Hope for the human race

From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 2, 2003 1:30 AM

You know I used to ultimately be guardedly optimistic about the human
race.

I used to think "yes, most people are ignorant, and we as a species do
a lot of stupid things", but that ultimately people were capable of
reason, that good enough ideas, expressed well, would slowly turn the
tides and that good sense and the better idea would slowly win out,
and we would tend to improve, however slowly.

Usenet cured me of that.

I understand now that people can, and usually will, embrace whatever
ideas they emotionally prefer and are more than capable of talking
themselves into a complete line of bullshit.

Human beings are all able to rationalize, to come up with
rational-sounding reasons to justify the things they want to believe,
even if those reasons are largely flawed, and even if those flaws are
readily apparent.

If you've seen really unbalanced people, you know what it looks like.
That guy Rlan on this newsgroup was a good example; with his whole
theory of the "111 experience". There's obviously something
inherently irrational about it, but somehow he can go on, hour after
hour, thousands after thousands of lines of usenet posts, coming up
with his reasoning for why it really makes sense after all. I
remember once I asked him what the POINT of it all was. He said I
should look up the soap opera newsgroup he read, Days of our Lives I
think. So I did. And he was on there talking about how horrible some
actress's nose job looked. Hoo hah.

As long as he can keep the hammer from coming down. As long as he can
think up one new spin to deal with every argument. As long as he can
cast one more thread, delay rational thought long enough to follow
that thread. And another, and another.

It doesn't matter if the new thread is even more stupid than the last
one. As long as he can come up with SOMETHING, then he can satisfy
himself that his house of cards hasn't been undermined yet. He can
hold on to his cherished delusion. It doesn't matter how transparent
the stupidity of it is. As long as he can KEEP HIS MOUTH MOVING, his
BRANE won't have time to NOTICE.

Or even better, look at Bob Dean. A pointless, talentless moron, yet
he obviously must think he's proving something, or he wouldn't go on.
But he isn't even as intelligent as Rlan, he can't even come up with a
"thread" of obfuscation. He just jerks, spits up something even
stupider than before.

As long as he can keep his MOUTH MOVING, he doesn't have to reflect
how completely feckless and hollow he is.

We all rationalize, it's human nature. Learning not to do so, not to
embrace delusion, takes a lot of effort. You've seen people who
aren't deranged do it, if you ever knew a couple who got divorced, and
talked to both of them separately, you know that the divorce was
absolutely, 100% THE OTHER ONE'S fault. Both of them present a reason
which is completely self-contained why it was the other one's fault.
But you also know AT LEAST ONE OF THEM is not seeing reality.

But from watching usenet I'm starting to realize that that's what most
people do, all of the time.

I can still find people who believe that there is good reason to
believe there are WMD in Iraq. No amount of argument will sway them
in their belief. They will spin a new counter-argument for every
argument. Just like Rlan and Bob Dean, they will go on forever.

Looked at casually, from the outside, it even -sounds- rational. Just
like, if you read just the one Rlan post casually without closely
following the conversation, you might think that he -has- presented a
final "solution" to his 111 mystery, and has been kind enough to point
me to the Days of our Lives newsgroup where I can see it for myself.
If you don't really follow the whole thing, you might never know
better. The only thing that makes Rlan more transparently deluded
than most people is that his particular delusion just -sounds- more
dumb than most people's.

But likewise, if you don't follow the argument of the person trying to
justify WMD in Iraq very closely, if you just look casually at the
surface points, it will very likely LOOK LIKE they are making sense.
If you look more closely though, you realize it all falls apart, you
realize that it has fallen apart several times, but they just keep
churning it out.

I know it sounds arrogant, and self-deluded in it's own right, for me
to say I am a better logical thinker than most people. I know it's
true though, I have had the chance to compare my logical abilities to
other people often enough. I program computers, so thinking in very
large complicated logical structures is a survival skill for me. I
know from work experience I can do it much better than most people.

