to build on. Like the violins in classical music, the pedal in
church organ music, the droning rhaitas in arabic music, and so on.
If you look at most music -before- electronically and mechanically
recorded sound, there is some constant, even droning, sound.

Popular music until digital didn't tend to have that because the
recording process introduced this white noise and your brain did the
rest.

Look at music recorded by bands since digital was introduced and
compare it to music before then: if you look, you'll see it 100% of
the time, newer bands -all- use some kind of 'continuou'. They use
some instrument which sustains a constant, low, sort of 'background'
sound which never quits throughout the song. Then you look at earlier
bands (80's bands especially) and their sound is just simply 'thin'.
It was the limits of magnetic tape and vinyl recording that covered
this 'thinness' up.

If you want your CD's to sound like your tapes, find a pink noise
generator and feed your CD's through it. You'll never notice the
difference.

Or just record a blank cassette tape; just record for an hour in an
empty room so you just have that barely audible hiss. Then push that
through the same speaker as the CD.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

Q: what is the value of a good idea ?
A: Why, it's worth it's weight in gold where I work

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From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)

I went to a music store once and was buying a CD. I happened to
mention that I had the same one on vinyl and the girl there, about 15,
said "what's that?" I told here that we used to take a piece of soft
plastic and drag a spike through it and we pretended that the popping
crackling sound it made was music.

Not far from the truth ...

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

"Actually, I -- this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I like it.
When I'm talking about -- when I'm talking about myself, and when
he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."

- George W Bush, Hardball, MSNBC, May 31, 2000

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From: joecosby@mindspring.com (Joe Cosby)

I think vinyl is warm-sounding.

All that crackling and popping sounds just like a nice warm roaring
fire.

>For sure listen to what you like, but also keep in mind why the industry wanted
>to DITCH vinyl. No, not just so they could fuck artists and buyers alike with
>overpriced discs that cost less to produce and ship, although that IS their main
>drive; so that you could keep hearing your remastered Zappa works without an
>increasing number of blemishes and sonic artifacts that make you feel like a
>penguin in bondage. The only real loss is liner notes and graphics you need a
>jeweler's loupe to friggin' SEE. But hey, I'll take the juicier sound and be
>glad of it.
>

I miss that part. I wish they'd put CD's in those big LP sleeves.
There was some GREAT fucking art on some of them, that's all died now
though.

People were doing more acid in those days too though, that probably
helped some of those LP sleeves immensely.

To me, it's always a good idea to always carry two sacks of
something when you walk around. That way, if anybody says, "Hey,
can you give me a hand?," you can say, "Sorry, got these sacks."
- Jack Handey

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From: Tesla Coil <tescoil@devnull.ilbbs.com>

On 4 Jan 2002, Heart Ignite wrote:
> But part of the fun of the dead medium is searching for
> bulldada while garage sailing or thirft shopping. For
> some reason the best "worst" albums never make it to CD.

Alternately, the album well worth the no-one-else-wants-it
discount prices back when is now available on CD only as
an import at double the cost of a domestic CD. Used to be,
you bought an import cause it was something extraordinary,
now it's something that *was* a commonplace domestic release.

Be an interesting confrontation with the RIAA, a web database
accepting user reports, confirming recordings never transferred
to CD, or now out of print on CD--associated with mp3-sharing
of these tracks. It'd be treated to RIAA arguments that it cut
into sales of material for which there wasn't sufficient demand
to profitably continue producing (blink, blink, blink). Best
they could do would be explain how copyright was being asserted
to maintain artificial scarcity of these recordings to better
soak the consumer at a later date--public at large would really
sympathize with that one...

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From: YarkMeaty@Bahooga.com (Jubo Schmeerz)

>I swear by Bob in direct A/B comparison, the vinyl analog stuff has a
>much RICHER sound, FULLER BASS, and more natural sounding treble than
>the digitized versions.
>
>Which sound fucking tinny.

I agrees.

And you can throw them and cut somebody's head off.

try that with you CD's. Or put that in your parrot and go smoking it.
Or whatever suits you dirty-minded readers of farth and nudiness.

you should be. Yeah.

ahhhhhrrrrrr............

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From: HellPope Huey <hellpopehuey@subspamgeenyus.com>

>Be an interesting confrontation with the RIAA, a web database
>accepting user reports, confirming recordings never transferred
>to CD, or now out of print on CD--associated with mp3-sharing
>of these tracks. It'd be treated to RIAA arguments that it cut
>into sales of material for which there wasn't sufficient demand
>to profitably continue producing (blink, blink, blink). Best
>they could do would be explain how copyright was being asserted
>to maintain artificial scarcity of these recordings to better
>soak the consumer at a later date--public at large would really
>sympathize with that one...

