BOB IS...

By nenslo@teleport.com (NENSLO)
Date: 1 Apr 1995
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.religion.subgenius,alt.who.is.bob,alt.misc

BOB IS....

"'Bob' is... 'fill in the blank.' 'Bob' IS 'fill in the blank.'"
-some guy on TV.

"Bob" doesn't give you anything you don't already have. "Bob"
doesn't take you anyplace you aren't already at. "Bob" doesn't show you
anything that isn't already right in front of you.

"Bob" just gives you an EXCUSE to do what you always already wanted
to do anyway. If you read a SubGenius book and then go KILL A BUNCH OF
PEOPLE, well, that's bad. I personally advise against it because first of
all it's just RUDE, and it's the sort o f thing that stays on your record.
People don't let you forget doing something that stupid. But if you DO go
do something like that, "Bob" didn't make you do it. You were just
looking for someone or something to give you the sign that it's OKAY for
yo u to do what you really want to do, and you looked in those happy eyes
that say "NOBODY is going to tell you it's okay to do what you really want
to do so YOU have to TELL YOURSELF." So if you tell yourself it's okay to
do what you really want to do and what you really want to do is something
that you've been told all your life "You do this there's gonna be BAD
TROUBLE," and you do it and by golly there IS bad trouble, WHO'S STUPID?

There are two kinds of people in the world. The kind who figure
out that they are responsible for the results of their actions, and the
kind who don't. "Bob" doesn't take responsibility for ANYTHING,
ESPECIALLY NOT the loony inner cravings of some nut who thinks they have some sort of divine privilege to go unpunished for acts they know darn
well NOBODY goes unpunished for. "Bob" is a BLANK SPOT for you the viewer to put your own thoughts and ideas into. One person looks at "Bob" and sees a dreamworl d of delightful insanity, an infinite regress of
digressive infantility, another sees just a dumb joke. Neither one of
them is talking about "Bob."

When you talk about "Bob" you are TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S ALREADY INSIDE OF YOU. "BOB" IS WHAT YOU NEED HIM TO BE at any given moment. "Bob" lets you give yourself the nudge you need to strip yourself naked before the world. If you end up showing the wor ld all your secrets, and it turns out that you are just plain UGLY inside and out, or STUPID, or HUMORLESS, or a talentless nonentity with no social skills grasping for a peer group, or just too too hip and "serious" to see anything of value in anything but the very latest most taboo-breaking variety of CHEAP-ASS POPULAR CULTURE PRODUCT, then EVERYBODY'S a lot better off having you WEED YOURSELF OUT.

"Bob" deprograms his own zombies? NO! "BOB'S" ZOMBIES DEPROGRAM THEMSELVES, publicly, and PAY TO DO SO! That's right, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER evil mind control cult! "Bob" just fixes it so they do it RIGHT AWAY, right in front of everybody, all by them selves, usually WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING IT!

Some pitiful schmuck once said to me, thinking he was being REAL
COOL AND FUNNY, "Oh, 'Bob's' too PSYCHEDELIC for me!" ...see, PSYCHEDELIC was the officially approved THING TO HATE that week, no I don't mean hate, I mean THING TO USE AS A SIGNAL TO SHOW
YOU ARE HIP BY DERIDING AND SNEERING AT IT. Psychedelic was BAD, uncool, unhip that week. I've had people explain to me how they just thought the whole "Bob" thing WASN'T FUNNY, wasn't SERIOUS enough, was just a ONE-JOKE joke religion, and then turn right around and trot out their own personal favorite version of all that uncool, unhip, unfunny stuff, the one THEY thought was cool and hip and funny enough, and daring, risque, TABOO-BREAKING enough for them to risk their PRECIOUS REPUTATION FOR HIPSTERISM on, and guess what? Yeah, it was something about people who POKE HOLES IN THEMSELVES AND HAVE SEX ON BLACK SHEETS UNDER A PICTURE OF HITLER. Insert BIG SNORE sound effect here.