So it's very easy for me to see the point where logic ends and
self-delusion turns on the churn machine.

In the end, that's the world we live in. Things get stupid, stay
stupid, and then get even stupider because most people are influenced
mostly by their own bullshit, and will never change their line of
bullshit.

I know. This wasn't funny. I am just sick of and disgusted with
people. I don't have any witty or shocking subgenius punchline to end
it with. Fuck people, most of them deserve to die.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

"Oh, you are SO BANISHED!"
- Ned Flanders as God

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From: "Ankara" <uh-huh@somewhere.com>

Date: Thu, Oct 2, 2003

or you could just remember that you got free tickets to this freak show
no matter how bad it gets, is it worse than getting nothing? not existing?
knowing that I would just sit back and enjoy...or if being mad about it
is enjoyment for you , then keep doing that...but no one should ever be
distressed about what they got for nothing...even if it sucks sometimes..

Ankara

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From: Two Beans <twobeans@godhatesyou.com>

Joe Cosby wrote:

"Fuck people, most of them deserve to die."

I think that sounds like a good enough Subgenius punchline to say if
ever there was one.

--
2B
http://www.eyeofthewarp.com/twobeans
http://www.walkingdead.net/~twobeans

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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>

Joe Cosby wrote:

> You know I used to ultimately be guardedly optimistic about the human
> race.
>
> I used to think "yes, most people are ignorant, and we as a species do
> a lot of stupid things", but that ultimately people were capable of
> reason, that good enough ideas, expressed well, would slowly turn the
> tides and that good sense and the better idea would slowly win out,
> and we would tend to improve, however slowly.
>
> Usenet cured me of that.

at least it keeps them off the street.

pb

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Subject: Re: Hope for the human race
From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>
Newsgroups: alt.slack
Date: Thu, Oct 2, 2003 5:21 AM
Message-ID: <021020030221230774%bear@pole.com>

In article <07cnnv4a19b547nf6pchj0ci0g911spo5a@4ax.com>, Joe Cosby
<joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:

snip

> Fuck people, most of them deserve to die.

Most of them will

pb

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From: Jarto <spam@thisaccount.com>

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:21:23 -0700, polar bear <bear@pole.com>
wrote:

Joe Cosby wrote:
>> Fuck people, most of them deserve to die.

polar bear wrote:
>Most of them will

No one gets out of life alive.

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From: jlwn42@att.net (Horror Show)

Joe Cosby wrote:
> If you've seen really unbalanced people, you know what it looks like.
> That guy Rlan on this newsgroup was a good example; with his whole
> theory of the "111 experience".

UGH! Not again!

> There's obviously something inherently irrational about it
>

And you would know this HOW?

> I remember once I asked him what the POINT of it all was. He said I
> should look up the soap opera newsgroup he read, Days of our Lives I
> think.
>

That's BULLSHIT. I tell people to read the write-up. Start here, at
the portal: http://jlwn111.home.att.net --- there are several ways to
access the write-up from there.

> And he was on there talking about how horrible some
> actress's nose job looked.
>

No, I was talking about FAKE LIPS. About how some LOATHSOME
MONSTER-type got her lips all puffed up and then pretended that the
lips were natural. LIAR!!! What's worse than a LOATHSOME MONSTER? One
that tells fibs... kinda like you, Joe.

> As long as he can keep the hammer from coming down. As long as he can
> think up one new spin to deal with every argument. As long as he can
> cast one more thread, delay rational thought long enough to follow
> that thread. And another, and another.
>

Ummmmm... no. Sorry, nope. You're just not paying attention there,
simple one. I have a standard reply for folks like you. Here we go
again! YOU ASS!

