Correspondent:: Cardinal Vertigo Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:19:03 GMT
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Israeli newspaper: CIA holding al Qaeda suspects in secret Jordanian prison
"Their detention outside the U.S. enables CIA interrogators to apply
interrogation methods that are banned by U.S. law, and to do so in a
country where cooperation with the Americans is particularly close,
thereby reducing the danger of leaks."
"The CIA's prisoners at the facility in Jordan include Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed, considered Al-Qaida's head of operations and number three in
the Al-Qaida hierarchy after Osama bin Laden and Aiman al-Zawahiri, who
have eluded capture."
Correspondent:: "Revi Shankar" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:16:41 -0400
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"Cardinal Vertigo" wrote in message
news:HHbbd.9067$Rf1.7149@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> Israeli newspaper: CIA holding al Qaeda suspects in secret Jordanian
prison
>
> "Their detention outside the U.S. enables CIA interrogators to apply
> interrogation methods that are banned by U.S. law, and to do so in a
> country where cooperation with the Americans is particularly close,
> thereby reducing the danger of leaks."
>
> "The CIA's prisoners at the facility in Jordan include Khalid Sheikh
> Mohammed, considered Al-Qaida's head of operations and number three in
> the Al-Qaida hierarchy after Osama bin Laden and Aiman al-Zawahiri, who
> have eluded capture."
>
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/488039.html
You shoulda heard Glen Beck rant about how torture for these people is ok,
because these people aren't truly human.
(have I heard that argument before?)
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:19:35 -0700
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:16:41 -0400, "Revi Shankar"
wrote:
>
>"Cardinal Vertigo" wrote in message
>news:HHbbd.9067$Rf1.7149@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>> Israeli newspaper: CIA holding al Qaeda suspects in secret Jordanian
>prison
>>
>> "Their detention outside the U.S. enables CIA interrogators to apply
>> interrogation methods that are banned by U.S. law, and to do so in a
>> country where cooperation with the Americans is particularly close,
>> thereby reducing the danger of leaks."
>>
>> "The CIA's prisoners at the facility in Jordan include Khalid Sheikh
>> Mohammed, considered Al-Qaida's head of operations and number three in
>> the Al-Qaida hierarchy after Osama bin Laden and Aiman al-Zawahiri, who
>> have eluded capture."
>>
>> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/488039.html
>
>You shoulda heard Glen Beck rant about how torture for these people is ok,
>because these people aren't truly human.
>
>(have I heard that argument before?)
>
>
>
Well Gooks ... no I mean Japs ... no I mean towelheads don't FEEL pain
the same way we do, so it's OK.
And they have NO respect for human life.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
you're ripped to the gills on government issued speed flying the best
fucking video game ever and who should enter your screen but a bunch of
FUCKING CANADIANS?
the only question seems to be which weapon do you use to kill them with?
Correspondent:: "Anachron" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:57:29 GMT
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"Revi Shankar" wrote in message
news:3tadnarrxqCJ_vDcRVn-hA@adelphia.com...
>
> "Cardinal Vertigo" wrote in message
> news:HHbbd.9067$Rf1.7149@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> > Israeli newspaper: CIA holding al Qaeda suspects in secret Jordanian
> prison
> >
> > "Their detention outside the U.S. enables CIA interrogators to apply
> > interrogation methods that are banned by U.S. law, and to do so in a
> > country where cooperation with the Americans is particularly close,
> > thereby reducing the danger of leaks."
> >
> > "The CIA's prisoners at the facility in Jordan include Khalid Sheikh
> > Mohammed, considered Al-Qaida's head of operations and number three in
> > the Al-Qaida hierarchy after Osama bin Laden and Aiman al-Zawahiri, who
> > have eluded capture."
> >
> > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/488039.html
>
> You shoulda heard Glen Beck rant about how torture for these people is ok,
> because these people aren't truly human.
>
> (have I heard that argument before?)
Anything the CIA can do is nothing compared with eternal damnation of hell
which is exactly where they are headed anyway. Why the fuss? God is all
about love ... until you cross him then look out he'll kick your ass. It's
all consistent when you view it through a good Xtian lens.
NPR did and interview this morning with George Lakoff who does a great job
of explaining why Liberals feel like we are living in a nation with aliens.