Of COURSE "Bob" isn't going to be SHOCKING enough, or HIP enough,
or he'll be too "psychedelic" or too SILLY or have too many NAUGHTY WORDS or NOT ENOUGH of the RIGHT naughty words for people who are looking for something or someone to BE COOLER THAN! I f you're looking for somebody to BE COOLER THAN, "Bob" is DEFINITELY your man, because there isn't a damn thing cool about "Bob," not a damn thing hip or shocking or daring or sophisticated about "Bob." Yes, once again, "Bob" has let you find EXACTLY wha t you were already always looking for.

Looking for something to sneer at? Something to think "just
doesn't cut it," isn't "up to snuff?" Here you go. I had some guy tell
me all about how he just didn't think that "Bob" stuff WENT FAR ENOUGH,
and showed me HIS one-joke religion, and GUESS W HAT? It was a WHOLE JOKE RELIGION FOR MAKING FUN OF JESUS! Big snore again please.

When people haul out their entire vocabulary of one-upmanship for
me, and explain very carefully why "Bob" just doesn't meet their
standards, friends IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME A BIT. I tell them yep, you're
right, you JUST DON'T NEED "BOB." Of course that's a lie. They need "Bob" just as bad as any cash-mailing bobbie does, they just need "Bob" for something else.

"Bob" doesn't do anything but let you FEEL OKAY about who you are
and what you are. If feeling okay about yourself involves doing all kinds
of really STUPID stuff, or bettering yourself at others' expense, or
sneering at everything but a tiny little und iscovered territory of your
personal ultimate hipness, or just doing a TOTAL BRAIN DISCONNECT, well, that's just who you are. You fall down and break your leg don't run
crying to "Bob." You brought it on yourself. We warned you.

--
-Copyright NENSLO KDV 1995-
Send One Dollar to box 86582 Portland OR 97286
This is a READER SUPPORTED ministry.

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Subject: Re: BOB IS...
From: ricky@usenet.nerdc.ufl.edu (Pizza Jesus)
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.religion.subgenius,alt.who.is.bob,alt.misc

NENSLO (nenslo@teleport.com) wrote:
: "Bob" doesn't give you anything you don't already have.

Yep, and we're off to a variation of the "All you need is love"
theme by the Beatles. There's nothing you can do that can't be
done. Nothing you can sing that can't be sung. Et cetera und so
weiter &c &c &c

: "Bob" doesn't take you anyplace you aren't already at.
: "Bob" doesn't show you anything that isn't already right in front of you.

See! See! Those are the lyrics!

: "Bob" just gives you an EXCUSE to do what you always already wanted
: to do anyway. If you read a SubGenius book and then go KILL A BUNCH OF
: PEOPLE, well, that's bad. I personally advise against it because first of
: all it's just RUDE, and it's the sort of thing that stays on your record.

"Bad" and "rude" are value judgements -- "illegal" is an objective fact.

: People don't let you forget doing something that stupid. But if you DO go
: do something like that, "Bob" didn't make you do it. You were just
: looking for someone or something to give you the sign that it's OKAY for
: you to do what you really want to do,

This is about ethics, isn't it? Is this what you're telling us (and don't
claim you aren't try to tell us something!)?

How can a person have ethics if the ethical system is of his own
making. Isn't the definition of "ethics": that which is customary
in our society? And the dilemma is that if a person decides to
accept the Catholic Church and the Pope as the defining source of
ethics, then that person is conforming to a group and not using
his critical judgement and could follow the entire bunch into
the thorny bushes.

But if a person decides to assign himself as sole judge of "right",
"wrong", "just" and "unjust", then the path to the thorny bushes
may be all the shorter. Criminals are an example.

: There are two kinds of people in the world. The kind who figure
: out that they are responsible for the results of their actions, and the
: kind who don't.