Perhaps providing some additional personal background will help to
clear the SHIT from your eyes? First of all, I have an MS (that's a
Master of Science - not of Art, or of Wishful Thinking - OF SCIENCE!)
from a prestigious institute of higher learning in the Northeastern
US. I went there as an undergraduate as well. It's all in my write-up
if you want or need additional details (you know, the write-up you
choose to MOCK? The one you've never really taken the time
to read? You know, THAT write-up?).

My DAY JOB? I'm a Systems Analyst and IT Project Manager for one of
the biggest companies on Planet Earth. My skills: XML-savvy (both
XLANG and WSFL), data integration (Ab Initio) & EAI (Vitria), CRM
(Siebel 7.5, PeopleSoft 8.0, MS-CRM 1.0), systems life-cycle
management (Remedy and Rational Rose), Knowledge Management and
Natural Language Query (NativeMinds and AskMe), Text-To-Speech
(TellMe, Nuance), and ALL THINGS 802.11x. This activity brings in
about around 100-115K per year (depends on bonus amount). I also make
money by periodically selling off small parts of my extensive
collection of Misprinted Stamps, Rare Paper Currency, Newsprint (prior
to 1930), Mad Magazines, National Lampoon Magazines, Wacky Packages,
Ugly Stickers, Star Wars Cards, Garbage Pail Kids Cards, Pre-1970 TV
Guides, Pre-1970 Time Magazines, 8-Track Tapes, 33/45/78 RPM
Phonograph Records, Collectible Glasses, and many other Sci-Fi and
RETRO items. The most I've ever made from this activity: around 11K in
a given year. I also inherited quite a bit of money from my
grandparents (and several other rich relatives!). Not that the money
part really means anything (to me at least) but you all seem to be
struggling so much (I would guess financially as well), trying to EEK
out an existence... trying so desperately to prove yourselves... and
failing so miserably... so I just thought I would throw it in for good
measure...

And you must know (wait, you don't know, you've never read the
write-up) that it's been a REALLY long time since the act of
simply seeing the number "111" really meant anything to me (at all). I
make that statement for the benefit of any one of you creeps (or
anyone you forward this to) who thinks that I'm just some guy who
simply sees the number 111 all over the place. I'm not that guy. No,
I'm not. I haven't been - for a VERY long time. If you take the time
to read through the entire write-up and you see the progression of
events, it is very clear that I did not go looking for 111. It found
me. And it found me through a bizarre series of coincidences that
actually began when I was THREE. The real question is this: where did
my initial early 1980's experience with simply seeing 111 lead me?
Well, it led me smack dab into the position of CLEARING HOUSE, ELDER
SPOKESPERSON, SCRIBE, and RECORD KEEPER for not only people seeing
111, but for all people who have connected into a special number
pattern. It also led me to Crowley and it led me to the Qabala. Ever
heard of the Qabala? LOOK INTO IT. But through it all, I think I have
kept a balance that has eluded others. I have refrained from crowning
myself as The Leader of anyone (or anything). "the 111 experience" is
not a MOVEMENT or a CULT or a GROUP. It is simply my story. As a
colleague and coworker of mine said recently "it is a divine yet not
completely understood gift." That really sums it up. I really do see
it as a gift. And, as the years go by, I have been going out on a limb
and sharing it with more and more people. In fact, I put it out there
for the whole world to see. Because it is The Truth. And it is Real.

Don't get me wrong - I still think 111 is cool. WAY COOL. The fact
that it's the binary representation of SEVEN is VERY COOL. But that's
not ALL it is (as your oversimplified and nearly slanderous post
attempts to state). The fact that it uniquely symbolizes All Trinities
in a way that dazzles us with its simplicity is EVEN COOLER. It's not
just Unity; it's Tri-unity - an encoded symbol for nearly ANY Trinity.
I recognize the fact that the 1 means "ON" in the binary language of
computers. So I see how 111 is very similar to ON-ON-ON (One-One-One?
Get it?). The fact that we see Trinities and SEVEN cropping up across
the Qabala , Eastern and Western Mystical Traditions, and the mainline
Religious persuasions all across the globe is undeniable.