Yeah, if the public at large didn't have the collective IQ of a sausage casing.
Who do ya think keeps BUYING all those shitty coasters at $15+ per? Goddamned
Hyoo-mons, I HATE THEM SO MUUUUCH!

I find better stuff at the CD resale shops anyway, so there IS the modest
satisfaction of denying them any sheckles via that route. Remember, when you
buttsplit MCA, it makes baby Jesus smile.

HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com
Not always the smoothest lager in the taphouse,
but sincere

"My job requires mostly masking my contempt
for the a$$holes in charge,
and at least once a day,
retiring to the men's room so I can jerk off
while I fantasize about a life
that less closely resembles Hell.
- "American Beauty"

"It was a miracle AND it was gross! Cool!"
- "The Simpsons"

It is not a lack of love,
but a lack of friendship
that makes unhappy marriages.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

The ultimate Net truth, rated R
http://www.poblano.com/

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From: Tesla Coil <tescoil@devnull.ilbbs.com>

Not long ago, talking about 45 B-sides that were better
than their A-sides, often to be asked "what's a B-side?"

This is better than when a word continues in use beyond its
original meaning. "Album Oriented Rock" radio, which now
means something much like radio *before* there was AOR.

> Well, if you can dig up a turntable and find a junk shop, you
> should be able to play yerself some real audio. Actually, I
> recommend you go and try to find a TUBE amplifier to play it
> out of. You might like it.

For a taste at no cost, provided it's not sealed in shrink wrap,
most used vinyl shops will play at least a track off an album so
you can get an idea of the music and condition of the LP.

> If you'd like, I can tell you some other things. Like phones
> with wires and dials that you had to be there in person to
> answer or you'd miss the call. Popcorn that you cooked on an
> open fire! Entire cities where you had to go to a restaurant
> and sit down to eat a hamburger. Living in a part of town
> where you never even HEARD of a taco or a bagel. Paying for
> everything with cash. Getting to the bank before 4 PM on
> weekdays only. Doing your grocery shopping before 6 PM, and
> never on Sunday.

Verily, and Time Was, when the word of "Bob" was being spread
throughout the globe by a vast network of photocopy machines
and rubber stamps, we had to walk, through the snow, uphill,
both ways, to and from the post office...

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From: inigo@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts)

> But part of the fun of the dead medium is searching for
> bulldada while garage sailing or thirft shopping. For
> some reason the best "worst" albums never make it to CD.

The double "Live Dates" is now on CD, I thought I was the only
American fan of Wishbone Ash, but when I was in the dorm at college, I
had a friend who had that album on reel-to-reel tape. He must have
gotten it from Columbia House. I've played that album so much that
I've destroyed two cassettes and done a pretty good job of mangling
the vinyl, Wishbone Ash! Wishbone Ash! Wishbone Ash! (et c.)
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From: IMBJR <imbjr@imbjr.com>

> Wishbone Ash! Wishbone Ash! Wishbone Ash! (et c.)

You mentioning Wishbone Ash has reminded me that I want "The
Alchemist" by Home. I have it in vinyl, but now I need the blessed CD
version. I know it exists - but I've yet to score.

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From: Lou Scannon <scannon@lmountain.com>

>Verily, and Time Was, when the word of "Bob" was being spread
>throughout the globe by a vast network of photocopy machines
>and rubber stamps, we had to walk, through the snow, uphill,
>both ways, to and from the post office...

and we had to do it barefoot

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From: HellPope Huey <hellpopehuey@subspamgeenyus.com>

>Not long ago, talking about 45 B-sides that were better
>than their A-sides, often to be asked "what's a B-side?"

Its a natural outgrowth of being a SubGenius: constant overattention to our
B-sides. I mean, what have our A-sides really done for us? Whether its the
heiney parts, the dark mental underside or waking up facedown in some awful goo
after a mega-bender, the B-side is ALWAYS more fun.

The A-side gets you to work and makes you pay the goddamned bills; the B-side
JUSTIFIES it. After all, the B-side is where "BOB" resides, and thus, is
naturally the superior one. You know I am right and if you disagree, kiss my
shiny metal B-side, EIEIEIEI!!!

HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com

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From: HellPope Huey <hellpopehuey@subspamgeenyus.com>

>> But part of the fun of the dead medium is searching for
>> bulldada while garage sailing or thirft shopping. For
>> some reason the best "worst" albums never make it to CD.

Yeah, I been lookin' for "Better Golfing Through Hypnosis," "A Child's Garden
Of Grass," "Sesame Street Sex Sonatas," "How To Avoid Probate" and "SubGenius
Beach Party" like a sumbitch, but no dice. Fuggers.

HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com

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From: HellPope Huey <hellpopehuey@subspamgeenyus.com>

Lies, all lies. Vinyl isn't better; LATEX is better.

HellPope Huey, hellpopehuey@subgenius.com

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