Or maybe it's not so binary. Maybe I feel responsible for some of
my actions but sometimes I don't. Let's talk about the ethics of
telling a lie. Let's suppose you use the office copy machine to
copy your tax return so you can get it in the mail on time. A week
later, an auditor shows up and discovers that five pages have been
copied on the machine that were not properly logged. Everyone in the
office is asked individually, "Did you copy something personal?"

OK, I hope you recognize this as the "missing strawberries" incident
from The Caine Mutiny... If you lie, then you keep your job
and your house and your wife and your kids. Telling the truth
causes you to lose the affore-mentioned.

Out of responsibility to your wife and kids, you should lie.

There. I've said it. I'm a sociopath. Lock me up.

: "Bob" doesn't take responsibility for ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY NOT the
: loony inner cravings of some nut who thinks they have some sort of divine
: privilege to go unpunished for acts they know darn well NOBODY goes
: unpunished for.

So I guess you're saying that there are some deeds that all right-minded
people regard as wrong. For example, murder. But nations still go
to war against other nations. And truely *innocent* people die in
these wars. Add the phrase "Just war" to the list of oxymorons.

: "Bob" is a BLANK SPOT for you the viewer
: to put your own thoughts and ideas into. One person looks at "Bob" and
: sees a dreamworld of delightful insanity, an infinite regress of
: digressive infantility, another sees just a dumb joke. Neither one of
: them is talking about "Bob."

AH! I've been trapped! There IS NO "Bob." "Bob" is both "Bob"
and not-"Bob" "Bob" is a koan "Bob" is the punchline, but WHAT IS
THE JOKE??? aaeeeeiiiiiii!

: When you talk about "Bob" you are TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S
: ALREADY INSIDE OF YOU. "BOB" IS WHAT YOU NEED HIM TO BE at any
: given moment. "Bob" lets you give yourself the nudge you need to strip
: yourself naked before the world. If you end up showing the world all your
: secrets, and it turns out that you are just plain UGLY inside and out, or
: STUPID, or HUMORLESS, or a talentless nonentity with no social skills
: grasping for a peer group,

Yep. This is me. In fact, I find it extremely difficult to conform
to any group except in the most superficial manner. As I said,
I'm a sociopath.

: or just too too hip

Hip people annoy the P.E. out of me. Hipness destroys itself.

: "Bob" deprograms his own zombies? NO! "BOB'S" ZOMBIES
: DEPROGRAM THEMSELVES, publicly, and PAY TO DO SO!

So how do these zombies get "re-programmed?" An "un-programmed" person is a sociopath. Where does virtue come into play?

What is the good? If I followed Aristotle, then friendship would be
the highest good. Or if I followed Epicurius, a good time is the highest
good. And the Stoics would say moderation is the highest good (so
I can have a bit of fun but NOT TO MUCH -- yow!)

: That's right, JUST LIKE EVERY
: OTHER evil mind control cult! "Bob" just fixes it so they do it RIGHT
: AWAY, right in front of everybody, all by them selves, usually WITHOUT
: EVEN KNOWING IT!

How does "Bob" do this? I say that no person can simultaneously
hold two conflicting notions in his mind at once. If he did,
he'd go mad. Not right away, but eventually. If there was a
civil war and you were required to kill your best friend in the
cause of your religion, then you'd have to reconcile the two
opposing feelings. You'd have to throw out one of them. You'd
have to rationalize your behaviour. Something would have to give.

And that's what "Bob" does to you. You admire him becuase he's
a great guy and he's got everything you want but you hate him
because he's a cheesy con-artist who ultimately returns nothing
of value to you. All you get for your money is a bunch of DUMB
APHORISMS. I mean, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO CHURCH PAMPHLETS #3 and #4?

: Some pitiful schmuck once said to me, thinking he was being REAL
: COOL AND FUNNY, "Oh, 'Bob's' too PSYCHEDELIC for me!"

Nah. Zippy is the PSYCHEDELIC dude. "Bob" is an advertisement

: I've had people explain to me how they just thought the
: whole "Bob" thing WASN'T FUNNY, wasn't SERIOUS enough, was just a
: ONE-JOKE joke religion

Yeah, it's a one-joke religion alright but it's a VERY LONG and
COMPLICATED traveling salesman joke religion.