And this may interest you too (he said sarcastically). I acquired a
copy of "Sefer Yetzirah - The Book of Creation" from a local bookstore
here in Lawrence. I learned that this was perhaps the most ancient of
all the Qabalistic texts. It was reportedly written by Abraham
thousands of years before Christ and seemed to have provided the
foundation for almost every Western Mystery School tradition that ever
was. Some of what I found:

There are "32 mystical paths of Wisdom" ;

The Universe was created "with Three Books, with text, with number,
and with communication" ;

There are "22 Foundation Letters: Three Mothers, Seven Doubles, and
Twelve Elementals" ;

"Twenty-Two foundation Letters: He placed them in a circle like a wall
with 231 Gates" ;

Numerous statements about the Three Mothers (the Hebrew letters Aleph,
Mem, and Shin);

"Three: Water From Breath.";

"Seven: Three opposite Three and one is the rule deciding between
them...";

Many more references to Seven;

"...One on Three, Three on Seven, Seven on Twelve, All are bound, one
to another."

Listen, if I thought for a minute that your barbs were just some sort
of lighthearted jab, I would be taking a different approach. But the
truth is --- YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. I'm smarter than you! GET IT???!!!
I'm wealthier than you! GET IT???!!! And I just don't fit into ANY of
your pre-existing "boxes" - I never have!!!

Getting back to your comments, Joe:

> I know this wasn't funny. I am just sick of and disgusted with
> people. I don't have any witty or shocking subgenius punchline to end
> it with. Fuck people, most of them deserve to die.
>

FINALLY! SOMETHING I AGREE WITH! Say JOE, can we start with YOU?

But guess what, Joe? There's still time to heal old wounds! I mean, I
AM a nice guy, right? I mean, right? I still haven't given up on The
Healing, Joe.

Not just yet...

Sincerely,
HORROR "I'm the bad guy? How'd that happen?" SHOW
"Appearing Monthly in NJ, KS, DC, and Washington Square Park, NYC"
http://www.stulldemon.com
http://www.stulldemon.org
http://www.stulldemon.net

"All my life I've awaited your coming and dreaded it."

"I knew soon."

"Now you listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the
fact is I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence.
I pride myself on taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because
I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My
concerns are global. I reject absolutely pride, aggression, and
retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love."

"That such truths may seem trivial I am well aware."

"Show him My Children, show him the Pretty Marks."

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

As you were saying, Joe?

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

I remember this comic book I read where this guy is dreaming, in the
dream he is at a party and when he walks up to someone the other guy
says "now you see this FOOL is a PERFECT example of what I was talking
about!"

--
Joe Cosby

The WHITE zone is for loading and unloading only. Do not unload in the RED zone.

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From: rabbs@subgenius.com (Rabbi Jacklyn Hyde)

J'lahn wrote:
>snipped

Rats, and your posts were starting to get extremely readable lately.
Maybe it's the fact that I'm terrible with math, but I'm LOST trying
to follow this. Ah well...

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

I got straight a's through diffy Q and I'm lost trying to follow it.

--
Joe Cosby

"The revolution will not be televised"
- Gil Scott Heron

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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
> You know I used to ultimately be guardedly optimistic about the human
> race. I used to think "yes, most people are ignorant, and we as a species
> do a lot of stupid things", but that ultimately people were capable of
> reason, that good enough ideas, expressed well, would slowly turn the
> tides and that good sense and the better idea would slowly win out,
> and we would tend to improve, however slowly.

> > Usenet cured me of that.

The Church cured me of that just before Usenet did, EEIIEIEIEI!!!

> Or even better, look at Bob Dean.

I don't wanna, I just had sausage and a Frosty, lunch of champions.