We are speaking a different language for one thing.
Correspondent:: König Prüß, GfbAEV
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:50:27 GMT
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Anachron wrote:
> "Revi Shankar" wrote in message
> news:3tadnarrxqCJ_vDcRVn-hA@adelphia.com...
> >
> > "Cardinal Vertigo" wrote in message
> > news:HHbbd.9067$Rf1.7149@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> > > Israeli newspaper: CIA holding al Qaeda suspects in secret Jordanian
> > prison
> > >
> > > "Their detention outside the U.S. enables CIA interrogators to apply
> > > interrogation methods that are banned by U.S. law, and to do so in a
> > > country where cooperation with the Americans is particularly close,
> > > thereby reducing the danger of leaks."
> > >
> > > "The CIA's prisoners at the facility in Jordan include Khalid Sheikh
> > > Mohammed, considered Al-Qaida's head of operations and number three in
> > > the Al-Qaida hierarchy after Osama bin Laden and Aiman al-Zawahiri, who
> > > have eluded capture."
> > >
> > > http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/488039.html
> >
> > You shoulda heard Glen Beck rant about how torture for these people is ok,
> > because these people aren't truly human.
> >
> > (have I heard that argument before?)
>
> Anything the CIA can do is nothing compared with eternal damnation of hell
> which is exactly where they are headed anyway. Why the fuss? God is all
> about love ... until you cross him then look out he'll kick your ass. It's
> all consistent when you view it through a good Xtian lens.
>
> NPR did and interview this morning with George Lakoff who does a great job
> of explaining why Liberals feel like we are living in a nation with aliens.
> We are speaking a different language for one thing.
>
> He's got a page on UC Berkeley with some of the ideas he discussed today:
> http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
>
> --
> Rev. Anachron
Good reference piece, thanks for posting it.
In school, I got to help a Spanish woman who
was do her PhD on linguists. Her project was
that she'd developed a political action verb
classification system of 34 types, and was
using a computer to analyze lexicostatistics
(word counts) and glottochronology (how words
change over time). Mostly all we were doing was
going through popular literature and news from
South America and entering the words with
classification numbers into the computer. But
yeah, there are some odd language variations.
Correspondent:: mshotz@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull)
Date: 14 Oct 2004 00:13:37 GMT
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>You shoulda heard Glen Beck rant about how torture for these people is ok,
>because these people aren't truly human.
>
>(have I heard that argument before?)
>
The 1996 GOP Convention?
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Correspondent:: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)
Date: 13 Oct 2004 19:17:36 -0700
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"Revi Shankar" wrote in message news:<3tadnarrxqCJ_vDcRVn-hA@adelphia.com>...
> "Cardinal Vertigo" wrote in message
> news:HHbbd.9067$Rf1.7149@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> You shoulda heard Glen Beck rant about how torture for these people is ok,
> because these people aren't truly human.
>
> (have I heard that argument before?)
I sure have heard it on THIS newsgroup. After all, the FAQ simply
says "FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!" That's one small problem with being a Yeti:
many people think that means they're supposed to run at you with a
Norelco and try to SHAVE you, which leads to the neck-stump-fucking
thing and a lot of Swiffering.
--
HellPope Huey
I'm drooling RIGHT NOW.
I have back problems because I have to sit at an odd angle
to accomodate my drool bucket as I type.
Just keep a towel handy and STAY HYDRATED, that's MY motto.
"Please don't leave me to my devices;
my devices left me here."
- Kevin Kerby of Mulehead
All phone calls are obscene.
- Karen Elizabeth Gordon
Correspondent:: "nu-monet v7.0" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:21:23 -0700
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Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>
> Israeli newspaper: CIA holding al Qaeda
> suspects in secret Jordanian prison
>
As I've been saying for a long time, Gitmo is just
a front to attract the attention of everyone who
wants to interfere. All the real stuff goes on in
facilities around the world. Diego Garcia is also
alleged to be a big one, and I'm sure there are
many more. One unknown location is called "The
Hotel California."
It also gets into the grey area of when is it a US
deal, and when is it somebody elses. They may own
it and let the CIA use it, or they might use it with
the CIA giving "assistance", or etc.