: and then turn right around and trot out their own personal
: favorite version of all that uncool, unhip, unfunny stuff, the one THEY
: thought was cool and hip and funny enough, and daring, risque,
: TABOO-BREAKING enough for them to risk their PRECIOUS REPUTATION
: FOR HIPSTERISM on, and guess what? Yeah, it was something about people
: who POKE HOLES IN THEMSELVES AND HAVE SEX ON BLACK SHEETS
: UNDER A PICTURE OF HITLER. Insert BIG SNORE sound effect here.

But if it was a real live razorback hog they were humping on the
black sheet under a picture of Adolf, then maybe NENSLO would be
shocked. But only if they really liked doing it.

Did you know that humping a cow was one of the few capital offences
in the ancient Hittite law code? It must have happened ever so
often, otherwise they wouldn't have wasted the clay to write it
on.

: I had some guy tell
: me all about how he just didn't think that "Bob" stuff WENT FAR ENOUGH,
: and showed me HIS one-joke religion, and GUESS WHAT? It was a WHOLE
: JOKE RELIGION FOR MAKING FUN OF JESUS! Big snore again please.

Maybe he wasn't trying to impress you. These last few paragraphs
have talked about what makes an impression on people rather than
ethics. So is it better to be good or to be admired. If one is
admired, then people will seek your company and you will have
friends and friendship is virtue.

Thus, humping the pig on a black sheet under a picture of Adolf Hitler
is the one way to avoid ending up on the thorny bushes. NOW were's
talking serious Bulldada(tm)(Rx).

: When people haul out their entire vocabulary of one-upmanship for
: me, and explain very carefully why "Bob" just doesn't meet their
: standards, friends IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME A BIT. I tell them yep, you're
: right, you JUST DON'T NEED "BOB." Of course that's
: a lie. They need "Bob" just as bad as any cash-mailing bobbie does, they
: just need "Bob" for something else.

Refrain: "Bob" "Bob" "Bob"
All you need is "Bob"
All you need is "Bob"
"Bob" is all you need

And also, ... another silly "Bob"-song
What's wrong with that?
What's wrong with that?

: Send One Dollar to box 86582 Portland OR 97286
: This is a READER SUPPORTED ministry.

Thank you thank you thank you. I'm getting my money's worth.
Honest! NENSLO grapples with the apples of wisdom.

And folks, send ONE DOLLAR just like he says. It's sort of a Zen
exercise. Perhaps it's the easiest and cheapest *truely* *bizarre*
thing you can do.

--
Epopt of the Exploding Head of JFK. [SLACK OFF] Licensed to blaspheme the Gods!
My skull is bigger on the inside than the outside! Inquire for free estimate.
Ob-Bulldada: Send $1 to SubGenius Foundation, P.O. Box 140306, Dallas TX 75214

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Subject: Re: BOB IS...
From: ncm5662@is2.nyu.edu (Nicole C. Michaud)
Newsgroups: alt.slack,alt.religion.subgenius,alt.who.is.bob,alt.misc

Pizza Jesus (ricky@usenet.nerdc.ufl.edu) wrote:
: NENSLO (nenslo@teleport.com) wrote:

: : If you read a SubGenius book and then go KILL A BUNCH OF
: : PEOPLE, well, that's bad. I personally advise against it because first of
: : all it's just RUDE, and it's the sort of thing that stays on your record.

: "Bad" and "rude" are value judgements -- "illegal" is an objective fact.

Yeah, so? I would consider it rude to be killed. Think of it this way- to
leave people the fuck alone and not *bother* them, especially if they're
a SubGenius, is what life is all about.

: How can a person have ethics if the ethical system is of his own
: making. Isn't the definition of "ethics": that which is customary
: in our society? And the dilemma is that if a person decides to
: accept the Catholic Church and the Pope as the defining source of
: ethics, then that person is conforming to a group and not using
: his critical judgement and could follow the entire bunch into
: the thorny bushes.