> We all rationalize, it's human nature. Learning not to do so, not to
> embrace delusion, takes a lot of effort. You've seen people who
> aren't deranged do it, if you ever knew a couple who got divorced, and
> talked to both of them separately, you know that the divorce was
> absolutely, 100% THE OTHER ONE'S fault. Both of them present a reason
> which is completely self-contained why it was the other one's fault.
> But you also know AT LEAST ONE OF THEM is not seeing reality.

Feh, I left my ex after 12 years because *I* am a YETI and SHE is a
*VICTORIAN*, a match made in Hoboken, but the things I loved about her
initially are basically still there. I do the lawn for her, give her a
little money and she even loaned me her car to go on a date with
another woman, without my asking for that! She's worth it and we are
still FAMILY. I understand how some people end up driving each other
nuts, but neither my ex nor I assume that we have no mutual
culpability in the collapse of the deal as a live-in thing. By being
logical, honest about our flaws and fair, we remain friends to mutual
benefit. Boy, is THAT a rare thing. NORMALS *DO* SUCK.

> Just like Rlan and Bob Dean, they will go on forever.

Unless we beat the crap out of them with sticks and leave them with
hooks in place of hands. Aw, they'd just buy those mic rigs that
narrate text into the damned computer and post on and on.

> if you just look casually at the
> surface points, it will very likely LOOK LIKE they are making sense.
> If you look more closely though, you realize it all falls apart, you
> realize that it has fallen apart several times, but they just keep
> churning it out.

Just like Stang. However, as he is an HONEST fraud. The dynamic is
wholly different and thus I can put double Dobbs stickers on my car
and feel like a JUSTIFIED, MAGNIFICENT damned fool instead of a
pathetic one.

> I know it sounds arrogant, and self-deluded in it's own right, for me
> to say I am a better logical thinker than most people. I know it's
> true though, I have had the chance to compare my logical abilities to
> other people often enough. I program computers, so thinking in very
> large complicated logical structures is a survival skill for me. I
> know from work experience I can do it much better than most people.
> So it's very easy for me to see the point where logic ends and
> self-delusion turns on the churn machine.

So loan me $300 for an E-Mu Planet Earth synth module so I can
create some nice dance music. I'll give you my personal note for 90
days. If the note isn't paid by then, you can keep the note.

> In the end, that's the world we live in. Things get stupid, stay
> stupid, and then get even stupider because most people are influenced
> mostly by their own bullshit, and will never change their line of
> bullshit.

Joe, there's no such word as "stupider." You've caught the BUG!
Besides, I rather LIKE my own bullshit. I suppose its easy to live
with because as I ADMIT to its high fecal content, I am not its BITCH
and can thus ENJOY it more.

> I know. This wasn't funny.

Oh, I liked parts of it. I shit a ragdoll during that j'lame & dean
part. They're so offensive, almost any pointing out of their lameness
makes me snigger a bit.

> I am just sick of and disgusted with
> people. I don't have any witty or shocking subgenius punchline to end
> it with. Fuck people, most of them deserve to die.

I AGREE WITH THIS POST. Now what? Hey, I'd be disgusted with you if
you WEREN'T disgusted. i know *I* am. Just don't lapse into NENSLISM.
ONE is ENOUGH. YOU are one of the reasons *I* still come here. Its not
enough to shock the rank & file doofwads; you really NEED someone on
your level to stand in the wings, cover their mouths and go
SNNGHHSHSHSHS!!! in contemptuous hilarity when you get a big verbal
C-clamp on some asswipe's nipple. I rarely hear jack shit in response
to much of ANYTHING I write, even in a local rag with a circulation of
50,000. Arkies hardly say shit unless you stomp on their instep and
THEN they mostly say "ayuh." So a vital underpinning of your presence
here is to UNDERWRITE HUEY. Remember, TWO raspberries fling a LOT more
fluid than just ONE. The Lord has NEED of you, so SPIT, Joe, SPIT!
Perform the SPPFFTFTFBLFBSalute! SBBFTHFHFTHTHFPTHFHF!!!