You really don't need much of an infrastructure to
set one up. It's a big world.
And then you have to parse the word "torture". The
original difference between torture and interrogation
was not means, but intent. Interrogation wanted
information. Torture was just for sadistic pleasure.
In this case, there is a huge encyclopedia of
"torture" that the US can use before delving into
physical pain. For example, to be controlled by a
woman, for some of these guys, is equal to having
their hand crushed with a hammer, as far as discomfort
goes. So would be eating pork.
Then there are any number of psychological tricks,
well before doing nasty stuff like sleep deprivation.
Some are "torture" by international convention, some
are "torture" by partial international non-binding
agreement, and some by consensus. What Amnesty Int'l
calls "torture", in its entirety, almost NO nation
agrees to.
Last but not least, there are new technologies that
cause no pain, but are terribly invasive. No
agreement exists as to whether they are torture or
not, yet, though many would find them intrusive.
--
Yah-hah, evil spider woman! I have captured you
by the short rabbits and can now deliver you
violently to your gynecologist for a thorough
extermination.
-- Hong Kong movie subtitle
Correspondent:: Zapanaz Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:28:59 -0700
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:21:23 -0700, "nu-monet v7.0"
wrote:
>Cardinal Vertigo wrote:
>>
>> Israeli newspaper: CIA holding al Qaeda
>> suspects in secret Jordanian prison
>>
>
>As I've been saying for a long time, Gitmo is just
>a front to attract the attention of everyone who
>wants to interfere. All the real stuff goes on in
>facilities around the world. Diego Garcia is also
>alleged to be a big one, and I'm sure there are
>many more. One unknown location is called "The
>Hotel California."
>
>It also gets into the grey area of when is it a US
>deal, and when is it somebody elses. They may own
>it and let the CIA use it, or they might use it with
>the CIA giving "assistance", or etc.
>
>You really don't need much of an infrastructure to
>set one up. It's a big world.
>
>And then you have to parse the word "torture". The
>original difference between torture and interrogation
>was not means, but intent. Interrogation wanted
>information. Torture was just for sadistic pleasure.
>
>In this case, there is a huge encyclopedia of
>"torture" that the US can use before delving into
>physical pain. For example, to be controlled by a
>woman, for some of these guys, is equal to having
>their hand crushed with a hammer, as far as discomfort
>goes. So would be eating pork.
>
>Then there are any number of psychological tricks,
>well before doing nasty stuff like sleep deprivation.
>Some are "torture" by international convention, some
>are "torture" by partial international non-binding
>agreement, and some by consensus. What Amnesty Int'l
>calls "torture", in its entirety, almost NO nation
>agrees to.
>
>Last but not least, there are new technologies that
>cause no pain, but are terribly invasive. No
>agreement exists as to whether they are torture or
>not, yet, though many would find them intrusive.
Well I don't want to hear anybody say they're surprised. I will make
you all put your heads down on your desks if I do.
They were very clear in the wake of 9/11 that they needed to be free
to pursue "other means" which had been denied them previously in the
pursuit of terrorists, and everybody said "YEAH OK OK WE JUST DON'T
WANNA HEAR THE GORY DETAILS, OK?"
Nobody raised much of a hue and cry about it then. Largely because,
in the next breath, they started talking about suspending civil
liberties. The thought that -they- could have the FBI snooping
through their porn stash is more disturbing for most Americans than
that some vaguely defined wog terrorist might get his nuts bitten off
by a gaurd dog for laughs.
Partly too though; if you want to make people forget something, just
tell them during a moment of stress. When people get mugged, for
instance, it's fairly common for them to amnesia the whole experience
away.
When the devil wants you to sign on the dotted line, he waits till
you're at the end of your rope. That's how you can tell the
difference between "Bob" and the devil (often a hazy distinction).
When "Bob" wants you to sign on the dotted line, he just shows you
some tits.
--
Zapanaz
International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"I'm from Venus. Can you spare a lemon?"
"Angela Bassett-Hound" wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:16:35 GMT, "Rev. 11D Ricardo MadGello"
>> wroted:
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/
>>
>> http://www.poynter.org/forum/default.asp?id=32365
>>
>
> Lol!
>
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> I leave when I have a very good hard-on for JEEZUSSSS
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