Let me tell you a little something about semantics. Language is not
something inscribed in stone, like the dictionary would have you believe.
ESPECIALLY with something like 'ethics'. Your Catholic Church analogy
disproves your own argument- Catholicsm is part of 'society', but then by
definition, so is EVERYTHING ELSE. So those who define thier own 'ethics'
are just a smaller group, or SCHISM, unto themselves.

: But if a person decides to assign himself as sole judge of "right",
: "wrong", "just" and "unjust", then the path to the thorny bushes
: may be all the shorter. Criminals are an example.

Well, you just keep letting other people judge those things for you. I
think you're way to afraid of them "thorny bushes". "Please don't throw
me into the briar batch.."

: : There are two kinds of people in the world. The kind who figure
: : out that they are responsible for the results of their actions, and the
: : kind who don't.

: Or maybe it's not so binary. Maybe I feel responsible for some of
: my actions but sometimes I don't. Let's talk about the ethics of
: telling a lie. Let's suppose you use the office copy machine to
: copy your tax return so you can get it in the mail on time. A week
: later, an auditor shows up and discovers that five pages have been
: copied on the machine that were not properly logged. Everyone in the
: office is asked individually, "Did you copy something personal?"
: OK, I hope you recognize this as the "missing strawberries" incident
: from The Caine Mutiny... If you lie, then you keep your job
: and your house and your wife and your kids. Telling the truth
: causes you to lose the affore-mentioned.

That's pissant little nonsense that means nothing. Taking responsibility
for your actions has a little more leeway than that. It's the difference
between not blaming society if you kill a bunch of people. Did your
father who used to beat you up take your hand and pull the trigger with
your finger on it? If it gets so bad that you MUST KILL, or anything
compels you to do something you don't want to, you should just end it
all, man. Control over one'sown actions is utmost. If ever I did anything
stupid in my life, and said to myself that I should've known better, I
just learn from the experience and don't do it again. I don't say, "well,
society didn't teach me well enough." THAT'S personal responsibility.

: : "Bob" doesn't take responsibility for ANYTHING,
: : ESPECIALLY NOT the loony inner cravings of some nut who thinks they
: : have some sort of divine privilege to go unpunished for acts they know
: : darn well NOBODY goes unpunished for.

: So I guess you're saying that there are some deeds that all right-minded
: people regard as wrong. For example, murder.

No, more like banning masturbation in public schools. And making
everybody work. And annoying me.

: AH! I've been trapped! There IS NO "Bob." "Bob" is both "Bob"
: and not-"Bob" "Bob" is a koan "Bob" is the punchline, but WHAT IS
: THE JOKE??? aaeeeeiiiiiii!

Oh, get over it.

: : "Bob" deprograms his own zombies? NO! "BOB'S" ZOMBIES DEPROGRAM
: : THEMSELVES, publicly, and PAY TO DO SO!

: So how do these zombies get "re-programmed?" An "un-programmed"
: person is a sociopath. Where does virtue come into play.

The idea is to PROGRAM YOURSELF, or not. When you get tired of that,
switch to another one.

: What is the good? If I followed Aristotle, then friendship would be
: the highest good. Or if I followed Epicurius, a good time is the highest
: good. And the Stoics would say moderation is the highest good (so
: I can have a bit of fun but NOT TO MUCH -- yow!)

Yes, we can all see you took Intro to Philosophy. Very good. You may now
have a cookie.

: I say that no person can simultaneously
: hold two conflicting notions in his mind at once. If he did,
: he'd go mad. Not right away, but eventually.

Maybe YOU would. 'Mad', perhaps, by the definition of them, is to be able
to hold two conflicting notions in your head at once. This is a talent
that "they" lack. Or many conflicting notions, for that matter. The trick
is to just do it, and not to think about it too much. This is Slack, to
just DO and BE.