--

HellPope Huey
Oh, I got plenty o' nuttin'...damnit

"The strangest thing is that he asked no questions
when the doctor started preparations in the area."
- Vanessa Guimares, manager at a clinic in Brazil,
where a patient entered for an earache,
but ended up having a vasectomy performed in error

"Understanding is a 3-edged sword."
- Ambassador Kosh

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>

Joe Cosby wrote:
>
> Fuck people, most of them deserve to die.
>

And we all shall.

There is nothing, NO, NOTHING, more disillusioning than enlightenment.

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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

Then you are the most disillusioned mofo in the group. Poor Nenslo! I
don't have any hope for the RACE, that would be STOOPID, but I have
some small hope for ME because *I* am ineluctably wondrous, not to
mention freshly showered. No, not by IDMRSR's faulty toilet. SHUT UP

--
HellPope Huey

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>

> nenslo wrote:
> > > There is nothing, NO, NOTHING, more disillusioning than enlightenment.

HellPopeHuey wrote:
> Then you are the most disillusioned mofo in the group.

Exactly.

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From: "iDRMRSR" <idrmrsr@subgenius.com>

>>Fuck people, most of them deserve to die.

Can I have their cars?

[*]
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From: jlwn42@att.net (Horror Show)

"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:

> As you were saying, Joe?
>

Yes, as he was saying (that he tends to generalize and oversimplify
when confronted with people, places, and things that confuse his tiny
little brain). At least that's what he _appeared_ to be saying.

And you, Doug? Your wise-crackin' insolence is barely tolerable. Your
"stalking" claims are just a sign of an over-inflated sense of
self-worth, delusions of grandeur, etc. (but, and this would be hard
to prove, I'm thinking it may also be a sign of mild mental
retardation brought about by your decades-long abuse of FROP and other
illicit substances).

But guess what, Doug? There's still time to heal old wounds! I mean, I
AM a nice guy, right? I mean, right? Let's put it this way: you don't
really know for certain that I'm NOT. I still haven't given up on The
Healing, Doug.

Not just yet, Doug, not just yet...

Sincerely,
HORROR "I'm the bad guy? How'd that happen?" SHOW

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From: jlwn42@att.net (Horror Show)

Joe Cosby wrote:
> I remember this comic book I read where this guy is dreaming, in the
> dream he is at a party and when he walks up to someone the other guy
> says "now you see this FOOL is a PERFECT example of what I was talking
> about!"
>

Dreams (even if they are only comic book dreams) can tell us a lot
about ourselves, Joe. What do YOU think it means? And why did it stick
in YOUR TINY LITTLE HEAD all these years? What did it mean to YOU?

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From: jlwn42@att.net (Horror Show)

Joe Cosby wrote:
> I got straight a's through diffy Q and I'm lost trying to follow it.
>

OK, here's a chance to PARTIALLY redeem yourself. A little three
question pop quiz. I'll keep it really, really basic. Define the
following and give an example (an example FROM NATURE) ---

1) ODE
2) PDE
3) DDE

You have 5 minutes. Bonus points if you finish in 3. Go!

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

Word salad out of a bent mind, and you've already provided the example
from nature.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

"The secret to life is honesty and fair dealing.
If you can fake that, you've got it made."
-Saint Groucho Marx

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From: jlwn111@att.net (I AM J'lahn.)

WORD SALAD? It's a tiny little three question POP QUIZ on the most
basic, fundamental, FOUNDATIONAL CONCEPTS of Differential Equations
and you call it WORD SALAD?!

YOU DON'T KNOW JACK, JOE!

As I had suspected all along. But hey, guess what? I'm there for you
if you need a tutor, Joe. $135/hour is my fee. But for you? I can do
110. Just let me know... or you can try the quiz again:

Define the following and give an example (an example FROM NATURE) ---

1) ODE
2) PDE
3) DDE

You have 5 minutes. Bonus points if you finish in 3. Go!

Guess what, Joe? There's still time to heal old wounds! I mean, I
AM a nice guy, right? I mean, right? I still haven't given up on The
Healing, Joe.

Not just yet...

Sincerely,
HORROR "I'm the bad guy? How'd that happen?" SHOW

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From: jlwn42@att.net (Horror Show)

rabbs@subgenius.com (Rabbi Jacklyn Hyde) wrote:
> Maybe it's the fact that I'm terrible with math, but I'm LOST trying
> to follow this. Ah well...
>

MATH?! What MATH? There's no MATH here:

There are "32 mystical paths of Wisdom" ;

The Universe was created "with Three Books, with text, with number,
and with communication" ;

There are "22 Foundation Letters: Three Mothers, Seven Doubles, and
Twelve Elementals" ;

"Twenty-Two foundation Letters: He placed them in a circle like a wall
with 231 Gates" ;

"Three: Water From Breath.";

"Seven: Three opposite Three and one is the rule deciding between
them...";

"...One on Three, Three on Seven, Seven on Twelve, All are bound, one
to another."

Sure, I see some numbers. But it ain't MATH...

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From: prostata@bronze.coil.com (The Stinking Bishop Prostata Cantata MP)

Rabbi Jacklyn Hyde <rabbs@subgenius.com> wrote:
>Okay, I'm terrible with numerology / Gematria / bible code / binary code.

Naw... You're just waaay too smart to fall for Jelly-yawn's bullshit.

Cheers!

--
ItisbycaffinealonethatIsetmymindinmotion.
Thebeansbecomegrounds thegroundsbecomeespresso theespressoiscaffine
ItisbycaffinealonethatIsetmymindinmotion.

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From: polar bear <bear@pole.com>

One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them

pb

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

jlwn42@att.net (Horror Show) wrote:
>Dreams (even if they are only comic book dreams) can tell us a lot
>about ourselves, Joe. What do YOU think it means? And why did it stick
>in YOUR TINY LITTLE HEAD all these years? What did it mean to YOU?

I think it means that you and Bill Palmer should get together and
spend long intriguing hours digging great cosmic meaning out of comic
books.

You two would be a great pair. And if you're standing close together
I could get you both with one shotgun blast, thus saving money.

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

"The secret to life is honesty and fair dealing.
If you can fake that, you've got it made."
-Saint Groucho Marx

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From: "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com>

Bill Palmer? No, man, that guy's just another irritating nerd, not more
than a few steps down from especially corny SubGenii and actually a
little BETTER than most normal drunks. What J'lahn needs is a fellow
angry Numerologist New Ager who also equates the deepest Pinkness with
lofty intelligence, minor coincidence with magic, prissiness with
Slack, and is convinced, partly by the derisive laughter of those who
encounter his wisdom on the Internet, that +/-He +/-Is +/-The +/-One.

But... jeepers, wherever could such a person be found?

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

what, you mean me?

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

0x29A - opcode of the beast!

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From: hellpopehuey@subgenius.com (HellPopeHuey)

He IS The One; The One who made IDMRSR's toilet turn into an Old
Faithful of feces. "Bob" is the house, Meow is the toilet, Nenslo is
the brush, J'lame is the assassin of plumbing and Bob Dean is the
turd. This is your brain on Usenet. Any questions?

--

HellPope Huey
I like food. It goes down way better than gravel or resentment.