: If there was a
: civil war and you were required to kill your best friend in the
: cause of your religion, then you'd have to reconcile the two
: opposing feelings. You'd have to throw out one of them. You'd
: have to rationalize your behaviour. Something would have to give.

First of all, if you were in a religion that required you to kill your
best friend, I wouldn't talk to you. Secondly, this is the sort of
dillemma that only happens to stupid people.

: And that's what "Bob" does to you. You admire him becuase
he's : a great guy and he's got everything you want but you hate him
: because he's a cheesy con-artist who ultimately returns nothing
: of value to you. All you get for your money is a bunch of DUMB
: APHORISMS. I mean, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO CHURCH PAMPHLETS #3 and #4?

Dumb aphorisms aren't unuseful, bud. But if that's all you're seeing, well...

: : I've had people explain to me how they just thought the
: : whole "Bob" thing WASN'T FUNNY, wasn't SERIOUS enough, was just a
: : ONE-JOKE joke religion,

: Yeah, it's a one-joke religion alright but it's a VERY LONG and
: COMPLICATED traveling salesman joke religion.

Don't argue with NENSLO on this point, man, 'cause he's RIGHT, always. If
you don't understand this, I don't think I'm capable of explaining it in
words. It's entirely pre-, post, sub-, and UBER-verbal.

: : Looking for something to sneer at? Something to think "just
: : doesn't cut it," isn't "up to snuff?" Here you go. I had some guy tell
: : me all about how he just didn't think that "Bob" stuff WENT FAR
: : ENOUGH, and showed me HIS one-joke religion, and GUESS WHAT? It was
: : a WHOLE JOKERELIGION FOR MAKING FUN OF JESUS! Big snore again
: : please.

: Maybe he wasn't trying to impress you. These last few paragraphs
: have talked about what makes an impression on people rather than
: ethics. So is it better to be good or to be admired. If one is
: admired, then people will seek your company and you will have
: friends and friendship is virtue.

Goodness leads to admiration from the right people, whatever those words
mean to you. 'Virtue' is an almost meaningless word. You need to read
what Robert Anton Wilson has to say about meaningless language. If it
can't be proven objectively, it's meaningless. Like "this object has this
particular mass in this gravity", is meaningful, but "this object is bad"
cannot be proven objectively, so is meaningless.

: : "Bob" doesn't do anything but let you FEEL OKAY about who you are
: : and what you are. If feeling okay about yourself involves doing all kinds
: : of really STUPID stuff, or bettering yourself at others' expense, or
: : sneering at everything but a tiny little und iscovered territory of your
: : personal ultimate hipness, or just doing a TOTAL BRAIN DISCONNECT,
: : well, that's just who you are. You fall down and break your leg don't run
: : crying to "Bob." You brought it on yourself. We warned you.

This is the ultimate truth, and once you understand this, all will work
out. If only more people got this on thier own. For the saddest thing
about this truth is that it must be learned by experience; no matter how
often it stares you RIGHT IN THE FACE, you still have to arrive at the
conclusion on your own.

------Rev. Nickie

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Subject: Re: BOB IS...
From: pkitty@netcom.com (Purple Kitty)

Nicole C. Michaud (ncm5662@is2.nyu.edu) wrote:
: Pizza Jesus (ricky@usenet.nerdc.ufl.edu) wrote:
: : NENSLO (nenslo@teleport.com) wrote:
:
: : "Bad" and "rude" are value judgements -- "illegal" is an objective fact.

: Yeah, so? I would consider it rude to be killed.

Of course, this does fall under "meaningless language", as you discuss
further down in the post. "Rude" can't be objectively defined, and is
therefore meaningless. E.g.: If someone says something that offends your
religion/ideology/gender/race/orientation/school/lunchmeat/spam and you tell them so and ask for an apology, are you being rude? Were they being rude? Am I being rude right now? <shrug> Everyone will answer
differently, so no one's answer matters! Or maybe everyone's answer
matters, but that's really the same thing (for all intents and purposes).

: leave people the fuck alone and not *bother* them, especially if they're
: a SubGenius, is what life is all about.

Mmmmno, I'd disagree. I think it can be very important to bother people,
if they NEED to be bothered. Think about this: Some people, if you didn't
do something that bothered them and interfered with their lives (e.g.,
converting them to the Church, or explaining why it's okay to say No when
asked to do something), they'd spend those lives in the same Pink rut
that they're living in now! Hell, just shocking the shit out of them can
be more than beneficial (and it gives them something to talk about). The
interaction between people is what society IS, and drawing the line
between "interacting with" and "bothering" a certain person is wayyyyy
too judgmental a job for anyone to do...

: Control over one'sown actions is utmost. If ever I did anything
: stupid in my life, and said to myself that I should've known better, I
: just learn from the experience and don't do it again. I don't say, "well,
: society didn't teach me well enough." THAT'S personal responsibility.

Exactly...one should accept that they fucked up and take PRIDE in that
fuckup, because that's one thing that you'll never do again! Unless
you're pink...then you'll probably make the same fuckups over and over
again, and hate yourself for doing it each time.

: : So I guess you're saying that there are some deeds that all right-minded
: : people regard as wrong. For example, murder.

: No, more like banning masturbation in public schools. And making
: everybody work. And annoying me.

Masturbation's banned? Gee...I was a criminal at quite an early age...:-)

: The idea is to PROGRAM YOURSELF, or not. When you get tired of that,
: switch to another one.

Clearing the program and accepting the next series of instructions as
your new program can be kinda fun, too...as long as you've got some sort
of failsafe to re-clear the program if it's just too pathetic.

: Yes, we can all see you took Intro to Philosophy. Very good. You may now
: have a cookie.

I took Intro, too! Can I get a cookie, too, if I quote some stuff?

: : I say that no person can simultaneously
: : hold two conflicting notions in his mind at once. If he did,
: : he'd go mad. Not right away, but eventually.

: Maybe YOU would. 'Mad', perhaps, by the definition of them, is to be able
: to hold two conflicting notions in your head at once. This is a talent
: that "they" lack. Or many conflicting notions, for that matter. The trick
: is to just do it, and not to think about it too much. This is Slack, to
: just DO and BE.

Part of the yeti programming must've been the craving for unified order,
which is why the me-humes can only accept non-conflicting, simple
concepts. That helps to force the arrogant notion that a simple Pink
brain can grok the essense of the universe..."After all, it must just be
a simple, non-conflicting concept." Any concept that doesn't branch off
in at LEAST two conflicting directions isn't worth retaining.

: Goodness leads to admiration from the right people, whatever those words
: mean to you. 'Virtue' is an almost meaningless word. You need to read
: what Robert Anton Wilson has to say about meaningless language. If it
: can't be proven objectively, it's meaningless. Like "this object has this
: particular mass in this gravity", is meaningful, but "this object is bad"
: cannot be proven objectively, so is meaningless.

Of course, this also applies to "right" and "wrong", which is why the
whole discussion about "justifiable murder" is a waste of ASCII for both
sides...it's inherently meaningless.

: : : "Bob" doesn't do anything but let you FEEL OKAY about who you are
: : : and what you are. If feeling okay about yourself involves doing all kin
: : : of really STUPID stuff, or bettering yourself at others' expense, or
: : : sneering at everything but a tiny little und iscovered territory of you
: : : personal ultimate hipness, or just doing a TOTAL BRAIN DISCONNECT,
: : : well that's just who you are. You fall down and break your leg don't run
: : : crying to "Bob." You brought it on yourself. We warned you.

: This is the ultimate truth, and once you understand this, all will work
: out. If only more people got this on thier own. For the saddest thing
: about this truth is that it must be learned by experience; no matter how
: often it stares you RIGHT IN THE FACE, you still have to arrive at the
: conclusion on your own.

Amen.
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Meow!

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