In the land of the REACTIONARY WOULD-BE FASCIST,
anyone who can think straight had better play dumb.
- Nenslo

"This show is run completely by Keebler elves."
- Jon Stewart

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From: nenslo <nenslo@yahooX.com>

Horror Show wrote:
> MATH?! What MATH? There's no MATH here:
>
> There are "32 mystical paths of Wisdom" ;
>
> The Universe was created "with Three Books, with text, with number,
> and with communication" ;
>
> There are "22 Foundation Letters: Three Mothers, Seven Doubles, and
> Twelve Elementals" ;
>
> "Twenty-Two foundation Letters: He placed them in a circle like a wall
> with 231 Gates" ;
>
> "Three: Water From Breath.";
>
> "Seven: Three opposite Three and one is the rule deciding between
> them...";
>
> "...One on Three, Three on Seven, Seven on Twelve, All are bound, one
> to another."
>
> Sure, I see some numbers. But it ain't MATH...

Back when I was doing my Heavy Research, closing in on that little
itch in the back of my brain, I started stumbling across these eastern
mystical texts about the "perfection of wisdom," like The Perfection
of Wisdom in a Thousand Verses, The Perfection of Wisdom in a Hundred
Verses, The Perfection of Wisdom in a Hundred Letters, and one day I
found The Perfection of Wisdom in a Single Letter. And I said well I
give up. And then I understood.

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From: dave <dave@i-one.at>

O!

std::

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From: "Paul E. Jamison" <pauljmsn@infionline.net>

> "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com> wrote:
> What J'lahn needs is a fellow
> > angry Numerologist New Ager who also equates the deepest Pinkness with
> > lofty intelligence, minor coincidence with magic, prissiness with
> > Slack, and is convinced, partly by the derisive laughter of those who
> > encounter his wisdom on the Internet, that +/-He +/-Is +/-The +/-One.

HellPopeHuey wrote:
> He IS The One; The One who made IDMRSR's toilet turn into an Old
> Faithful of feces. "Bob" is the house, Meow is the toilet, Nenslo is
> the brush, J'lame is the assassin of plumbing and Bob Dean is the
> turd. This is your brain on Usenet. Any questions?
>

Will, yeah. Where does Bill Palmer (RATFUCKER RACIST PEDOPHILE)
fit inot this?

Paul E. Jamison

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

8840 & 8841

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

"The rules are the only thing that matters, dumb boy."
[Martijn Benders, 28 August 2001]

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

"Paul E. Jamison" <pauljmsn@infionline.net> wrote:

>HellPopeHuey wrote:
>
>
>> "Rev. Ivan Stang" <stang@subgenius.com> wrote in message news:<031020031122491249%stang@subgenius.com>...
>>
>> What J'lahn needs is a fellow
>> > angry Numerologist New Ager who also equates the deepest Pinkness with
>> > lofty intelligence, minor coincidence with magic, prissiness with
>> > Slack, and is convinced, partly by the derisive laughter of those who
>> > encounter his wisdom on the Internet, that +/-He +/-Is +/-The +/-One.
>>
>> He IS The One; The One who made IDMRSR's toilet turn into an Old
>> Faithful of feces. "Bob" is the house, Meow is the toilet, Nenslo is
>> the brush, J'lame is the assassin of plumbing and Bob Dean is the
>> turd. This is your brain on Usenet. Any questions?
>>
>
>Will, yeah. Where does Bill Palmer (RATFUCKER RACIST PEDOPHILE)
>fit into this?
>
>Paul E. Jamison

8842 & 8843

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

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From: Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>

Joe Cosby <joecosby@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:

>>1) ODE
>>2) PDE
>>3) DDE
>>
>>You have 5 minutes. Bonus points if you finish in 3. Go!
>
>Word salad out of a bent mind, and you've already provided the example
>from nature.

No wait, I've got it! It's the codes for the CRM-114!

Is that you, General Ripper?

--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com

Keep the books, Burn the censors

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From: "Blackout" <blackout@mrsnoidsubgenius.com>

"I AM J'lahn." wrote

> Define the following and give an example (an example FROM NATURE) ---
>
> 1) ODE
> 2) PDE
> 3) DDE
>
> You have 5 minutes. Bonus points if you finish in 3. Go!

it means you want to EAT HIS SHIT so bad your stomach hurts


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